Trump Scotland suffers storm damage

[David_Tepper]

Here is another article on the damage to the course:

http://news.stv.tv/north/210008-donald-trumps-aberdeenshire-golf-course-damaged-by-winter-storms/

[Patrick_Mucci]

It is a bad thing when beaches and dunes erode or are captured by the sea.

Why?

Take a look at the before and after pictures when Hurricane Sandy hit the New Jersey shore, then tell us if you can figure it out.

Let us know if you need help  [/b]

[Mark Pearce]

It is a bad thing when beaches and dunes erode or are captured by the sea.

Why?

Take a look at the before and after pictures when Hurricane Sandy hit the New Jersey shore, then tell us if you can figure it out.

Let us know if you need help  [/b]

A typically stupid answer to a question you haven't got an answer to.  In a sparsely populated area like Balmedie, where no homes are near the dunes and no-one makes a living from the dunes or beach and erosion is and always has been natural, why is that erosion a bad thing?  If you feel the need to respond with another witless wisecrack I'll just assume the answer is that you still don't have an answer.

[Mark Chaplin]

Patrick - Rye is gaining land all the time due to the build up of sand and in 20-30 years I'm sure the Jubilee 9 will be 18 holes. Comparing the Trump links land with the New Jersey coast line is a little way out even for you. As was said earlier if there wasn't course works there probably wouldn't have been a washout.

It all looks extremely minor, I saw huge washouts at 7.30 on the way to breakfast at PVGC and the course was open by 10.30 despite 4" of rain overnight.

[Michael Dugger]

There certainly isn't any point in stabilizing dunes when the outcome is a course like Sandpines.

Have a nice day Pat Mucci   

[Patrick_Mucci]

Comparing the Trump links land with the New Jersey coast line is a little way out even for you.

Why, both are on the sea, both subject to storms and the loss of coastline.

The article and comments implied that an outside agency, the sea, vis a vis a storm, had swallowed a portion of the course, when in reality, it was an internal agency, excess rain/water.

Here's the quote:

Environmental scientist Andy Wightman said: “There’s a real danger greens could collapse in the sea. It’ll all end in tears.”[color]

Note, Andy Wightman said, "greens" implying a systemic problem from the sea, not from runoff, and that's disinengenuous.

Hence, the comparison was about storm damage to the coast line.
The NJ coast/barrier islands didn't get wiped away due to overflowing rivers emptying into Barneget Bay which was the case at Trump.
It wasn't the sea eroding and swallowing land as Mark also implied, but rather runoff. [/b][/size][/color]

As was said earlier if there wasn't course works there probably wouldn't have been a washout.

And a "washout" is significantly different than being swallowed by the sea.

This was just more environmental nonsense, perpetuated by anti-Trump proponents.

It all looks extremely minor, I saw huge washouts at 7.30 on the way to breakfast at PVGC and the course was open by 10.30 despite 4" of rain

Except that in this case, the article implied that the course was doomed, that the sea would swallow it, when nothing could be further from the truth.

Mark Pearce attempted to perpetuate the misrepresentation.overnight.

[David Schofield]

The washout of the fourth tee was clearly due poor construction of an embankment. The culvert looks awfully small and there's no diaphragms or collars to prevent seepage along the outside edge of the pipe.  The trench for the culvert was likely poorly compacted when it was backfilled.

The washout along the cart path (hole?), it appears that there wasn't any provision for drainage off of the cart path except down a steep slope.  In addition, the minor mounding along the path (to hide it from view) likely caused the water to build up there.  In that case, a small rivulet becomes a washout quite quickly.

Neither appears to have anything to do with shifting dunes.

[Pete_Pittock]

piffle that can be fixed with a combover

[Patrick_Mucci]

There certainly isn't any point in stabilizing dunes when the outcome is a course like Sandpines.

Have a nice day Pat Mucci   

Mike, we'll always debate the merits/demerits of Sandpines.
It has some very good holes and some so-so holes.
Could it be better, sure.

[Ally Mcintosh]

The washout of the fourth tee was clearly due poor construction of an embankment. The culvert looks awfully small and there's no diaphragms or collars to prevent seepage along the outside edge of the pipe.  The trench for the culvert was likely poorly compacted when it was backfilled.

The washout along the cart path (hole?), it appears that there wasn't any provision for drainage off of the cart path except down a steep slope.  In addition, the minor mounding along the path (to hide it from view) likely caused the water to build up there.  In that case, a small rivulet becomes a washout quite quickly.

Neither appears to have anything to do with shifting dunes.

Now there's a proper answer.