[Don_Mahaffey]

Anyone have a contour map with elevations of this green they can share here on GCA?

Maybe the contours have already changed, but I'm curious to the scope of work required to get within the slope percentages most often used as greens "softening" guidelines for championship play. I fear the work will be substantial if the "norm" is followed. Given recent history, I see zero evidence of a push for slower greens and surely the R & A is planning ahead beyond the next Open, and I doubt they want to be working on this green again in 5 years.

[Tom Dunne]

Don, Scott Macpherson has a detailed slope analysis of the 11th in his book, page 122. Maybe with his permission it could be scanned and reproduced here.

[Mike Nuzzo]

[Don_Mahaffey]

Guess it doesn't matter much now. All these drawings and sketches have just become part of history.
Looks like I waited too long to take my oldest children to see The Old Course. I know many will take that sort of statement as hyperbole, but that's how I feel. I honestly never thought this day would come, which was very naive on my part.

[Rob Rigg]

I never got to St Andrews, never enjoyed THAT walk as others have for almost a century.

The image that Mike posted makes me sick.

It might be living too much in the past, but this is no different than seeing a beautiful castle "modernized" or an old cathedral altered for "better light" and so on and so forth.

The machinery on the image just makes it worse - for whatever reason it seems like any work on TOC should be done with a shovel and rake and meticulous care.

I don't know why some people can't accept that certain things can and should remain as they were, or restored to what they were previously, not renovated to make them more modern.

What has happened to our game? (Maybe that's a bit over the top . . . a bit)

[Tony Ristola]

Guess it doesn't matter much now. All these drawings and sketches have just become part of history.
Looks like I waited too long to take my oldest children to see The Old Course. I know many will take that sort of statement as hyperbole, but that's how I feel. I honestly never thought this day would come, which was very naive on my part.

I don't think it's naive... who would have imagined this would happen? Never in our wildest dreams.

If someone had written a bit of fiction that included St. Andrews Old and and its golf architecture, and in the story they had woven something along these lines in it... 99.99% of folks in the know would have dismissed it as too fantastic. Too unbelievable. A dastardly bit of fantasy... and the author obviously has no idea of golf architecture or the historic value, the meaning, the sacredness of this ground... and especially the green at High (In).

Life is stranger than fiction.

It is too bad we couldn't summon those from the past for 10-minutes and a few unvarnished statements.

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