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Scott Warren

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Durban Country Club: hot & cold, wild & untamed
« on: January 11, 2013, 06:29:38 AM »
Playing Durban Country Club was always a goal of mine, so I made sure to set a couple of days aside during a recent trip to check it out.

Royal Melbourne East was always my barometer for hot and cold courses, with its mix of sublime and ridiculous, but Durban CC leaves it in the shade in that regard.

It follows almost without exception at Durban CC that the good holes are on the good land and the poor on the flat land.

The best of the land is on the seaside east of the course and the southern area near the clubhouse (much of the front nine and the last two holes), while north and west, where the lion's share of the back nine sits, is plain and poorly used.

The undulations on the good land are extreme, with greens largely built on the high ground, maximising those landforms and ensuring you can't miss them.

The standout in that regard is the mid-length par four 17th, which plunges from a highpoint in the fairway to a series of ocean swell rolls before climbing up high again at the green. It's as dramatic as natural, traditional golf can get

The vegetation management is a disappointment, with jungle so thick just off the fairways that going in to look for a ball is the definition of futile.

Another let-down on the back nine is the removal of two epic fairway bunkers that would previously have made the par five 10th and 14th standouts on plain land, where now they lack something exciting.

The best holes are incredible, though, and present some of the most exciting golf shots I've played. Among those most notable are:

2nd hole - 172m/160m - an African cousin to 5 @ R. Melb West.
From a tee with a commanding coastal view, it's slightly downhill to a green fronted by a steep dune that feeds anything underclubbed back towards the tee. The drama of that land makes the green appear almost flat, but it pitches significantly in the same direction.


3rd hole - 468m/462m
A sizeable fairway trap set in a dune gets lots of attention, but the thing I loved most about this short par five was the subtlety at the green, which sits atop a modest dune. But short of the green is a ripple of dune about 40m short that creates hidden ground in front of the putting surface and messes with your depth perception.


8th hole - 458m/440m
One of the bst long shots I have played is the 200m or so you find between you and the pin on this short par five. The massive foreground bunker dominates the eye and the green is atop another huge dune that slopes hard right at the front, meaning you have to get your ball up top on the fly or watch dreams of eagle get swatted hard away from and below the green.


12th hole - 143m/131m - The famed Prince of Wales hole
It's rare to find something unique like this hole, which plays from one tall dune to another with the narrow green reaching all the way to the edges of the platform, meaning plenty of balls that land on the short stuff end up rolling down one of the flanks 25ft below the putting surface. If that's not tough enough, bunkers sit at the front and back of the green. I always thought the 17th at NSWGC was a severe short iron test in a high wind zone, but this is something else.


18th hole - 250m/241m - the perfect finish to a quirky and unconventional course
An extremely short four over some really fun land. Easily driveable, but if you take a straight line to the green you have to traverse a deep valley that kicks the ball right towards a steep falloff down to the range. The ideal shot is either a fade that lands on the higher ground and runs down to the green or a bold draw that flirts with thr right before landing into the slope and running up the hill to the green. The putting surface is made by the flow of the central valley that runs naturally to a great RHS chipping area.



With some judicious work, Durban CC could be a good two tiers better than it is and a worthy inclusion in the World Top 100, within which it nonetheless sits. Not many courses have as many breathtaking holes or such incredible land.

I highly recommend a visit despite the drawbacks. There's a lot to see that you won't see elsewhere and - my favourite thing about golf travel - you get to enjoy the game played a different way in a different culture.

My caddie in one round made a big song and dance at the first tee about me not hitting driver. Fairly firmly, and at great volume, he explained how the hole needed to be played, that driver was too much club and that my 2 Hybrid was the tool for the job, mentioning several times that he had caddied at the club for longer than I'd been alive.

I relented, mostly just to shut him up, and hit a hybrid down the fairway. As we walked off down the hole, he gestured to the club pro giving a lesson to the right of the 1st tee and says: "He is one of the best professionals in the country. Very good teacher and he sees me advising you, giving you the knowledge you need to play well and he understand that I am a very good caddie."

He was very proud of the tournament that was being played at Durban CC this week, the latest chapter in the club's lengthy tournament history. He assured me he would get a bag for the tournament, and I bet he'd be just as firm with a World Top 50 golfer as he was with me!

A few hours' drive north towards Mozambique, here's the best reason to visit South Africa as soon as you can: The HluHluwe-Umfalozi Game Reserve. More incredible than any golf hole could ever be.


« Last Edit: January 11, 2013, 03:23:08 PM by Scott Warren »

Ally Mcintosh

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Re: Durban Country Club: hot & cold, wild & untamed
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2013, 09:25:08 AM »
Brian Sheehy and Scott Warren - You two amaze me at how many great golf courses you seem to get through!

Scott Warren

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Re: Durban Country Club: hot & cold, wild & untamed
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2013, 03:04:38 PM »
Brian,

I heard lots of recommendations while I was in town for East London GC, down the coast closer to Humewood in Port Elizabeth.

The exchange rate was about 9 rand to 1 Aussie dollar when we were there and the prices were just insane. We had a dinner out that was two generous courses, steaks and ribs and cocktails, beer and wine being ordered with abandon, alcoholic coffees for desert... AU$16.85 per person! You'd pay that for one cocktail here in Sydney!

Everyone talks about Kruger, but Hluhluwe-Umfalozi is an incredible park where the white rhino repopulation process is being headed. We spent four nights there in the Mpila lodge (it and Hilltop are the two main ones there) and paid AU$140 for the privilege. Stupidly cheap. Heard good things also about Tenby Elephant Park.

Ally,

I'm fortunate to have a wife who also loves to travel and is encouraging of me playing golf wherever we go.

This trip was to visit her family, who live an hour from Durban, so I had all the time I wanted for golf.

The discovery of the trip was a course not far from her family named Prince's Grant. Slightly resorty with a couple of green to tee walks through neighbourhoods, but also some really out there architecture on good land.

Southbroom came recommended, but aside from the "signature" seaside par three hole I wasn't a big fan.

Tom_Doak

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Re: Durban Country Club: hot & cold, wild & untamed
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2013, 03:17:39 PM »
Scott:

I was surprised you didn't include the 17th hole in among the great ones you pictured.  I remember it being pretty wild, too.  But you are right about the flatter holes, they are pretty disappointing. 

There are some great great holes, but if this course was in Detroit I don't think it would be in the top 100.

Scott Warren

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Re: Durban Country Club: hot & cold, wild & untamed
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2013, 03:22:18 PM »
Just completely forgot to photograph 17 either time, Tom. I guess it was that visually impressive that I was too busy just taking it in. The landforms there dwarf those elsewhere on the course, which takes some doing.

Your final sentence sums the course up. Its location definitely assists it in the ranking, because I've played a good handful of courses that are comfortably superior and don;t get a sniff at the 100.

For those unfamiliar, this is the 17th, from Ran's CBC review:

« Last Edit: January 11, 2013, 03:25:14 PM by Scott Warren »

Tom Culley

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Re: Durban Country Club: hot & cold, wild & untamed
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2013, 03:39:14 PM »
Scott,

How tempted were you to go out at night with a chainsaw and get rid of those god awful trees on 12?

T.
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Scott Warren

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Re: Durban Country Club: hot & cold, wild & untamed
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2013, 10:00:00 PM »
Tom,

They're not the best, but they do shield the tee somewhat from approaching golfers on 8 & 11.

Greg Gilson

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Re: Durban Country Club: hot & cold, wild & untamed
« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2013, 02:10:11 AM »
Scott, thanks for the great pics. We got the chance to play here a couple of years ago. I remembered all the holes you listed and didn't remember any the holes you didn't either! Although i do seem to recall a couple of more intersting short 4's in the corner of the property furthest from the clubhouse. Overall, i thought it was a pretty unique and fun course.

You certainly need to WANT to play DCC, you do not stumble across it. Let's assume it's a Great Course (its contant residence -justified or not -  on World Top 100 Lists suggests that). Is it the most remote "Great Course"? Is it the "Great Course" furthest from the next nearest one? Is it the most difficult one for most golfers to get to (not those in Durban obviosly)? That's probably another seperate discussion topic but it's the first thought that crosses my mind when i think of DCC.

Thanks again!

Philip Gawith

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Re: Durban Country Club: hot & cold, wild & untamed
« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2013, 05:43:10 AM »
I will no doubt be accused of being a parochial South African for making this point but.....I don't think the best/great courses are a matter only of arithmetic, average excellence as Scott/Tom's comments might suggest. Maybe it is true that if DCC was in Detroit it would not be top 100. And yes, the only rational way to assess excellence is to add up the number of good holes. But DCC's reputation stands on the fact that it has six memorable holes based around very interesting use of dunes (less important being exotic location and vegetation). I can think of some courses with much greater reputations than DCC where i struggle to remember many of the holes. And to be fair to Tom, i think is pretty much what he said in the Confidential Guide all those years ago. I would put it in the same category as a course like North Berwick which has a good sample of completely memorable holes, no matter the overall average. And maybe to finish the thought, I would rather play courses like these than those holes with a higher average of good holes, but little "memorability".

Philip

Sean_A

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Re: Durban Country Club: hot & cold, wild & untamed
« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2013, 05:58:27 AM »
Thanks for the pix Scott.  I have never seen Durban, but I am naturally drawn to how well flatter holes flow seemlessly with the the more grand elements of courses.  Ideally, for me anyway, flat holes are a boon if done well.  For instance, Hoylake has good flat holes (no doubt helped along by the quality of the turf) which are integral in making the course great.  If next door Wallasey had the same quality in its flat holes, I have no doubt it would be much more highly thought of than now.  Are Durban's flat holes poor or are they not merely not to your taste?  I would be interested in you comments and photos of these holes. 

Philip - how many unusual/good holes need there be to overcome the more forgettable aspects of a course?  It seems to me North Berwick is often used for this sort of debate, even though I struggle to think of many holes there which could be called poor - average, yes. However, the set of unusual holes at NB are so far off the charts unusual, very good and varied, that I am not sure its reasonable to compare NB to Durban (or any other course for that matter) in this way.  Durban's holes are born of dunes, there are many, many very good courses around the world with the same MO.

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Scott Warren

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Re: Durban Country Club: hot & cold, wild & untamed
« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2013, 06:12:29 AM »
Philip and Sean,

I think I can answer both your posts by saying that it's not the presence of flat, much less interesting land that pulls Durban CC down a few rungs in my eyes, it's that there's not more made from that flatter land.

The 6th and 13th are two shortish fours on the flattest parcels, but both fail to entice or tempt at all. The 6th as the inside of its dogleg heavily treed and a bunker outside the dogleg, so a lay-up to the corner is your only real option. The green itself is quite interesting, but the hole is drab.

The 13th also has a smart green and decent bunkering, but the best line in is from the slightly raised 11th tee just off the fairway. There's nought to tempt you to have a lusty swing from the elevated tee and the hole is just too narrow because the 11th tee is smack bang right in the way.

And Philip, I agree that few courses have as many breathtaking holes over such dramatic land as Durban has. It gets massive points for the likes of 1-4, 8, 12, 17 and 18. If some of the flatter holes could be lifted to maintain the thrill of playing the course through the flatter portions of the property then it would have my vote as being World Top 100.

John Mayhugh

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« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2013, 10:00:24 AM »
Nice review, Scott.  I would love to see this one in person someday, especially because it would also mean the chance to see some of the country.

Wouldn't have to worry about me venturing into the vegetation in search of a ball!

Philip Gawith

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« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2013, 10:53:40 AM »
Scott, it is interesting what you say about 6 and 13. I have been watching the Volvo tournament on TV the past two days and the pro's - at least some of them - have not been playing these holes as you say. I saw Louis Oosthuizen drive to 40 yards from the 6th and Jaidee drive to the front of the 13th. In other words, the pro's not all laying up (though what you say is more true for the amateur). Funny also that the pro's seem to have struggled a bit on holes like 6 and 7 which are always ones that pick up a lot of flak. and - in passing - with the wind up, 11 and 16 are both very difficult holes that are not often discussed.

All this said, I am not sure there is a huge disagreement here - there is clearly a big gap between the great holes and the lesss memorable ones.

Sean, i don't know the answer to your question. But i am not sure the holes at DCC are poor - maybe just average/unremarkable. As for your other point - i actually think DCC is maybe a bit closer to NB on that calculus than you might allow. DCC is not to my mind just one among "many, many" duneland courses. Additionally, you will go a long way to find two better and more varied back to finishing holes than 17 and 18.   It is fantastic to have a  par four finishing hole where over the past 24 hours i have seen two eagles and two OB as players are tempted for the big play.

Tom_Doak

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Re: Durban Country Club: hot & cold, wild & untamed
« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2013, 12:28:10 PM »
You certainly need to WANT to play DCC, you do not stumble across it. Let's assume it's a Great Course (its contant residence -justified or not -  on World Top 100 Lists suggests that). Is it the most remote "Great Course"? Is it the "Great Course" furthest from the next nearest one? Is it the most difficult one for most golfers to get to (not those in Durban obviosly)? That's probably another seperate discussion topic but it's the first thought that crosses my mind when i think of DCC.


Greg:

Please remember that the course exists for its members, not for globe-trotting box-ticker panelists.  We [even I] often lose sight of that when commenting on the merits of a course. 

The most important thing is whether the course makes the most of its circumstances.  To that end, I think we feel that there are a few holes which greatly exceed expectations, but that the flatter holes fail to provide the more subtle interest that would make them good supporting players -- as my beloved North Berwick possesses, in holes like the 5th-7th or the 9th-12th.

Whether someone in America feels that seeing these great holes in person are worth the trip to South Africa is a matter of individual conscience.  But I can vouch for the fact that a trip to South Africa will provide far greater perspective than mundane arguments about top-100 lists.  It is a beautiful country worth exploring, and Durban CC ensures that it's worth bringing along one's clubs.

Greg Gilson

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« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2013, 05:01:52 PM »
Hi Tom, the "remoteness" question was more just a hypothetical musing. Of all the courses we see on the various Top 100 Lists i just couldn't think of another that took such a journey (from Australia's east coast in my case) to play as a one off course of that kind of quality. There's lots to warrant a visit to Southern Africa (both golf & apres golf) - i help people travel there regularly & I have listed the region on other Discussion Topics as one of Surprise Top 10 to help round out a travelling golfer's education.

I agree with your + most of the comments here about the "split personality" of DCC. I certainly think its a fun, unique & memorable course that the members should feel proud of. I cannot wait to find a way to get back there sometime.

Scott Warren

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« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2013, 11:08:38 PM »
Philip,

Among the flatter holes, 7 was a favourite of mine. I liked the subtle roll of the land.

1, 2, 3, 4, 8, 12, 17 and 18 are obviously the standout holes on great land. Of the lesser land holes I would class 7, 9, 10, 15 and 16 as the better group and 5, 6, 11, 13, and 14 as the lesser.

What's great is that the course opens and closes with the best it has to offer.

Great fun watching it on TV this week, though a course never looks quite the same on a TV screen.

Leo Barber

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« Reply #16 on: January 13, 2013, 06:16:05 AM »
Scott

Nice review and glad to see DCC discussed.  Just watching it on TV (lunch time in the cricket ofcourse with the Kiwis just coming off a record last wicket partnership vs SA).  I have often seen it strangely described as a true links and infact Tom Doak in giving his assessment in the Confidential Guide commented on Paraparaumu Beach as the best links in the southern hemisphere "if you don't count Durban Country Club as a true links".  What were your thoughts?  Can a "true links" seriously have sealed cart paths and warm season grasses?  Infact don't go there for now but did it play like a links?  Strikes me as a North Queensland Resort Course

Scott Warren

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« Reply #17 on: January 13, 2013, 06:38:18 AM »
Leo,

Not a links and didn't play as such.

The landforms remind you of links golf and the way the greens and bunkers make such wonderful use of the dunes is very much in the mould of links golf, but the shotmaking is completely different.

Despite being a dampish spring when I was there, there was still some run to be had on long approaches such as those to 3 & 8 and driving at the green on 18, but a different game to what you'd have with the same land and features in Scotland or Tasmania (or Pram).

Bart Bradley

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« Reply #18 on: January 13, 2013, 10:23:30 AM »
You certainly need to WANT to play DCC, you do not stumble across it. Let's assume it's a Great Course (its contant residence -justified or not -  on World Top 100 Lists suggests that). Is it the most remote "Great Course"? Is it the "Great Course" furthest from the next nearest one? Is it the most difficult one for most golfers to get to (not those in Durban obviosly)? That's probably another seperate discussion topic but it's the first thought that crosses my mind when i think of DCC.


Greg:

Please remember that the course exists for its members, not for globe-trotting box-ticker panelists.  We [even I] often lose sight of that when commenting on the merits of a course. 

The most important thing is whether the course makes the most of its circumstances.  To that end, I think we feel that there are a few holes which greatly exceed expectations, but that the flatter holes fail to provide the more subtle interest that would make them good supporting players -- as my beloved North Berwick possesses, in holes like the 5th-7th or the 9th-12th.

Whether someone in America feels that seeing these great holes in person are worth the trip to South Africa is a matter of individual conscience.  But I can vouch for the fact that a trip to South Africa will provide far greater perspective than mundane arguments about top-100 lists.  It is a beautiful country worth exploring, and Durban CC ensures that it's worth bringing along one's clubs.

All:

South Africa is worth visiting and among the most diverse interesting and fun places I have seen.  Tom Doak says it all and correctly above.  Don't hesitate to make the trip if you are considering it...It is a life changer for many things beyond golf.

Bart

Mark Bourgeois

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« Reply #19 on: January 13, 2013, 10:38:24 AM »

It is a life changer for many things beyond golf.

Bart

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Philip Gawith

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« Reply #20 on: January 13, 2013, 10:43:26 AM »
Leo the South African course that is clearly a links - and some educated prefer to DCC - is Humewood. It has more scale than Paraparaumu and I remember it as a better course though that is more impressionistic than analytic as I don't have a clear hole by hole recollection of both.

Nigel Islam

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« Reply #21 on: January 13, 2013, 11:15:09 AM »
If you went to South Africa and only played one course would Durban Country Club be the best experience?

Bart Bradley

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« Reply #22 on: January 13, 2013, 11:31:05 AM »
Nigel:

Humewood is a lovely true links course.  Play them both!

Bart

Jason Topp

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« Reply #23 on: January 13, 2013, 02:49:49 PM »
I have not watched much on television but the little I have watched seems to include a lot of searching for balls in the jungle.  How tight is the course?

Scott Warren

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« Reply #24 on: January 13, 2013, 03:54:50 PM »
Jason,

Not especially tight, but the jungle is as thick as I've seen anywhere.

Most of the bad jungle is on the front nine, near the coastline.

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