Is this thread serious? I can't imagine someone Googling my name just to come across me complaining about a hot dog.
I'm always amazed how a thread filled with people bragging about playing the world's greatest golf courses by the dozen (or 25) can sit right next to a thread so petty as this.
For the last few years we've read/hoped that Streamsong would be a bastion of hope for Florida golf and here we have people swearing off visiting b/c of the price of a hotdog. I've now seen it all on this website.
Serious? Did you read the opening post? Actually, I don't believe anyone has yet answered the only semi-serious question: is 12 bucks the most you've ever paid for a dog on a golf course.
There are nearly 250 threads on this site in which Streamsong has been mentioned, either directly or indirectly, and in those threads there have been many serious questions asked about much more important aspects of the courses, green fees, caddies fees, etc..
There were also serious articles from off this site, some even questioning the business savvy of plunking golf courses down in the semi-wastelands of central Florida.
The golf courses have been thriving, all the reviews peg them as first rate gems, and the tee sheet doesn't seem to have any holes in it. Streamsong has already knocked it out of the ballpark and Florida's reputation has improved, even Matt Ward thinks so.
Anyone who is serious about playing top notch golf is not going to let the price of a hot dog keep them away.
Not true. With all due respect you are wrong. They might not let the price of a hot dog keep them away for the first visit, but it may deter repeat visits. Because we are not talking just about $12 here. What about couples, or father son or whatever. And most people will eat a helluva lot more than one hot dog. So when it is all added up, you have a pretty hefty lunch bill, that one will not forget and maybe leave a bad taste in one's mouth.
The second problem with these expensive add- ons, including food, is that the high cost is being used to pay for not only the golf , but lavish facilities. Golf is silly in a way, because what suurrounds the playing field is often more expensive than the playing field. I have been in clubhouses over the years, my jaw has dropped. Who really wants all this? How many clubs have closed because they could not service the debt on all this crap. So, when we see ridiculous food prices, we are really helping to pay for a lot of non-golf related crap we don't care about. My focus is the playing field, that is the only reason I come. Not to stay in a fancy room, or drink vintage wines, and have folks pampering me at every turn. I don't mind paying for the golf, but I do mind paying for all the extravegance that goes on around the golf course. I contend that the average golfer that plays high end facilities does not does not want or demand luxury for this. We do not demand pampering and fancy, most of us are quite happy with functional and comfortable and nice and clean, yet the industry thinks we need things at such a high level and we will always be willing to pay for it. That is why resorts are closing, private clubs are being repossesed and shut down, because of debt service on non-golf related crap. I know of more than one club that had great dining and adequate clubhouses, that just had to upgrade, the results were not good. And if you do have the funds to upgrade, is now the time to do it?. When times are so uncertain? Any astute business person would put this on the burner, because cash on hand is king now, and cash flow is the queen.
Any resort or club that makes the false assumption that the consumer does not weigh value does not know their customer. To be so ignorant of economic reality is mind blowing. When times were better, and we were all getting bonuses, and our jobs were never in danger, and our kids were guaranteed jobs when graduating, and health insurance was affordable, well we did not mind getting nickle and dimed to dealth. I say the consumer does mind now, and will factor that to a point with initial visits, it will definately factor in with return visits, and recommendation to others about whether or not to visit. If someone asked me what I thought about a given resort, would I not be honest in telling them about add-ons like food and forecaddies. Forr many, where funds are limited, these add ons might be the kicker , where someone would go elsewhere, if not out of financial necessity, but maybe also out of principle, who actually enjoys knowing they are getting ripped off.
My best travel related memories of golf are the UK. These folks got it right. Yea, they have a few mega resorts, but not many. I remember quaint B&B's and dormie houses and lodges all over England, Scotland, and Ireland, not fancy, but a warm shower and a comfortable bed. . I remember the owners greeting me after a round of golf, asking me about my rounds, and offering me a refreshement or snack. I remember sitting around at dinner, with golfers, talking about golf. I remember lunches at these courses that were far superiior in portion and and price to what 2 hot dogs, a salad, fries, and few drinks would cost at one in quesion. I will never forget the lunch at Royal Cinque Ports, I ordered haddock, and what came out was bigger than the whole plate and the fries were stacked high and enough to share. And being greeted by the members and being made to feel at home. I will never forget the wondeful lunch buffet at Rye, and lunch at countless other famous venues, you got portions and a fair price, all most of us ask for is value for our buck. We do not mind paying a premium, but not being out and out ripped off. These are the kind of places one thinks about making a return trip to. They are not memorable necessarily for their extravegance, but for the value and the true regard for making the customer feel welcome. You don't feel like the staff is reading some script prepared by some goofball from some corporate office maybe even from another country, it is real and heartfelt. That is what most golfesr want, at least I hope so. There are some I guess that do have this need to be pampered and slobbered over, that is ok. There are some I guess that will define value based on price, that is ok to. But most golfers I know, don't know the difference between a $5 cigar and a $50 cigar, and could not tell the difference between decent wine and premium wine. Most golfers I know do not like having a caddy or forecaddy forced on them. Sometimes, we just want to be left alone and figure out our own yardages, and breaks on putts, and whatever. It is all getting out of hand , and this ends up putting certian venues out out of reach for someone who is comfortable, it becomes for the really comfortable or rich. And even if you are really comfortable or rich, getting ripped off is still getting ripped off. It puts a bad taste in your mouth. More than ever, those of us who deal with the public understand how important it is to give the customer value and assure customer satisfaction, because we want repeat business and positive word of mouth. So, in our dealings in the business world as consumers, we are more tuned in than ever to this, and we expect the same. There are not that many people like this anymore, who will spend without regard for value, value does count, more than ever. So, this talk about $12 hot dogs is important. It is not really about the hot dog itself, or about any specific resort really, it is about our game. Resorts are closing, public and private clubs are closing. Rounds are way down nationally, doubt this, look it up. We are failing in drawing youth to our game. Let's get the focus back to the playing field, this will make the sport more affordable, more accessible. And we will not have to endure lunches that break the bank and make us shake our heads in disbelief as to what we just paid.