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Bryan Izatt

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I noticed that The Eagle course was named this month as the best new private club of the year by Golf Magazine.  I had played it last January when it first opened and was impressed (confounded, irritated) by the green complexes and their negative impact on my score.  A couple of days ag I played it again and, again, apart from confirming that the green complexes are a challenge, I thought that this really is a fun, although challenging, golf course.

The only Steve Smyers courses that I've played are Southern Dunes and Bella Collina, the former very nice and the latter interesting, but with some questionable holes.

It has been reported that Smyers was inspired by Macdonald and Raynor 1920's designs in the creation of The Eagle.  I haven't played courses by either.  I'd be interested if someone with more experience and who has played The Eagle could comment on how much the course looks and plays like a Macdonal/Raynor course.  Certainly there are some features that are unique, like square corners on greens that are geometric like Raynor.

In looking up some background on Smyers, I found the following quote.  Sounds good to me.

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"The great golf courses of the world share a common ingredient with great symphonies--they are technically correct--but more than that they are alive.  They have feeling.  A great golf course moves you to alternating highs and lows.  It excites you, thrills you, and even frightens you.  In the end, a great golf course challenges the very best in you...And that's what golf is all about"

And, a quote from his design partner Patrick Andrews on The Eagle:

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"We regard what we are creating at TwinEagles as very much a work of art.  The design worked to create shapes and lines that are interesting, vibrant and have a harmonious relationship to the surrounding land.  Our hope is to showcase the new "Eagle" Course in a way that players can sense the place is alive and vibrant."

TwinEagles originally had two  courses, the Talon by Nicklaus and the Aerie by Player.  As I understand it the membership thought the Player course to be too difficult and ultimately decided to redesign and rebuild it completely.  Interestingly Smers created a course that is a bear from the tips at 7634 yards rated at 77.9 and sloped at 153.  From back there it must be brutally tough given the extreme challenge of the greens combined with the raw length.  From the more manageable members tees it is 6529 yards, 72.3 and 134, still a challenging course. 

And, for me what makes the course challenging from whatever tee are the green complexes.  Many are elevated 8 to10 to 15 feet above the fairway and surrounds and have significant undulations, bumps, ridges, and plateaus. One of the greens, the 8th, is said to have a redan-like feature, a punch bowl and a plateau feature all in one green.  It is a very large green that provides many possible pin locations and is not as busy looking as it might sound. Perhaps the biggest challenge is missing the green and having the ball repelled away from the green.  And, the most fun is trying to recover and stay on the green, especially if you miss on the wrong side.  For example, on the second hole, a par 5, I was pin high in two but thirty yards right of the pin faced with a chip from the rough into a short side pin on an elevated green that ran abruptly away from my angle.  Nice chip into the side of the bank that didn't kick up onto the green.  An 8 iron bump up the bank that came back to my feet.  Another 8 iron chip past the flag and off the edge of the green.  Two putts coming back for a double bogey on what looked at first blush like a birdie opportunity.  I think the green complexes on the course would require a lot of study to figure out the best way to attack them.

The contours of the fairways leading to the greens can also provide excitement when trying to run the ball into greens.  And, unlike many FL courses at this time of year the fairways are maintained fast and firm, so a ground game in a possibility.   

Following is a brief description of the holes from the club's web site.  I'm going back tomorrow for another go at it and hope to get some pictures.

Eagle Hole Descriptions – Yardages From The Back Tees

Hole 1 – Par 4 / 414 Yards

The tee shot on the first hole of the Eagle is very deceptive. It looks like there is no landing area at all but in fact there is plenty. The mistake is laying back; the player must take on the tee shot due to the difficult second shot into a two-tiered green with a false front. Once the player reaches the green the two put par is not a certainty.

Hole 2 – Par 5 / 605 Yards

This long par five gives the player room off the tee but the lay-up is much more difficult. The player must decide what third shot they must play into the green before the lay-up strategy is considered. The third shot into number two demands a bump and run shot but if the player is not ready for it the wedge in could produce disaster. Choose wisely.

Hole 3 – Par 4 / 460 Yards

Our third hole has hazards left, right and long. With the fairway sloping right to left, a fade off the tee is your best play. Now hold on, the approach shot must find the green due to the greens triangular shape with a bowl on the left and a treacherous slope on the right. Another two put par is all the player should look for on number three.

Hole 4 – Par 3 / 202 Yards

The fourth hole is a mid-iron par three to a perfect rectangular green. With the bunker and water right, the bailout is definitely left.

Hole 5 – Par 5 / 572 Yards

Our second par five will be one of your favorite holes due to the continuous options the hole offers. A draw off the tee will get the ball rolling through the alley of fairway bunkers and allows the player the chance to attack this half rainbow green. If the player decides to lay-up, they must go right or left due to the fairway bunkers down the center of the lay-up zone. Left may be the better option when laying up but going for it in two is way more fun.

Hole 6 – Par 4 / 481 Yards

With ample room off the tee, the challenge is the approach shot on our sixth. A player must favor the right side of the fairway to use all of the slopes on the green properly. The green has a false front, and with the bunkers left and no clear bail out right the player must control their ball after the ball lands on the green.

Hole 7 – Par 4 / 472 Yards

Number seven really challenges the player off the tee and into the green. With water left off the tee, the bunkers right really pinch the long hitters. Once the ball has found the fairway the player must hit a high mid to short iron into this perfectly square green. The green is well elevated and well-guarded left and right with bunkers. Short is the only miss but to guarantee par the player must find the green.

Hole 8 – Par 3 / 222 Yards

This par three is long and elevated with a green that will be one of your favorites. Even though the green is large the player will face many challenges off the tee but once on the green the game really begins. Use your imagination well, number 8 does not give up too many two-putts.

Hole 9 – Par 4 / 445 Yards

Pay attention to the huge fairway bunker left. A tee shot short of the bunker allows the player the best angle but the longer shot in may not be the best decision. If the player bombs a drive down the right and escapes the OB they can then challenge this elevated multi-tiered green. Make a par on nine and you may pick one up on the field.

Hole 10 – Par 4 / 492 Yards

The par four tenth gives the player room off the tee but the player must hit the farthest tee shot possible to set-up the second shot. The farther your tee shot is the more narrow the fairway gets. A great drive will set up this mid iron shot into an elevated green that is almost 50 yards in depth. Favor the left side of the green to allow for the best kick to any hole location.

Hole 11 – Par 4 / 477 Yards

With water right and OB left the player must be sure of what shot they want to hit off the tee. Once the fairway is found, the player faces a second shot into this par four that is guarded by a bunker left, water right and a mound in front. This multi-tiered green will reward a good shot but a little local knowledge goes a long way.

Hole 12 – Par 3 / 233 Yards

This par three tempts the player to take on the bunker short right with an accurate tee shot but the play is to play to the left of the green and use the slope to move the ball to the center of the green assuring a safe two putt par.

Hole 13 – Par 4 / 471 Yards

Off the tee this par four makes the player “take on” the water and the bunkers right. If you are playing for par the easy tee shot awaits but if your goal is to birdie this hole then the risk must be taken off the tee. The front hole locations demand a well struck shot with a lot of spin but if the hole location is in the back, the ball must be played to release.

Hole 14 – Par 5 / 580 Yards

A big tee shot on this par 5 will get you home in two but be prepared for the incredibly difficult second shot. The lay-up is a fairly easy one but if you do “go for it” the green must be missed left. This will leave the player with some fun options.

Hole 15 – Par 4 / 501 Yards

With water left, this par 4 makes you feel that 3 wood off the tee is the play but the player must play the big tee shot to set up the short iron into the green. The fifteenth green is one that has a false front and trouble left, right and behind. Just because there are not bunkers on this hole doesn’t mean it’s a pushover.

Hole 16 – Par 4 / 309 Yards

Just how many options does this reachable par 4 have? You may think a lay-up off the tee gives you the best option but this par 4 begs you to be aggressive. If you are lucky enough to hit this green off the tee your prize awaits but miss the green and frustration awaits.

Hole 17 – Par 3 / 184 Yards

With many tee options, this par three can start from any angle. The secret to this tee shot is to use the green to get the ball where it needs to go. Long is always an option if the hole is located left behind the front bunker.

Hole 18 – Par 4 / 514 Yards

The eighteenth is a demanding finishing hole. This par 4 starts with a difficult tee shot to negotiate the fairway bunkers left and right but due to the length of the hole, the play must take on the bunker right. The player then faces a long iron into this green complex and will again be able to use the slopes on the green to move the ball to the appropriate location.

Mike Nuzzo

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Re: TwinEagles - Eagle Course: Wild and Wacky Greens by Steve Smyers
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2013, 09:17:12 AM »
Did you play the original course?
I don't think the routing or holes were changed at all from the Player course to the Smyers course - maybe they rebuilt the greens and did a little shaping - kept many of the bunkers.
The Player course was very flat with the craziest bunker scheme I'd ever seen - check the google historic aerials
Thinking of Bob, Rihc, Bill, George, Neil, Dr. Childs, & Tiger.

Bryan Izatt

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Re: TwinEagles - Eagle Course: Wild and Wacky Greens by Steve Smyers
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2013, 11:57:36 AM »
Mike,

No, I never played the original Aerie course.  I had played the Nicklaus course before but had not read kind things about the Aerie, so didn't go there.

The routing looks the same (as I guess it must be since it's in the midst of a housing development).  Maybe that accounts for the formidable distances from the back tees.

The greens were definitely rebuilt and there seems ro be a lot of shaping done, at least around he greens.  I looked at the aerials as you suggested at it is very clear that the greens were redone.  Just look at the 3rd and 4th greens across the north end of the property.  The new greens are very geometric and with square corners.  The look is unique in my experience (not having seen any Raynor greens)

From the historical aerials it is clear the bunkering was completely redone (and reduced).  The old bunkering scheme looks bizarre.


Sinclair Eaddy

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Re: TwinEagles - Eagle Course: Wild and Wacky Greens by Steve Smyers
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2013, 06:35:05 PM »
Bryan, I was in Naples for a three-day member guest and decided to go over to rate the Eagle (for GW) for an afternoon round when the event concluded. It also happened to be the week before LPGA CME Titleholders tournament which was played on the Eagle. As you described the course played extremely firm and fast; divots were not an issue during this round. I have had the opportuity to play some Raynor/Macdonald courses including Shoreacres, Fox Chapel, St. Louis and Mountain Lake in FL. For some reason knowing that Smyers had tried to create Raynor like greens I was comparing the Eagle to Mountain Lake. My take is he redesigned the greens without re-creating the standard templates. For example, on the long rectangular green on #4 you would have expected a large swale in the middle of the green to fully replicate the Biarritz hole... not so in this case. This may have been Smyers' intention-- a wink and a nod so to speak. I found the greens to be extremely challenging with the surrounding run-offs providing extra flavor. That said, when I brought my attention back to the tee shots and and shot angles I didn't see the strategy that you might typically see on a Raynor course. In fact it reminded me of the standard view on most holes you would see on a Florida course; rather straight forward without strategic placement of bunkering. Overall I liked the Eagle and the greens which were running at least 12 which is a lot considering the contours. The Golf Magazine designation is a nice honor, but I'm not sure I would compare this to other Raynor courses from tee to green. My Smyers favorite is still Old Memorial in Tampa.

Austin Wade

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Re: TwinEagles - Eagle Course: Wild and Wacky Greens by Steve Smyers
« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2013, 09:58:23 PM »
I played both courses this previous summer, and really liked the greens and bunkering on the Smyers course.  It was pouring rain for the 2nd round, but I recall really liking a couple of the par 3's.  I need to get back down there when I can pay a bit more attention and not just try to play as quickly as possible. 

Bryan Izatt

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Hole 1 – Par 4 / 414 Yards

The tee shot on the first hole of the Eagle is very deceptive. It looks like there is no landing area at all but in fact there is plenty. The mistake is laying back; the player must take on the tee shot due to the difficult second shot into a two-tiered green with a false front. Once the player reaches the green the two put par is not a certainty.

Tee shot




The second shot




Don't miss the green to the right.




Green contours from the front




Green contours from the left side. 



Bryan Izatt

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Re: TwinEagles - Eagle Course: Wild and Wacky Greens by Steve Smyers
« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2013, 10:29:18 AM »
Hole 2 – Par 5 / 605 Yards

This long par five gives the player room off the tee but the lay-up is much more difficult. The player must decide what third shot they must play into the green before the lay-up strategy is considered. The third shot into number two demands a bump and run shot but if the player is not ready for it the wedge in could produce disaster. Choose wisely.

From the tee.



Zoomed in from the tee.



Second shot after long drive.



Nearer the front of the green.



Contouring at front left of green



Bunker left of green.



Fall off right of the green.







Bryan Izatt

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Re: TwinEagles - Eagle Course: Wild and Wacky Greens by Steve Smyers
« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2013, 10:41:08 AM »
Hole 3 – Par 4 / 460 Yards

Our third hole has hazards left, right and long. With the fairway sloping right to left, a fade off the tee is your best play. Now hold on, the approach shot must find the green due to the greens triangular shape with a bowl on the left and a treacherous slope on the right. Another two put par is all the player should look for on number three.

If you look at the aerial, this green is a perfect inverted right angle triangle. Very geometric.

From the tee.  Nice walking paths on every hole.



Second shot from left side.  Another elevated green.



Closer in on left side.



Green from the front.



Don't miss right.



Because it's too easy to go up and over and off the back.



And don't miss left, it's just as bad.


Bryan Izatt

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Re: TwinEagles - Eagle Course: Wild and Wacky Greens by Steve Smyers
« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2013, 12:15:22 PM »
Hole 4 – Par 3 / 202 Yards

The fourth hole is a mid-iron par three to a perfect rectangular green. With the bunker and water right, the bailout is definitely left.


And, yes, the green is perfectly rectangular, right down to square corners. 

From the tee.





From the left side.



One of the aforesaid square corners on the green.




Tony Ristola

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Re: TwinEagles - Eagle Course: Wild and Wacky Greens by Steve Smyers
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2013, 09:20:47 AM »
Did you play the original course?
I don't think the routing or holes were changed at all from the Player course to the Smyers course - maybe they rebuilt the greens and did a little shaping - kept many of the bunkers.
The Player course was very flat with the craziest bunker scheme I'd ever seen - check the google historic aerials

The original bunker scheme is pretty funky. It seems to be based on The Theory of Continuous Raking :)
It could be used as a Rorschach Test.

Bryan Izatt

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Re: TwinEagles - Eagle Course: Wild and Wacky Greens by Steve Smyers
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2013, 11:11:12 AM »
Hole 5 – Par 5 / 572 Yards

Our second par five will be one of your favorite holes due to the continuous options the hole offers. A draw off the tee will get the ball rolling through the alley of fairway bunkers and allows the player the chance to attack this half rainbow green. If the player decides to lay-up, they must go right or left due to the fairway bunkers down the center of the lay-up zone. Left may be the better option when laying up but going for it in two is way more fun.

The green on this hole needs to be seen on the aerial - a perfect quarter annulus with square corners again.  On the ground it looks quite normal arcing around a fronting bunker.

From the tee.




The second shot with a string of centre-line bunkers.



Closer in.  The green arcs from the left edge of the picture to almost the right edge.



From the left approach.  The green arcs right and runs away like a Redan.



From the right approach.



From the left side of the green.




Bryan Izatt

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Re: TwinEagles - Eagle Course: Wild and Wacky Greens by Steve Smyers
« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2013, 11:16:44 AM »
Hole 6 – Par 4 / 481 Yards

With ample room off the tee, the challenge is the approach shot on our sixth. A player must favor the right side of the fairway to use all of the slopes on the green properly. The green has a false front, and with the bunkers left and no clear bail out right the player must control their ball after the ball lands on the green.

From the tee.



The second shot.  The green arcs around to the left and has a significant false front.



From short left.



Don't miss right.




Bryan Izatt

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Re: TwinEagles - Eagle Course: Wild and Wacky Greens by Steve Smyers
« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2013, 11:15:20 PM »
Hole 7 – Par 4 / 472 Yards

Number seven really challenges the player off the tee and into the green. With water left off the tee, the bunkers right really pinch the long hitters. Once the ball has found the fairway the player must hit a high mid to short iron into this perfectly square green. The green is well elevated and well-guarded left and right with bunkers. Short is the only miss but to guarantee par the player must find the green.

This hole has a perfectly square green, including square corners.

From the tee - a narrow driving zone.



From right side short of bunkers.



Second shot.



Zoomed in.



From short right.



From short left.



Looking back.




Bryan Izatt

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Re: TwinEagles - Eagle Course: Wild and Wacky Greens by Steve Smyers
« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2013, 11:25:53 PM »
Hole 8 – Par 3 / 222 Yards

This par three is long and elevated with a green that will be one of your favorites. Even though the green is large the player will face many challenges off the tee but once on the green the game really begins. Use your imagination well, number 8 does not give up too many two-putts.

The contouring of this green defies description.  It is a full 50 yards wide.



From short right.



Closer short right.



From right side.



Looking across from right side.



Looking back to tee.



Looking across from left side.



From the back left corner looking back to tee.







Bryan Izatt

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Re: TwinEagles - Eagle Course: Wild and Wacky Greens by Steve Smyers
« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2013, 10:10:47 AM »
Hole 9 – Par 4 / 445 Yards

Pay attention to the huge fairway bunker left. A tee shot short of the bunker allows the player the best angle but the longer shot in may not be the best decision. If the player bombs a drive down the right and escapes the OB they can then challenge this elevated multi-tiered green. Make a par on nine and you may pick one up on the field.

An inverted triangle volcano green with a couple of concave dimples.  This is one difficult hole.

From the tee.



Zoomed in.



From the bunker left.



From short right.



From closer in.



From right front.




Bryan Izatt

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Re: TwinEagles - Eagle Course: Wild and Wacky Greens by Steve Smyers
« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2013, 10:18:33 AM »
Hole 10 – Par 4 / 492 Yards

The par four tenth gives the player room off the tee but the player must hit the farthest tee shot possible to set-up the second shot. The farther your tee shot is the more narrow the fairway gets. A great drive will set up this mid iron shot into an elevated green that is almost 50 yards in depth. Favor the left side of the green to allow for the best kick to any hole location.

As well as being a deep green, the back two thirds runs away in a reverse Redan way.

From the tee, a narrow driving zone.



Second shot from the right.



From closer in on the right side.



From front left.



From back left of the green.



From back right of the green.




Bryan Izatt

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Re: TwinEagles - Eagle Course: Wild and Wacky Greens by Steve Smyers
« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2013, 11:45:31 PM »
Hole 11 – Par 4 / 477 Yards

With water right and OB left the player must be sure of what shot they want to hit off the tee. Once the fairway is found, the player faces a second shot into this par four that is guarded by a bunker left, water right and a mound in front. This multi-tiered green will reward a good shot but a little local knowledge goes a long way.

From the tee.



Zoomed in.  The "mound" in the middle of the approach is really a bunker.



Second shot.



Entry to the left side of the green.



The centre bunker.



Looking across the green from the right side.




Bryan Izatt

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Re: TwinEagles - Eagle Course: Wild and Wacky Greens by Steve Smyers
« Reply #17 on: January 12, 2013, 11:51:47 PM »
Hole 12 – Par 3 / 233 Yards

This par three tempts the player to take on the bunker short right with an accurate tee shot but the play is to play to the left of the green and use the slope to move the ball to the center of the green assuring a safe two putt par.

From the tee.



Zoomed in.



From short left of the green.



Looking across the green from the left side.



Looking across the green from the right side.




Ronald Montesano

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Re: TwinEagles - Eagle Course: Wild and Wacky Greens by Steve Smyers
« Reply #18 on: January 13, 2013, 12:11:47 AM »
i have never seen a course that has the same corner of water just off the tee (sometimes left, other times right) on every single tee shot. Is that a failing of this course design? There is some sort of forced carry on each tee ball.
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Bryan Izatt

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Re: TwinEagles - Eagle Course: Wild and Wacky Greens by Steve Smyers
« Reply #19 on: January 13, 2013, 10:27:45 AM »
Water is pretty much the norm for southern Florida housing development courses.  They excavate ponds to get dirt to raise the land for the fairways and greens and for the housing.  Home owners in FL developments apparently also like to overlook water, even when they're inland.

There is indeed water on all the holes except one but it is generally far enough to the side that it can be avoided and there is generally room to bail out to the other side.  There are only three forced carries and they are modest.  I played three rounds there and was never in the water.  From the forward tees there are no forced carries.  Most of the water is to the left, so the course accommodates the right hand slicers in the membership to some degree.

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Re: TwinEagles - Eagle Course: Wild and Wacky Greens by Steve Smyers
« Reply #20 on: January 13, 2013, 10:37:34 AM »
Hole 13 – Par 4 / 471 Yards

Off the tee this par four makes the player “take on” the water and the bunkers right. If you are playing for par the easy tee shot awaits but if your goal is to birdie this hole then the risk must be taken off the tee. The front hole locations demand a well struck shot with a lot of spin but if the hole location is in the back, the ball must be played to release.

A cape hole off the tee with a green with a lot of movement in the front.

From the tee.



Zoomed in across the water.



Second shot from the safe route.



Closer in to the front of the green.



Front right corner.



Looking back down the green.




Will Lozier

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Hole 1 – Par 4 / 414 Yards

The tee shot on the first hole of the Eagle is very deceptive. It looks like there is no landing area at all but in fact there is plenty. The mistake is laying back; the player must take on the tee shot due to the difficult second shot into a two-tiered green with a false front. Once the player reaches the green the two put par is not a certainty.

Tee shot





While the remainder of the course looks quite interesting and the greens enormous fun, that first tee shot view is awful - the tree plantings on the water edge were one bad idea!

Thanks for the tour - I've been interested in this course since the seeing the LPGA event on TV!

Cheers

Bryan Izatt

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Re: TwinEagles - Eagle Course: Wild and Wacky Greens by Steve Smyers
« Reply #22 on: January 13, 2013, 08:56:47 PM »
Will,

I thought the two larger trees had been there a while.  The smaller ones are new.  I suppose they're trying to provide an additional visual block to get people to hit more away from the water.  It's reasonably wide out to the right but it sure doesn't look like it from the tee.  From personal experience I can tell you the large tree can get in the way of what looked like a pretty good drive.

I missed the CME tournament last year.  How did the ladies do?

Bryan Izatt

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Re: TwinEagles - Eagle Course: Wild and Wacky Greens by Steve Smyers
« Reply #23 on: January 13, 2013, 09:34:17 PM »
Hole 14 – Par 5 / 580 Yards

A big tee shot on this par 5 will get you home in two but be prepared for the incredibly difficult second shot. The lay-up is a fairly easy one but if you do “go for it” the green must be missed left. This will leave the player with some fun options.

From the tee.



Second shot.



Third shot from lay up right.



Chipping up from short left.



Don't miss right.



Looking back down the pizza-slice shaped green.




Bryan Izatt

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Re: TwinEagles - Eagle Course: Wild and Wacky Greens by Steve Smyers
« Reply #24 on: January 13, 2013, 09:56:25 PM »
Hole 15 – Par 4 / 501 Yards

With water left, this par 4 makes you feel that 3 wood off the tee is the play but the player must play the big tee shot to set up the short iron into the green. The fifteenth green is one that has a false front and trouble left, right and behind. Just because there are not bunkers on this hole doesn’t mean it’s a pushover.

This is the number 2 stroke hole and it's all about the length and the squarish false-fronted green.  This is no wimpy false front.

From the tee.



Second shot from right side.



From closer in.  Two false fronts divided by a ridge.  It gets very complicated if you have to go up the front and across the ridge.



From closer in.  The picture flattens the rise.  It must be at least six feet.



The green from the left side.



From the left side of the front.



Looking back down the fairway.