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Cameron DeVries

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Some Photos of Balboa Park (San Diego)
« on: January 03, 2013, 03:33:52 PM »
I spent New Years with friends in San Diego near Balboa Park Municipal, a Billy Bell design.  I've only played it a few times, but since I was a kid I've loved driving by - it's a beautiful site.  Most of these photos are taken from the road so the angles aren't very good, but they do provide an idea of the dramatic canyons the course is routed in and around.  The back nine is particularly good; it sits on a mesa with a lot of canyon holes and great views of the city and bay.  Also, after seeing the original routing plan from the "A Compilation of Routing Maps..." thread [courtesy of Greg Hohman & Ed Oden] I was able to include some photos of where the original 18th green & fairway would have been.  The land is intact (no housing, etc) and has mostly been given back to nature, but the driving range takes up some of what was once the 18th fairway...

Views of first tee & clubhouse from the car park:



An idea of the chaparral covered landscape here, with some of the back nine in view:


5th green in the center, 6th fairway in the foreground, halfway house to the left, 9th hole in background:


5th green from a different view, with the 9th beyond:


View of the 7th tee, with holes 6 & 10 beyond:


Par five 7th hole from behind the green:


Another view of the 7th hole taken from 28th street that gives an approximation of just how close the 7th green is to the street (very close):


7th hole, If you look carefully you can spot a player on the right side playing his approach (blue shirt).  He didn't come far from hitting me while I was taking this photo.  I could swear he was standing in the street trying to hit that shot:


Short par four 8th hole from tee to green, with Pershing Drive and the 9th hole beyond.  (In the original routing, this was the 7th hole - a par five played from the present 8th tee to the 9th green in the distance):


Par four 10th fairway running along the canyon, with the 11th tee beyond:


View of 10th green, sitting on canyon edge, with clubhouse and golfers on practice putting green visible in the distance to the left:


Start of the back nine, with city in the background:



I also tried to photograph the "famous" 16th hole while driving by on Pershing, but it was nearly impossible without taking my eyes off the road.  It's a poor photo but if you look closely you can see how the hole doglegs around the canyon - plus the cool view of the Coronado Bay bridge beyond:


And view of 16th green from the side:


The "lost" original par four 18th hole at Balboa, looking back to the fairway from behind the green with driving range beyond (green would have been somewhere close to the bush in the center of the photo):


Other photos from a similar angle of the land that once was the 18th hole (driving range in background).  It must have been some hole:



Original Routing Plan showing the defunct 18th hole, as well as the "lost" holes 1, 2, 3, 10, 12, 13, 16, & 17. [Hohman/Oden]


Still a great muni course, with some memorable holes and loads of charm.  It would be fun to envision a partial restoration (the bunkers on the original plan look impressive and all of the original land is still there), but realistically many of the routing changes have probably been for the better.  For example, some of the new holes utilize the canyons more strategically, not to mention the first hole was originally a short par 3. So approx. 50-60% of the course is still intact, with many other holes playing over and through original corridors.  I think Balboa was reconfigured to its current layout sometime in the 1950s or 60s, having been built in the 1920s.

It looks like the all the recent improvements to the course have been successful - course looks great and I've heard good things about the current playing conditions.  The San Diego area has to have one of the best collections of muni's in the country.  Another surprise- I've never seen the driving range looking so green!

« Last Edit: January 05, 2013, 02:13:13 PM by Cameron DeVries »
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David Harshbarger

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Re: Some Photos of Balboa Park (San Diego)
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2013, 05:15:01 PM »
Cameron, that picture of the 5th green shows the green area to be about 1/2 or even less of the pad size, judging by the location of the bunker.  Is green size reclamation in the cards there?
The trouble with modern equipment and distance—and I don't see anyone pointing this out—is that it robs from the player's experience. - Mickey Wright

Garland Bayley

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Re: Some Photos of Balboa Park (San Diego)
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2013, 05:18:43 PM »
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« Last Edit: January 05, 2013, 11:40:22 AM by GJ Bailey »
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Mike Benham

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Re: Some Photos of Balboa Park (San Diego)
« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2013, 05:45:13 PM »

GCA Paparazzi-style photos ...
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Cameron DeVries

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Re: Some Photos of Balboa Park (San Diego)
« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2013, 08:36:08 PM »
David, I'm not sure - it looks like the original green (when it was the fourth hole) was long from front to back, with average width.  But that green is very tiny now compared to the original routing plan.  Actually the right side of the original green would have been close to where that cart path is (very close to a small canyon).  That bunker originally protected the left side of the green - now it's more of a fronting trap.  Given that it has played this way for many years now, I don't think there are any plans to restore it or make it bigger.  Great idea though.

[courtesy of Mr. Hohman and Mr. Oden in the "Compilation of Routing Maps..." thread]


GJ, Thank You I've been trying to figure out how to make a proper photo tour!  This is much better-  I read some instructions on an older GCA post about how to post photos, but I must have missed a step or two.  Thanks again.

Mike, Haha yeah I took some of the photos through chain-link fence and there's that other one where I was pointing the camera at the golf course while my eyes were on the road - I worked pretty hard for some of these photos...next time I'll just hike onto the course.
« Last Edit: January 04, 2013, 08:51:05 PM by Cameron DeVries »
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Garland Bayley

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Re: Some Photos of Balboa Park (San Diego)
« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2013, 08:37:46 PM »
David, I'm not sure - it looks like the original green (when it was the fourth hole) was long from front to back, with average width.  But that green is very tiny now compared to the original routing plan.  Given that it has played this way for many years now, I don't think there are any plans to restore it or make it bigger.  Great idea though.

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj310/eko_gfl/BalboaPark.jpg

GJ, Thank You I've been trying to figure out how to make a proper photo tour!  This is much better-  I read some instructions on an older GCA post about how to post photos, but I must have missed a step or two.  Thanks again.

Mike, Haha yeah I took some of the photos through chain-link fence and there's that other one where I was pointing the camera at the golf course while my eyes were on the road - I worked pretty hard for some of these photos...next time I'll just hike onto the course.

You're a Duck, right? You guys always need help from Beavers. Now push the quote button on my previous post and see what you missed.
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Cameron DeVries

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Re: Some Photos of Balboa Park (San Diego)
« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2013, 08:48:10 PM »
And we have liftoff....thanks for the help, GJ.  Actually I am a WSU Cougar, we probably need help from both you guys.
"Progress is impossible without change, and those who cannot change their mind cannot change anything."  -George Bernard Shaw

David Harshbarger

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Re: Some Photos of Balboa Park (San Diego)
« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2013, 11:25:54 PM »
Cameron, not a Cougar but spent 8th & 9th grades in Pullman.  Miss the gopher holes on the old course! 

Best, Dave
The trouble with modern equipment and distance—and I don't see anyone pointing this out—is that it robs from the player's experience. - Mickey Wright

Garland Bayley

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Re: Some Photos of Balboa Park (San Diego)
« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2013, 11:41:17 AM »
And we have liftoff....thanks for the help, GJ.  Actually I am a WSU Cougar, we probably need help from both you guys.

Oops, sorry to have defamed you so badly.

"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Cameron DeVries

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Re: Some Photos of Balboa Park (San Diego)
« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2013, 02:04:00 PM »
David, I enjoyed that old nine hole course.  Played my first college qualifier there.  It's always fun to be able to go for the green on multiple par 4's too.  Really beautiful landscape - I'm glad they finally built Palouse Ridge to take advantage of those great rolling hills.
"Progress is impossible without change, and those who cannot change their mind cannot change anything."  -George Bernard Shaw

Pete Lavallee

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Re: Some Photos of Balboa Park (San Diego)
« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2013, 06:12:10 PM »
Cameron,

As a long time member of the Balboa Park Mens Club I find it somewhat strange that someone would go to that length to post pictures from the road! I been a GCA member for over 10 years and have never hosted anyone wanting to play our humble course. It is a fine test of golf with some beautiful views of downtown and on a clear day the Coronado Islands. If there is any weakness in your game Balboa will find it out! We are at best a Doak 3, but recent efforts by the City to catch up with deferred maintanence due to the 2008 US Open at Torrey Pines South has greatly improved the course conditions.

Your posting of the routing map is very interesting. The Club itself has no maps on display; there is a picture in the resturant of the original par 3 1st tee. I would love to know the date of that map. We have had several iterations of the course.

The 1918 design was probably done by Wilie Watson, as Billy Bell was not a practicing architect at that time. The course had dirt faiways and oiled sand greens.

The second interations is the one on your map.

In 1938 a WPA project levelled the hillside for the current 18th hole. Surely at this time the 1st, 16th and 17th were changed as well as breaking the 7th up from a par 5 to a short par4 and a par 3. Irrigation was added at this time. William Park Bell was in charge of this project.

In 1992 the City commisioned a redesign by the firm of Halsey Daray to change holes 17 and 18 specifically, to alleviate balls slicing over the fence to busy Pershing Drive. In the process all 18 greens were rebuilt to USGA standards and irrigation was updated. Unfortunately they went low bid and got what they paid for; the system began springing leaks within a few years. The whole system was replaced last year at a cost of $1MM with money donated by the USGA for the 2008 US Open. Hole 16 was restored; it had been boken up into two short par 4's. They are contemplating adding wall to wall carts paths soon.
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Matt Day

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Re: Some Photos of Balboa Park (San Diego)
« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2013, 06:41:33 PM »
Thanks for the photo's. If I get the chance to come to the golf show in three weeks time I'm going to have a game at Balboa, looks like an enjoyable muni.

How hard is it to get a game Friday afternoons?

Pete Lavallee

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Re: Some Photos of Balboa Park (San Diego)
« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2013, 09:26:35 AM »
How hard is it to get a game Friday afternoons?

Shouldn't be a problem, unless everyone else from the golf show wants to play there!
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Bruce Katona

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Re: Some Photos of Balboa Park (San Diego)
« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2013, 10:17:47 AM »
I see green fairways, blue sky, palm trees, more green vegetation and a fun looking golf course......it's January and in my neck of the woods things won't be green until late March, so it looks wonderful to me.
 

Cameron DeVries

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Re: Some Photos of Balboa Park (San Diego) New
« Reply #14 on: January 10, 2013, 03:00:13 PM »
Pete,

     Thanks very much for the reply and background info - it helps to put some pieces together for me.  I was vaguely aware of some dates (1938 WPA project) and I knew that up until the redesign in the early 20's Balboa had sand & oil greens.  But I didn't know about Willie Watson as the 1918 architect or the 1992 redesign of 17 & 18.  What were the old 17/18 holes like?  Better or worse in your opinion?   The first time I played Balboa was probably 1998 or 1999 and I have played it sporadically since then (San Diego's about a 4 hr drive), but my godparents live a few blocks on the other side of the canyon by holes 3 & 4 so I have hit balls and used that practice green many times - it always feels like home when I'm down there.  One of my memorable golf moments as a kid came at that range when I was 11, hitting my first drive over 220 yards!  It really is a special piece of land and a good course.  I have quite a few memories of coming down to San Diego and visiting, always stopping in at Balboa to marvel at the scenery and hit a few putts or range balls.  Come to think of it, Balboa Park was the first course I played that didn't come back to the clubhouse after 9 holes, so my Dad and I (planning to just play 9) were pretty confused.  Anyway, I do think the 16th hole is so good (or crazy) that it was worth trying for a photo from Pershing Drive, but maybe snapping from the road was overkill!  I am just now reading in Daniel Wexler's book 'Lost Links' that Billy Bell's redesign was done in 1921, and that the original course with oiled sand greens was done in 1915.  He's usually good with his dates and sources.  So the routing map is from another GCA thread (courtesy of Greg Hohman and Ed Oden) but I don't see a date - I would say early 1920's (1920-1923?) Until I saw it, I had no idea where the first tee used to be (right on top of the putting green it looks like).  It is fascinating to see that this course has had so many incarnations.  It makes sense that William P. Bell was also involved in the 1938 project- he was so busy in the 20's and 30's; who knows maybe his son Billy Jr. assisted (he was about 20 yrs old then)?  I hope the rest of the renovations are successful - the course does look nice from the road!  and I'm sure it plays better than it looks.

Matt,

   Glad you had a chance to check 'em out.  Even from awkward angles I think Balboa is pretty photogenic - something about all the canyons.  It is surely worth your time; in fact, one of the first things Phil Mickelson did after getting home from winning the '04 Masters was go to Balboa and get on the waiting list as a single!  He said he'd loved that course since he was a kid and couldn't wait to play it after winning at Augusta...If you do play just don't expect to return to the clubhouse after the first 9!

Bruce,

    It looks pretty wonderful to me too -  I was happy to be in San Diego this time of year.  As an aside, your post reminds me of a passage from Katsuki Sekida's book 'Zen Training':  "The beauty of nature is the manifestation of existence itself.  It is beautiful simply because it is beautiful.  To say that color is waves of light and nothing more is pointless.  Existence produces its own beauty for itself, and appreciates it by itself."  

What better than to appreciate what we have in front of us?

    

      

« Last Edit: January 10, 2013, 03:47:10 PM by Cameron DeVries »
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