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Top golf architect enlisted to design course on Jura
« on: December 31, 2012, 10:19:58 PM »
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/top-golf-architect-enlisted-to-design-course-on-jura.19561760

Top golf architect enlisted to design course on Jura
Alison Campsie
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THERE will be no clubhouse, no hotel and hardly any players but Scotland's next 18-hole golf course could be one of the best in the world.

Millionaire Australian financier Greg Coffey, who retired this year aged 41, has been consulting with the 200 residents of the Hebridean island of Jura about his plans to build the course on his recently acquired Ardfin Estate.

Official plans will be lodged with Argyll and Bute council in early January.

The course will be Scotland's first since Donald Trump's controversial development at Menie, Aberdeenshire, but those behind Mr Coffey's project are confident it will create none of the animosity witnessed in the north-east.

The Jura course will be Mr Coffey's own private retreat, to be played only by himself and selected guests, but, despite the elite nature of the development, locals appear to be broadly in favour of the project – because crucially it will create about four full-time jobs in the fragile Hebridean economy.

Willie MacDonald, estate manager at Ardfin, said the new course would be "not at all" like Mr Trump's project, with residents largely positive about Mr Coffey's plans.

He said: "It's not going to have a huge impact on the locals and although it will be built on a big piece of land, it won't be a commercial project, there will be no hotel and there will be no clubhouse.

"There will be hardly any landscaping required. Although there is a serious amount of work to be done in terms of improving the land, such as drainage, there won't be a huge level of construction involved. There will be very little visual impact either. The community are very relaxed about it.

"There is a percentage of the community who are excited about it and want to see anything on Jura that can be considered an improvement."

The course is being designed by golf architect Bob Harrison, based in Sydney, who will transform disused arable and grazing land on the old estate farm into undulating greens with sea views over to Islay and the Mull of Kintyre,

Mr Harrison, who is considered in the top 12 in his field and specialises in creating courses on poor-quality land and difficult sites, was dispatched to the island to discuss his proposals with locals.

Mr MacDonald said: "He explained what the course was about and I think people now realise, in reality, it will make very little difference to them. My understanding is that is to be a very challenging course and the intention is to build something of a very high standard."

He added: "The investment and the employment being created is far more important to residents than being able to play the course. There aren't a lot of golfers on Jura.

"One job on Jura is massive and if we are going to create three, four or even five, that is massive."

Mr Coffey, who as a hedge fund trader was nicknamed the Wizard of Oz, retired this year with an estimated fortune of £430 million. He announced in February that he was ending his 20-year career to spend more time with his wife and children.

Mr Coffey, known for his private nature, is a regular visitor to Jura but has not met locals directly about his proposals.

Mr MacDonald said: "He is very pleasant, he likes the island and enjoys coming here.

"I found him to be very genuine and I think he will fit in well with the community.

"He is not here to cause trouble. What he is here to do is take an estate that has been allowed to disintegrate and rehabilitate it into something that will be very beneficial to the island."

Some were opposed to his closure of Jura House Gardens, one of only a handful of tourist attractions on the island. Mr MacDonald said the gardens, which are still staffed, were too close to Mr Coffey's house to be open to the public, with added issues of health and safety in the grounds.

Given the scale of the golf course development, it is almost certain it will be the Scottish Government that ultimately rules on the proposals.

There won't be a huge level of construction or visual impact ... The community are very relaxed about it

Adam Lawrence

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Re: Top golf architect enlisted to design course on Jura
« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2013, 04:14:49 AM »
This was announced months ago by Darius Oliver - I wonder what has prompted the Herald to pick up on it now? Though this is the first official confirmation that it is planned to be a personal course, which is a pity. The site is right on the coastline of Jura -  the photos look spectacular.
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Jon Wiggett

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Re: Top golf architect enlisted to design course on Jura
« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2013, 05:40:53 AM »
Adam, I suspect it was a piece the journalist had prepared months ago for a day when he had either no time or no story to write. I very much doubt that this will be referred to the Scottish Executive.

Jon

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Re: Top golf architect enlisted to design course on Jura
« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2013, 12:43:44 PM »
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/top-golf-architect-enlisted-to-design-course-on-jura.19561760

Top golf architect enlisted to design course on Jura
Alison Campsie
Senior News Reporter


Mr Harrison, who is considered in the top 12 in his field and specialises in creating courses on poor-quality land and difficult sites, was dispatched to the island to discuss his proposals with locals.

Who ranks the top 12 architects?

You would think a newspaper would have to fact-check so they must have gotten it from somewhere.

Ronald Montesano

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Re: Top golf architect enlisted to design course on Jura
« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2013, 12:46:51 PM »
He was previously ranked 17th, but he cut his hair short and now his pate is fast and firm. In addition, he added some width in the shoulders to offset his reverse-hour glass body type.
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Tom_Doak

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Re: Top golf architect enlisted to design course on Jura
« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2013, 12:51:23 PM »
He was previously ranked 17th, but he cut his hair short and now his pate is fast and firm. In addition, he added some width in the shoulders to offset his reverse-hour glass body type.

So you know Bob?

Ronald Montesano

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Re: Top golf architect enlisted to design course on Jura
« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2013, 01:07:16 PM »
Nope. My new year's resolution is to inject humor into my posts. How am I doing?
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Jim_Kennedy

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Re: Top golf architect enlisted to design course on Jura
« Reply #7 on: January 01, 2013, 01:16:52 PM »
http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/cypress/golfinc_2011spring/

Here's one from GolfInc.  Harrison isn't listed, but Greg Norman is, and BH was his lead designer for 20+ years.

Golf Digest had a few 'Top 25' architect lists, but I haven't looked for them.
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Re: Top golf architect enlisted to design course on Jura
« Reply #8 on: January 01, 2013, 07:28:14 PM »
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/top-golf-architect-enlisted-to-design-course-on-jura.19561760

Top golf architect enlisted to design course on Jura
Alison Campsie
Senior News Reporter


Mr Harrison, who is considered in the top 12 in his field and specialises in creating courses on poor-quality land and difficult sites, was dispatched to the island to discuss his proposals with locals.

Who ranks the top 12 architects?

You would think a newspaper would have to fact-check so they must have gotten it from somewhere.

Who's 13th?

Fact check?
seriously?
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Ronald Montesano

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Re: Top golf architect enlisted to design course on Jura
« Reply #9 on: January 01, 2013, 07:40:48 PM »
Truly, our Australian brethren would best speak up on Bob Harrison's behalf. Looking at the GolfInc list, I was surprised to see Ron Fream's name. I'd never heard of him. For every Ron Fream, there's a Bob Harrison.
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Mac Plumart

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Re: Top golf architect enlisted to design course on Jura
« Reply #10 on: January 01, 2013, 07:45:12 PM »
Nope. My new year's resolution is to inject humor into my posts. How am I doing?

Well.  That was funny.
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David_Elvins

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Re: Top golf architect enlisted to design course on Jura
« Reply #11 on: January 01, 2013, 08:17:16 PM »
Truly, our Australian brethren would best speak up on Bob Harrison's behalf.

Not sure I want to speak on Bob's behalf, but if his work in Australia is representative of his ability then he is a very good architect.  He has probably been buffered from criticism a bit by not taking on much re-design work or low budget jobs.  

His work follows fairly classic design principles with not much in the way of gimmicks.  Hos best course is probably national Moonah which some rank as borderline top 100 in the world.  It do not think it is quite that good but at the same time, I don't think there would be many architects in the world who have built as many very good-great holes on flat swampland as Harrison.

If the stars aligned, he definitely has the potential to build one of the world's great courses.  He definitely wouldn't trash a great site, although I think the tie in shaping at National Moonah is a weakness.  

As to whether he is top 12 or not...who cares...if we analysed marketing spin and mainstream journalism of every other architect of last 100 years you would find similar statements.  


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Re: Top golf architect enlisted to design course on Jura
« Reply #12 on: January 01, 2013, 08:40:39 PM »
Truly, our Australian brethren would best speak up on Bob Harrison's behalf. Looking at the GolfInc list, I was surprised to see Ron Fream's name. I'd never heard of him. For every Ron Fream, there's a Bob Harrison.

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Re: Top golf architect enlisted to design course on Jura
« Reply #13 on: January 01, 2013, 08:46:58 PM »
I think we should all occupy Jura and demand access to rate the course.
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Joel_Stewart

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Re: Top golf architect enlisted to design course on Jura
« Reply #14 on: January 01, 2013, 08:53:19 PM »
That's an interesting list.   I disagree with Pete Dye being 1st and find it interesting they would drop Fazio to #8.

Curley and Schmidt being #5 is probably correct considering the work they do in Asia.

David_Elvins

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Re: Top golf architect enlisted to design course on Jura
« Reply #15 on: January 01, 2013, 08:57:28 PM »
I think we should all occupy Jura and demand access to rate the course.

Bob Harrison's Ellerston is also a private course and very hard to get on (although a few on here have been there).  

Are there many architects who have had two private courses on their resume?
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Re: Top golf architect enlisted to design course on Jura
« Reply #16 on: January 01, 2013, 09:07:17 PM »
David,

Tom Simpson built quite a few of them in England and France, I understand. Not sure how many (if any) have survived.

Alex Lagowitz

Re: Top golf architect enlisted to design course on Jura
« Reply #17 on: January 01, 2013, 09:12:09 PM »
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/top-golf-architect-enlisted-to-design-course-on-jura.19561760

Top golf architect enlisted to design course on Jura
Alison Campsie
Senior News Reporter


Mr Harrison, who is considered in the top 12 in his field and specialises in creating courses on poor-quality land and difficult sites, was dispatched to the island to discuss his proposals with locals.

Who ranks the top 12 architects?

You would think a newspaper would have to fact-check so they must have gotten it from somewhere.

It seems odd to me that he chose Bob Harrison, who Tom points out is not in the top 12 or top whatever, when such great architects are easily at his disposal.
I am not familiar with Mr. Harrison's work, but would be confident in saying that many more qualified architects would be open to building potentially a better golf course for a fairly cheap price considering the lack of courses being built.

David_Elvins

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Re: Top golf architect enlisted to design course on Jura
« Reply #18 on: January 01, 2013, 09:29:13 PM »
It seems odd to me that he chose Bob Harrison, who Tom points out is not in the top 12 or top whatever, when such great architects are easily at his disposal.

Alex

From what i have heard, Doak, Hanse and Coore are all fairly busy.  They are probably the only architects in the world who could be considered close to 'great' or clearly better than Harrison.


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I am not familiar with Mr. Harrison's work, but would be confident in saying that many more qualified architects would be open to building potentially a better golf course for a fairly cheap price considering the lack of courses being built.

Whilst it obviously isn't close to an authorative list, a quick look at Golf Digest's Top 100 courses outside the US shows 7 courses built by currently practicing arrchitects in the Top 35.  2 by Doak, 2 by Harrison, 2 by Kyle Phillips and 1 by Gary Player.

 I could be wrong but a quick flick through the list indicates that Harrison is the ONLY currently practicing architect with 3 courses in the Top 100 of this list.  

It's obviously not a perfect list but Harrison clearly has some runs on the board.  To suggest there are many more qualified architects in the world is ridiculous.  
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Mark_F

Re: Top golf architect enlisted to design course on Jura
« Reply #19 on: January 01, 2013, 09:51:17 PM »
It seems odd to me that he chose Bob Harrison, who Tom points out is not in the top 12 or top whatever, when such great architects are easily at his disposal.
It's not that strange really.  Coffey is from Sydney, where there is limited understanding of golf course architecture.  Look at what they have been doing to NSW as proof.


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Re: Top golf architect enlisted to design course on Jura
« Reply #20 on: January 01, 2013, 10:10:32 PM »
Had never heard of Harrison, and haven't played any of his courses, but he does have an impressive pedigree:

Bob Harrison - Golf Course Architect
 
Bob Harrison has been designing golf courses for more than 25 years. He is one of the most prolific and sought-after architects in Asia, and one of only a dozen worldwide that are ‘Quality Endorsed’ by the reputable Global Golf Group.

Harrison’s design portfolio includes world-class courses built on perfectly undulating sand dunes, on difficult flood-prone swampland and almost everything else in between. As prominent golf writer Darius Oliver once noted, ‘on great land Bob Harrison is a world-class architect but on poor land he is without peer in this business.’

Harrison’s design skill and ability to sensitively combine the needs of both golf courses and residential subdivisions has ensured the success of each of his development projects. He is best known for his work at Greg Norman Golf Course Design, where he spent more than 20 years as lead designer for the Asia-Pacific region. While working for Greg Norman Golf Course Design, he designed Ellerston and National Moonah, both ranked among Australia’s Top 6, as well as Brookwater, The Grand, Pelican Waters, The Glades and The Vintage, which all feature within Australia's Top 40.

He was also lead designer on the GNGCD projects in China, Japan, Thailand, Indonesia, and other parts of Asia. His work included Nirwana Bali, which has been described as 'The Best Golf Resort in the Pacific Rim' and is consistently ranked 'The Best Course in Asia'. It also included the routing and design drawings for Sugarloaf in Atlanta and Wente Vineyards in California.
 
Prior to working with Greg Norman Golf Course Design, Bob Harrison had been Dux at St Ignatius College in Sydney, and then studied Physics at the University of Sydney before graduating in Civil Engineering. He did his final year Thesis on a golf-residential project in conjunction with the Lend Lease Corporation, and then spent 11 years on golf-residential projects and commercial project management.

During his career Harrison has worked on beautiful natural sites and on difficult flood-prone areas. At Nirwana Bali he successfully combined the spectacular ocean-side holes with a manufactured inland landscape, which gave the impression that the holes were constructed through operating rice fields.
 
Harrison is among the most experienced architects in Asia at combining the needs of golf courses and residential subdivisions to maximise the opportunities for both. He is currently the Vice-President of the Society of Australian Golf Course Architects

"Bob Harrison is the man responsible for creating the best GNGCD Norman courses over the past 20 years, including The National’s Moonah Course, The Glades, The Vintage, The Grand, Brookwater, Club Pelican, Ellerston and Sanctuary Lakes, as well as Nirwana Bali in Indonesia and others in Asia."
Australian Golf Digest, 2009.
 

David_Elvins

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Re: Top golf architect enlisted to design course on Jura
« Reply #21 on: January 01, 2013, 10:28:33 PM »
Bob Harrison...one of only a dozen worldwide that are ‘Quality Endorsed’ by the reputable Global Golf Group.

Well, there you go, you would assume that is what the newspaper article is referencing when it describe him as one of the world's top 12 architects - Darius Oliver's opinion.  
« Last Edit: January 01, 2013, 10:40:13 PM by David_Elvins »
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Mark_F

Re: Top golf architect enlisted to design course on Jura
« Reply #22 on: January 01, 2013, 11:21:59 PM »
Bob Harrison has been designing golf courses for more than 25 years. He is one of the most prolific and sought-after architects in Asia, and one of only a dozen worldwide that are ‘Quality Endorsed’ by the reputable Global Golf Group.

Why are the global golf group reputable?

David_Elvins

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Re: Top golf architect enlisted to design course on Jura
« Reply #23 on: January 02, 2013, 02:35:32 AM »
Why are the global golf group reputable?

Mark,

Darius Oliver has regularly expressed his thoughts on golf course architecture in his writings - both on his planet golf website and in his planet golf books.  

Most people can read his work and make their mind up as to whether his opinion is worth listening to, but it is not  a stretch to suggest his work has earned him a good reputation in the golf industry, is it?  
« Last Edit: January 02, 2013, 02:40:04 AM by David_Elvins »
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Re: Top golf architect enlisted to design course on Jura
« Reply #24 on: January 02, 2013, 04:12:18 AM »
Alex,

Having spent a few days talking about golf with you and touring a great course together, that post is a poor reflection of what you have to offer and does you no favours..

Best you play some of Bob Harrison's work before you comment along those lines.

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