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Joe Bausch

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I recently made a quick trip to central Florida for a trip and was fortunate to play some nice golf courses.  The last one I played before I scurried back to the TPA airport was Mountain Lake.  About a month earlier our Friends of Cobb's Creek Golf Course blog attracted the interest of a Philadelphia golfer that is also a ML member, and green chairman as well.  What a great way to take a tour of the course, along with Kyle Harris (who used to work at ML) and George Forster, Jr, assistant pro at ML during the winter (and works at Merion during the golfing season up here).

Mike Sweeney did an IMO piece on Mountain Lake back in 2005:

http://www.golfclubatlas.com/in-my-opinion/mike-sweeney-blending-old-and-new-in-renovating-a-classic/

I'm going to borrow heavily from it on this photo tour.   ;D

From Mike's intro:

Mountain Lake is located in the ridge country of Central Florida, just outside the small citrus town of Lake Wales. A Baltimorean named Frederick Ruth founded Mountain Lake in 1915. With proximity close to trains from the North which would bring residents down for ‘the season’, Ruth assembled 3500 acres and engaged Frederick Law Olmsted, Jr. to lay out 600 acres of the property for the residences and Seth Raynor to design the golf course.This same trio also went on to design and develop Fishers Island in the 1920′s. There are some notes in the archives at Mountain Lake that Ruth spoke to Donald Ross (who did nearby Lake Wales Country Club) prior to selecting Raynor, however Raynor was chosen and Mountain Lake became the first development of its kind.

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Seth Raynor moved very little earth at Mountain Lake. The holes sit on rolling terrain not typically associated with Florida. As stated by George Bahto in The Evangelist of Golf, ‘If any observation can be made on the differences between a Macdonald and Raynor course, it would be that their tendencies mirrored their personalities. Many of Raynor’s interpretations of Redan, Alps, or Cape were more understated.’ Clearly Mountain Lake reflects Raynor’s personality.

Most of the greens at Mountain Lake had been modified over the years, and many bunkers were removed. Architect Brian Silva, Former Greens Chairman Boris Meditch, Current Greens Chaiman Ned Young and former Superintendent Steve Ciardallo led the rediscovery of Raynor’s Mountain Lake course.As Brian Silva stated in Links Magazine, ‘Anybody who had seen just one Raynor golf course and then buzzed over Mountain Lake in a fighter jet would know the greens had been changed.’ For the restoration that took place in the summer of 2002, Silva used vintage aerial and ground photos to guide the work.



Note:  all figures and pictures below are 'clickable' to see a larger size.

Here is the hole sequencing at ML from a 2010 Google Earth aerial:



#1.  "Double Plateau":  Par 4 (368 yards).

From Mike's IMO:

Mountain Lake Pro Jonathan Powell tells the story of how on his ‘playing interview’ at Mountain Lake, he asked if the directional fairway bunker on #1 was in play. The members answered ‘no’, and he promptly put his first ball into the directional bunker! Thus, the Raynor strategy session begins for both the Pro and Amateur. Similar to the 1st green at National, getting to the green in two is just half the battle as placement on the correct segment of the green is key to make par. Inspired by Macdonald, this hole is named for the Double Plateau green design. It’s three greens in one and well-known examples of it are the Long Island Sound-backed 9th at Fishers Island and the 17th at Yale Golf Course. Early ground-level photographs illustrated that the first green at Mountain Lake was originally a Double Plateau. The greens at Mountain Lake are covered with Tif-Eagle grass, and the course typically has a touch of brown in the fairways and rough, allowing the course to be played firm and fast – a Tom Paulian-like ‘Maintenance Meld’. According to GCA Donyen Tom Paul, ‘The Old Course, Crystal Downs, Yeaman’s Hall, National, Cuscowilla, Mountain Lake and Pinehurst No. 2 owe a significant part of their greatness due to boldly contoured greens, and imaginative greensites that become unplayable if the putting surfaces roll too fast.’

Tee view:



A big hitter can have this view of the double plateau green from 75 yards out, this back pin a good one:



This view from the back left corner of the green, all tiers visible even if lighting was not ideal:



#2.  "Down":  Par 4 (453 yards).

From Mike's IMO:

The second hole is the first of many long fours on this ‘short’ course. The tree on the right comes into play for the back tees which are back and right of this photo. The tree lost much of its ability to grab balls from the sky due to the hurricanes of 2004, however it should return back to its former glory in a season or two. When it does, the safe play is to the left which brings the left fairway bunkers into play.

Tee view from the back tee, offset to the right from the other tees:



2nd shot view from the left part of the fairway:



From short and left of the green, with another fun pin (note the bunker in view being Raynor-like to my eyes, but not nearly the scale as my 'reference Raynor course' Yale):



#3.  "Alps":  Par 4 (398 yards).

From the IMO:

While there is a depression in the fairway that gets flattened out by the picture, it is difficult to understand why #3 rather than #10 was named Alps by Raynor. Regardless, it is a strategic shot off the tee, and depending on how far the golfer hits it, a slice or a draw may be preferred. However, right side of the fairway is the preferred area for a second shot into the green. Brian Silva states that the third green was the least changed over the years, however the original was deeper.

Tee view:



From right in the fairway, the better angle to minimize interfacing with that much bigger than it looks left greenside bunker:



That bunker is big:



The green is very deep and slopes subtly from right to left in the back, which this picture doesn't really capture very well:



Well, that was a nice start.  Three more tomorrow.   :)
« Last Edit: December 16, 2019, 10:00:30 AM by Joe Bausch »
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JMEvensky

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Thanks for taking the time to post these photo tours.I always look forward to seeing them.

Mike Sweeney

It is interesting to see how the course has "healed" from that Hurricane season of 2004. Time flies:

January 2005



January 2013



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John Mayhugh

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Nice effort at capturing the contours of the first green.  Looking forward to seeing the rest of your pictures. 

Mike Policano

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Joe,

Thanks for the photo tour. Mountain Lake is one of my favorite golf experiences. There is nothing like staying over at the Colony House, having a great breakfast and then walking 50 yards to the pro shop and the first tee.

Then a quick 2:45-3:00 18 hole walk followed by lunch and another brisk 18 hole walk. It is a fun golf course with fun decisions and choices during the round.

If there were more Mountain Lakes, there would be no problems with the golf industry. It would be flourishing.

Cheers, Mike

Mark McKeever

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Thanks for the tour Joe!   I can't wait to see the rest!

Mark
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Joe Bausch

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#4. "Long":  Par 5 (567 yards; No. 1 stroke hole).

From the IMO:

At 567 yards from the back tees, Long is a most appropriate name for this hole, as well as being a hole name frequently used on vintage courses.

Tee view:  these are Silva bunkers.



A drive in the right part of the fairway leaves a view like this:



Approach shot view is as follows, and note the creek that approaches from the right then stops:



Years ago that creek crossed in front of the green (instead of being piped under) and that is a feature I could see being re-visited.

From the back left corner of the green, corner being accurate as the back of this green is squared off:



#5. "Biarritz":  Par 3 (211 yards).

From the IMO:

‘When there is a unanimous opinion that such and such a hazard is perfect, one usually finds it commonplace.’ C.B. Macdonald, Scotland’s Gift – Golf.

The photo below gives a good view of the angular nature of Silva’s work at Mountain Lake. Some Raynor purists will argue over the angles of Silva’s bunker work, but Silva clearly brought back a penal nature to the bunkering, which was an overriding principal of Seth Raynor via C.B. Macdonald’s philosophy. As opposed to the famous 9th at Yale, the Biarritz at Mountain Lake plays on a flat piece of property. The green had lost its swale before the Silva restoration, and the bunkering was changed over the years. Silva brought back the Biarritz green, and now if the pin is placed on the back or front of the green, the hole gives the golfer the option to run the ball to the green or play an aerial shot.


Tee view:



From just short of the green:



A better view of the swale:



#6. "Gate Lake":  Par 4 (374 yards).

From the IMO:

Taking its name from the body of water encountered on the tee shot and the nearby front gate, Gate Lake shows the tendency in vintage course architecture to develop hole names from natural features found on the course. While the modern golfer has no real problem clearing the lake, the tees slide toward the right and forward to provide easier, yet still Buczkowskish (heroic), tee shots for players who are shorter off the tee.

Tee view:



Approach shot view with the green bunkered everywhere but the front (and the bunker left is not visible):



From short of the green:



A view of the back bunker from #7 fairway:



Three more tomorrow.
« Last Edit: December 16, 2019, 09:47:43 AM by Joe Bausch »
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John Ezekowitz

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The first tee at Mountain Lake is one of my favorites. It is located right next to the pro shop with that amazing clubhouse towering in the background.

I think the picture of 5 doesn't do justice to how narrow that tee shot feels. The road left and behind and especially the hedge right make the tee shot extremely claustrophobic when the pin is not in the center of the green. The fact that the tee is on the same level as the green only adds to it.

Can anyone think of another Raynor Biarritz that has this same claustrophobic feeling? For me, Yale doesn't do it because the green is substantially wider and you are playing from above it.

Ronald Montesano

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That is an awesome back bunker on lucky #7.
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Ken Fry

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I can say with no hesitation that Mountain Lake is the best "golf experience" I've had in Florida.  The golf course is FUN to play.  The greens have a great amount of character.  Pin locations and wind direction create so much variety from day to day.

I never played the pre-Silva renovated course but what the members have there now is what I always felt a wonderful wintertime destination club should be:  not overly penalizing with water or marshes and fun.

Photos will never do justice to the dramatic contouring of the greens.  I find exploring the course and finding ways to use the contours to feed balls toward a target instead of straight A to B locations is much more enjoyable.

If anyone is provided the opportunity to play at Mountain Lake, be prepared to step back in time and enjoy the trip!

Ken

Bill_McBride

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Our pal Tiger Bernhardt had an ace on #5!  "Ace" Bernhardt.    ;D

John Kavanaugh

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Joe,

Based on these pictures alone, and knowing of your Evansville roots, do you think my friends from home would want to leave Streamsong to play Mountain Lake?  Leave Ward out of it.

Joe Bausch

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Joe,

Based on these pictures alone, and knowing of your Evansville roots, do you think my friends from home would want to leave Streamsong to play Mountain Lake?  Leave Ward out of it.

Hmm, gut impression would be your friends would be happy playing ML, but probably happier with the two courses S'Song.

Now are we comparing full experiences, meaning staying at the Lodge at S'Song, and at the Colony House at ML?
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John Kavanaugh

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Full experience including the problems associated with travel and switching hotels.

Joe Bausch

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Full experience including the problems associated with travel and switching hotels.

If you first do say 2 days at the very modern SSong, golf and accommodations, then your guys would likely love a day or so at ML and the Colony House.  Much different golf course but it and the environs I think would satisfy those Evansvillians, unless they are west-siders.  ;)
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Bill McKinley

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That is an awesome back bunker on lucky #7.

That awesome back bunker that you speak of is in back of #6, not 7. And yes it is an awesome rear bunker
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Kyle Harris

Our pal Tiger Bernhardt had an ace on #5!  "Ace" Bernhardt.    ;D

I am proud to say I set that day's hole location.

Based on where I had hit the green the evening before!

Bill_McBride

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Our pal Tiger Bernhardt had an ace on #5!  "Ace" Bernhardt.    ;D

I am proud to say I set that day's hole location.

Based on where I had hit the green the evening before!

Well done sir, well done!

Joe Bausch

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#7. "Road".  Par 4 (374 yards).

From the IMO:

Inspired by the renowned 17th at St. Andrews, Road substitutes a bunker right of the green for one of the most famous stretches of pavement in all of golf. A tee ball that flirts with the fairway bunker right sets up the best angle to the green – just like a tee shot over the railroad sheds to the right set up the best angle on the original Road Hole at St. Andrews.

Tee view:



Approach view:



(sorry, no other decent pics near green)

#8. "Raynor":  Par 5 (584 yards).

From the IMO:

After Seth Raynor’s death, Charles Banks came back and made a few changes to Mountain Lake. The #8 Raynor is actually a combination of two original Raynor holes. The current par five uses the island tee position of an original par four and the green position used originally on a par three. At 528 yards and firm conditions, the modern player is inclined to go for it in two. However similar to #4, the smaller well protected green creates interesting strategy that starts on the tee. Do I play a two or three shot hole?

A new back tee can stretches this hole out to close to 600 (the island tee just in view is 522 yards):

Tee view:



Care must be taken on the second shot to stay left as the fairway right slopes down leading to a pond:



A good 2nd shot leaves a short approach like this:



A view from over the green shows some geometrical grass bunkers (as well as giving you a hint of the pond in play on the 2nd shot):



#9. "Short":  Par 3 (146 yards).

From the IMO:

This hole was added by Charles Banks when the current 8th was created. Based on the 4th at Royal West Norfolk, the Raynor/Banks collection of shorts include greens that feature horseshoe shape or thumbprint depressions such as the 9th at Mountain Lake. Fine examples of Short include the 10th at Chicago (with its two rounded depressions) and the 6th at Lookout Mountain.

Ah, a very brief afternoon shower greeted us on the tee (making focus a mess)!



The thumbprint is fairly obvious here (click picture to enlarge):



From just over the green:



Back nine starts tomorrow.
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Jason Topp

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374 yards is awfully short for a "Road" hole.  How does it play?

Ken Fry

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374 yards is awfully short for a "Road" hole.  How does it play?

Jason,

It's more of a theoretical interpretation of the risk/reward of the Road Hole.  Hugging the dangerous right side leaves a much more direct line down the full length of the green.  Playing safe out to the left leaves an awkward diagonal shot across the large left green side bunker you see in the approach view photo.

The large right fairway bunker is not difficult to carry but a long tree hedge runs the length of the right side.

Ken

John_Cullum

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It's more of a theoretical interpretation of the risk/reward of the Road Hole.

Nice!
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Mike Sweeney

It is interesting to see Joe's presentation with some of my old language in there. Upon reflection, I never thought of the two nines as being "unequal". The next three holes coming up are very good, and it is now clear to me that the back nine is superior to the front.

Joe Bausch

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#10. "Up":  Par 4 (459 yards).

From the IMO:

Bok Tower looms over the fairway trees, and can be used as a driving marker on #10. During the renovation, the hole was converted to a Par 4 from a Par 5. The strategy off the tee calls for a Buczkowski (‘heroic shot’) over the right bunkers to cut the distance on this long par 4. Too far left and safe and bunkers loom there too. The Up green is one of the few greens that was left as is by Silva. The raised green on an uphill hole once again give pause to the concept of Mountain Lake being ‘short’. Any and all pars are welcome.

Tee view:



2nd shot view:



From the back of the green:



#11. "Redan":  Par 3 (181 yards).

Pretty darn good Redan here, IMO.

From the IMO:

The word ‘Redan’ was coined to describe the 15th at North Berwick and Raynor outfitted his examples with exaggerated ‘kick-back’ slopes in the approach and front section of Mountain Lakes Redan. The 4th at The National and the 6th at Yeamans Hall are wonderful examples.

Tee view:



From the forward tee:



From over the green:



#12. "Blind":  Par 4 (461 yards; No. 2 stroke hole).

From the IMO:

With a blind shot off the tee and framed by two bunkers, the 12th hole at Mountain Lake reminds the golfer of the 17th hole at Yale. Once again, the modern golfer is tested on this ‘short’ course.

Tee view:



Approach shot view:



From just over the green:



That sure was a nice start to the back nine!
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Ken Fry

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It is interesting to see Joe's presentation with some of my old language in there. Upon reflection, I never thought of the two nines as being "unequal". The next three holes coming up are very good, and it is now clear to me that the back nine is superior to the front.


Mike,

What lead you to this conclusion?

Ken