2013 Golfweek's Best Residential Courses

[Mark Saltzman]

http://golfweek.com/news/2012/nov/01/golfweeks-best-residential-courses-2013/

[Mark Saltzman]

Mountaintop down 6 to 9th

Hunstman Springs up 3 to 3rd

Estancia up 6 to 15

Mountain Lake up 5 to 17

Black Diamond down 6 to 21

Black Rock down 9 to 34

The Territory down 9 to 35

Johns Island West up 5 to 39

Red Ledges down 10 to 51

Talisker new entry at 60

[Alex Lagowitz]

Played Mountaintop today.
Solid golf course and some good holes.  Very fazio like golf course and overall solid, but not insane track.

The houses, on the otherhand, were very impressive.  Understandable that it be ranked so high.

[Tom_Doak]

Most of the top courses have this in common:  they were built right before the bust.  The development portion of the project is relatively unobtrusive, because not many homes have been built.

Pretty amazing to me that Rock Creek is #1 on this list, considering how little attention it gets otherwise.

[Connor Dougherty]

Most of the top courses have this in common:  they were built right before the bust.  The development portion of the project is relatively unobtrusive, because not many homes have been built.

+1

I couldn't find any rules for how they selected the courses. Did the courses have to be built after a certain year. There are a few great tracks from the golden age that were part of residential projects that, if it permitted them, should definitely be on there. Pasatiempo and Pebble Beach both come to mind, if I am not mistaken

[Keith OHalloran]

25% Tom Fazio?

[Dan Byrnes]

What about liveability or quality of the club?  I would be more interested in those criterias if choosing to live in one of these places?  Great course is certainly a bonus.

Dan

[Sev K-H Keil]

25% Tom Fazio?

Impressive 26/100

[Jim Colton]

Do they make any adjustments to account for differences in scores between Classic and Modern courses? I thought you couldn't combine them to come up with a composite list.

[Jud_T]

Do they make any adjustments to account for differences in scores between Classic and Modern courses? I thought you couldn't combine them to come up with a composite list.

Jim,

I thought they weren't that sophisticated about it and simply slapped these things together from the various lists to sell more rags...

[Jeff Shelman]

Do they make any adjustments to account for differences in scores between Classic and Modern courses? I thought you couldn't combine them to come up with a composite list.

Jim,

There are actually only two classic courses in the top 100. It's essentially a modern list.

[John Kavanaugh]

I have always felt that St. Louis C.C. was the finest residential course I have ever played.

[Jim Colton]

Do they make any adjustments to account for differences in scores between Classic and Modern courses? I thought you couldn't combine them to come up with a composite list.

Jim,

There are actually only two classic courses in the top 100. It's essentially a modern list.

Jeff, it was more of a blanket statement. Resort rankings have more mixed in.

[Doug Sobieski]

I am curious why Muirfield Village is NOT considered a residential course for the purposes of this ranking. Appears to be an oversight, given some of the others that are on the list.

[Tim Leahy]

This looks like a 1% only list. How about a list with affordable residential courses?

[Joel_Stewart]

I am curious why Muirfield Village is NOT considered a residential course for the purposes of this ranking. Appears to be an oversight, given some of the others that are on the list.

The list makes no sense?  There are houses galore at Pebble Beach, Cypress Point and even Pine Valley.  As for modern courses, Martis Camp in Lake Tahoe has more amenities then any club I have seen.

[John Kirk]

Some of the clubs near the top of the list do not satisfy the "I need a quart of milk and a dozen eggs, can I drive to the grocery store and get back in under 45 minutes?" requirement.

[John Kavanaugh]

The list consists of developments that still have lots to sell. More likely to buy ad space. Golfweek's best is what's best for Golfweek.

[Sean Leary]

I am curious why Muirfield Village is NOT considered a residential course for the purposes of this ranking. Appears to be an oversight, given some of the others that are on the list.

The list makes no sense?  There are houses galore at Pebble Beach, Cypress Point and even Pine Valley.  As for modern courses, Martis Camp in Lake Tahoe has more amenities then any club I have seen.

I assume that this list means that if you buy in the development, you have access to membership (and probably is included in many of these). Has nothing to do with houses on a course.

[Joel_Stewart]

The list consists of developments that still have lots to sell. More likely to buy ad space. Golfweek's best is what's best for Golfweek.

Makes sense.

I still question if there is a club in the US with as many quality amenities as Martis Camp?  You have to see it to believe it, the bowling alley, private ski lift, multiple lodges, yacht on Lake Tahoe, kids areas, is unbelievable. 

Amenities Of Martis Camp Club

The Camp Lodge with formal and casual dining venues and terraces, fitness center, club day spa, men’s and ladies’ locker rooms, outdoor lap pool, soaking and jetted tubs, and golf shop

The Family Barn with art loft, bowling lanes, 44-seat theater, summer swimming venue, indoor basketball court, performance stage/outdoor amphitheater and soda fountain.

18-hole golf course designed by Tom Fazio

18-hole Putting Park designed by Dick Bailey

Park Pavilion and Sports Field with croquet, bocce ball, sand volleyball, basketball, labyrinth, horseshoes, play structures, family grill area, fire pits and outdoor seating

Over 20 miles of community trails, for hiking and biking in the summer and groomed cross country skiing and snowshoeing in the winter (winter conditions allowing)

Lost Library with a classic book collection for all ages and interests, community garden, turf area with children’s play area,  horse shoes and northern trailhead for community trails

Lookout Lodge, ski lodge at the base of Lookout Mountain with lounge, sun deck, boot and ski/board storage and direct ski access to Northstar California Resort via the Martis Camp Express lift

Tennis Pavilion with four courts, two clay and two hard surface

[Rob Rigg]

These ratings are super confusing - Some courses are glaringly over-rated while others are, shockingly, glaringly under-rated, even amongst the same architect. Seems like a bunch of "hard to get to" courses are really high, while superior "close to a city" courses are lower than their quality would suggest.

One thing the list certainly indicates, how many of the golf communities were finished 4 to 7 years ago and basically top ticked the market before it rolled. Also, how a bunch of these courses still have no homes even though they were finished in the early 2k's.

Proof that if you build it, even if it is a decent course, they may not show up.

[Steve_ Shaffer]

I like the comment above that these courses are , for the most part, for the 1% out there.

I think I'll start a thread for Best Residential Courses For The Rest of Us. I've got a few in mind so I'll develop a list. This will give me a project - something to do when I'm not playing golf in my retirement.  :-)

[Brad Wilbur]

Coyote Springs is only "in theory" a residential course.  Zero houses built or started since it's 2008 opening.  I guess the raters didn't consider if they could, or would want to live there.

[JLahrman]

Upon reading the title of the thread, my initial thought was "WTF is a 'residential' course"?

I waited to see a few replies pile up. Good to see that others are confused.

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