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Neil_Crafter

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Mackenzie is spinning in his grave once he heard the news.....
« on: November 26, 2012, 06:47:08 PM »
.......well seeing he wasn't buried that is unlikely, considering that his ashes topdressed Pasatiempo - but the changes proposed and now underway on the Old Course, especially the Eden, would have raised his ire.

Mackenzie wrote extensively on TOC in Spirit of St Andrews which most of us here on GCA are familiar with. But there are some rather more obscure writings that I thought I would share and I am indebted to Bob Crosby for the following.

In March of 1926 "The Field" magazine published an article written by Charles Ambrose entitled 'St Andrews and the Golf Architects'. Ambrose asked three architects, Colt, Mackenzie and Abercromby to redesign the 1st and 18th holes on TOC as if they had a free hand.

Originally Mackenzie declined to take up the opportunity, saying that:

"I do not think anyone has studied the Old Course at St Andrews more than I have, and the more I reflect the less inclined I am to alter any of the holes, and particularly the 1st and 18th"

Colt too was opposed to any changes to TOC.

Mackenzie eventually relented and drew a plan while on board ship crossing the Atlantic, but on the proviso that the two holes in question were theoretical holes not at St Andrews. He then said:

"I commenced my golfing career by wanting to remodel every hole I saw, and made many mental pictures of what I thought would be ideal holes.I deplored the fact that not even on a seaside course could I find anything like my ideal. Then, at last, I visited St Andrews and, to my great surprise, found my ideals in existence.

The Old Course is in a class by itself. Everything else comes a very bad second. If you once begin tinkering with it you will spoil it. It is as good today as it was in the days of the 'guttie'."

Jeff_Mingay

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Re: Mackenzie is spinning in his grave once he heard the news.....
« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2012, 07:05:12 PM »
Am I then to assume that Mr. Dawson and Mr. Hawtree know some things Dr. Mackenzie did not?!

Or that "things" are different in 2012 then they were in Dr. Mackenzie's days around St. Andrews?!! (Well, of course they are, the R&A has failed to properly govern the game.)

>Great post Neil, very timely<
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Mac Plumart

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Re: Mackenzie is spinning in his grave once he heard the news.....
« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2012, 07:08:36 PM »
Why does the thought of this depress me?

I'm sincerely bummed out.
Sportsman/Adventure loving golfer.

Neil_Crafter

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Re: Mackenzie is spinning in his grave once he heard the news.....
« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2012, 07:15:33 PM »
Mr Hawtree portrays himself as a Colt expert, a Mackenzie expert, even an Alex Russell expert, and no doubt expert in a few others. But how much has he actually, truly absorbed of their philosophies when both Colt and Mackenzie are on record as saying don't tinker with the Old Course!

I don't think he can use the excuse that my client asked me to do it so I'm doing it, and if I refused they'd just get another architect who would. Doesn't wash for me.

Rich Goodale

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Re: Mackenzie is spinning in his grave once he heard the news.....
« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2012, 07:20:44 PM »
What did Abercromby have to say?
Life is good.

Any afterlife is unlikely and/or dodgy.

Jean-Paul Parodi

Jeff_Mingay

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Re: Mackenzie is spinning in his grave once he heard the news.....
« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2012, 07:23:56 PM »
Mr Hawtree portrays himself as a Colt expert, a Mackenzie expert, even an Alex Russell expert, and no doubt expert in a few others. But how much has he actually, truly absorbed of their philosophies when both Colt and Mackenzie are on record as saying don't tinker with the Old Course!

I don't think he can use the excuse that my client asked me to do it so I'm doing it, and if I refused they'd just get another architect who would. Doesn't wash for me.

Neil, for gawd's sake, it's Dr. Hawtree. Not Mr. Hawtree.

The worst characterstic of a golf course architect is to be an ass-kissing b.s. 'er. Colt, Mackenzie, and Russell don't fit that bill.
jeffmingay.com

Neil_Crafter

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Re: Mackenzie is spinning in his grave once he heard the news.....
« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2012, 08:27:01 PM »
Jeff - apologies :o

Rich
Aber opposed making any changes to the first and confined himself to a suggestion of a grassy knoll at the left rear of the last green and a new bunker into the slope at the right rear.

Ambrose summarised by saying "But neither Mr Colt nor Dr Mackenzie would touch one blade of grass on the Old Course."

Jeff_Mingay

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Re: Mackenzie is spinning in his grave once he heard the news.....
« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2012, 08:31:44 PM »
Ambrose summarised by saying "But neither Mr Colt nor Dr Mackenzie would touch one blade of grass on the Old Course."

When you really think about it, why would you? Really.
jeffmingay.com

Bill_McBride

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Re: Mackenzie is spinning in his grave once he heard the news.....
« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2012, 08:36:16 PM »
Ambrose summarised by saying "But neither Mr Colt nor Dr Mackenzie would touch one blade of grass on the Old Course."

When you really think about it, why would you? Really.

Isn't that really the question about why the R & A would hire Dr Hawtree to touch not one but many?    Why would they?   What did Rory shoot, 63-80?   That's what The Old Course is really all about!

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