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Ran Morrissett

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« on: October 12, 2012, 08:42:28 AM »
... under Architecture Timeline & Courses by Country.

What are the top golf states in the United States?

New York, California, Massachusetts, Ohio, and Pennsylvania are givens. Oregon is almost by itself with its famous cluster of four plus the revamped Waverley. Next, most people would lobby loudly for New Jersey and then Michigan, Illinois, the Carolinas, and Florida. Texas has come a long way too in recent times.

But what about Wisconsin?

Milwaukee CC, Blue Mound, Lawsonia, the courses at Kohler, Erin Hills, and North Shore are a formidably diverse group (and diversity keeps me from mentioning Arizona above). The top 7 or 8 in Wisconsin (I hear the Bull at Pinehurst Farms is strong too) is quite a set and surely deserves to be somewhere in that second set of states. Though few think of it in those terms, that would mean Wisconsin ranks in the top 10 states in the country for golf.

Such an argument couldn’t have been made just twenty years ago as Milwaukee CC, Blue Mound, and North Shore (the latter of which I haven’t seen but Bruce Hepner raves about) were materially worse and Erin Hills and Whistling Straits didn’t even exist. A lot has changed in Packer Land in a short time and all for the best.

Seeing Blue Mound now for the first time makes me appreciate the accuracy of the prior posts in this Discussion Group that chronicled its renaissance. For sure, it joins the list of must-see Raynor courses. Of course, given Bruce Hepner’s involvement, no one should be surprised. For my taste, no single architect has performed restoration work at more neat places in the past decade than Bruce – places like CC of Fairfield, Cape Arundel, Oyster Harbors, Rhode Island CC, Canterbury, Essex County (MA), Holston Hills, Ekwanok, Shoreacres, the list goes on and on.

At Blue Mound, his efforts have been combined with impressive green keeping. This is especially important as few, if any, architects, built/created more ground game options than Seth Raynor. Here, all his open greens and high slopes can be used to great effect. Since Tim Venes's appointment in 2003 as Green Keeper, ~1 acre of short grass has been reclaimed around the greens. In addition, the putting surfaces were blown back out to the edges of Raynor’s famous fill pads, increasing the putting surfaces by ~1 acre as well. That’s A LOT of short grass and it all plays firm. (Compare this to the abysmal use of rough at Bethpage Black with its artificially narrow fairways and bunkers well removed from play and you tell me which design sparkles.) Fast running short grass layered on top of Raynor’s kick banks and punchbowl features produces a big time winner of a golf course at Blue Mound where members are always guaranteed to have fun.

I am not sure what architect has/had the highest batting average (i.e. what architect unfailingly produced a course that is a joy to play)? The usual cast of suspects would apply but right in that mix – and near the top, if not the top – would be Seth Raynor.

The very fortunate members of Blue Mound and their lucky guests are once again freshly reminded of that fact.
 
Cheers,
« Last Edit: October 12, 2012, 08:49:19 AM by Ran Morrissett »

Jim Eder

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« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2012, 11:02:57 AM »
Ran,

Thank you very much for highlighting this very special golf course. The PGA Championship was held here in 1933 won by none other than Gene Sarazen.

I spent a lot of time on this golf course as a youth and it stoked my desire and love of golf and of great golf courses. As you rightly point out, the greens are superb in design and conditioning, the bunkering exquisite, and the layout divine. I honestly do not believe there is a weak hole on the course. The fairly recent work is brilliant and really opens up the greatness of the design and course as you rightly point out. Sadly, technology has changed the approach shot clubs but the course still holds its own due to the splendid greens and greensites. Imagine playing 2 into a cold north wind with old technology and a spinning balata ball to that back right pin and 3. Let alone 12.

The Pro before Barry was Russ Tuveson who played a few tour events back in the day and would tell some great stories. I especially liked the Bobby Locke stories.

I was playing with another youth (who is now a PGA professional) one day and we came to 17. It was playing into a strong wind and he chose a fairway wood for his shot.  He mis-hit it and it hit the front of the tee, skipped over the creek, rolled up the short grass and into the hole for his first hole in one. A memory that will last forever. The par 3s are truly brilliant as you point out.

A sidenote, Kareem Abdul Jabbar lived just behind the 9th green when he played for the Bucks.

Thank you for highlighting one very special golf course that hopefully everyone will get a chance to enjoy. It is well worth it!!

Jim

RJ_Daley

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« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2012, 12:14:31 PM »
We'll have to ask Lynn Shack if he ever visited his old team mate and slipped out the back door for a quick round!  ;) ;D

Besides the great par 3s, that seem to me to be among the most authentic or ideally replicated templates, I love the double plateau 2nd, and the funky-fun punchbowl  8th.  The first Redanish green, unexpectedly at the end of a handshake opening first par 4, and a nicely oriented within the routing 'stragegy' 6th, and 'hogsback' 12th are memorable holes.

I've only played twice and attended one Wisconsin State Am there.  I haven't played or seen it in what I'd consider the best firm and fast ideal condition, and can only imagine how great that would be.

The Bing birdseye shows the crisp Raynor geometric lines of the course:

http://binged.it/UQCpC3
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Jim Eder

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« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2012, 12:51:13 PM »
The 7th green has a kind of bowl in the green which is pretty cool and then the wonderful punchbowl 8th. Brilliant.

The fall (and sometimes the early spring when the ground was still frozen) was always a great time to enjoy the firm and fast conditions and they were amazing!!  Totally different course and one really had to think to get around. Fantastic.

RJ_Daley

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« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2012, 02:05:19 PM »
Milwaukee is really blessed with two of the great city country clubs in the country IMHO.  Milwaukee CC and BMCC are just as good as it gets for the true golden age classic member golf courses and clubs.  It is wonderful that their club leaderships have gone through a re-awakening and realization of just how good their courses are and in BMs case, how far it had gotten away from the gift the original architect had given them.  I think MCC probably had better on-going oversight and adherence to the original architecture's merits.  But now, both clubs really have a sense of stewardship to maintain and present the jewels of golf that they are. 

While BMCC was the second qualifying course for recent US Am, and MCC had a recent Mid Am, I'd love to see these two clubs paired again in perhaps a US Senior Am, or Senior Open, with the two clubs both used for half the rounds contested.  Such might be a nod to nostalgia of the classic design era.  And, both would hold up just fine in Senior competition, even at the highest level, IMHO. 
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PCCraig

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« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2012, 03:49:26 PM »
Ran,

What a terrific write-up, thanks for posting.

I had the pleasure of playing Blue Mound a couple years ago and enjoyed it very much. The stretch of holes from 7-9 are just awesome and the green complexes are really fun. I remember thinking that the course would be eaten alive by the flat-bellies in the US Am, but the scoring was shockingly high for what is (by modern standards) a short course.

Barry, the Head Professional, is about as nice as they come and really knows his Raynor!

Wisconsin is a very underrated State when it comes to golf courses. Erin Hills and the Kohler Courses get a lot of press, but BMGCC, Milwaukee, Lawsonia, North Shore, Brown Deer, Big Fish, etc... give the State some serious bench strength.
H.P.S.

John Kirk

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« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2012, 02:51:48 AM »
Ran,

Thanks for the tour.  The pictures suggest the course is quite subtle, despite the dramatic green surrounds.  Looks easy to walk and fun to play.

Ronald Montesano

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« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2012, 01:10:46 PM »
Hepner...Troy...Hepner...Troy...Must be mentioned if Bruce's name is invoked.
Coming in 2024
~Elmira Country Club
~Soaring Eagles
~Bonavista
~Indian Hills
~Maybe some more!!

John Mayhugh

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« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2012, 11:02:55 PM »
Barry, the Head Professional, is about as nice as they come and really knows his Raynor!

That's for sure.  I really enjoyed my visit there.

Another great profile.  I can always count on Ran to point out some features that I didn't see.

Phil McDade

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« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2012, 08:20:14 AM »

Wisconsin is a very underrated State when it comes to golf courses. Erin Hills and the Kohler Courses get a lot of press, but BMGCC, Milwaukee, Lawsonia, North Shore, Brown Deer, Big Fish, etc... give the State some serious bench strength.

So, I have to ask....(and Ran does so as well in his write-up to this thread): When folks mention "North Shore," are they referencing the 27-hole course in the northern Milwaukee suburbs (North Shore Country Club) or the 18-hole course (North Shore Golf Club) quite literally on the north shore of Lake Winnebago, near Appleton?

I honestly don't hear much about North Shore Country Club -- as a piece of architecture -- around here. North Shore Golf Club, meanwhile, enjoys something of a cult-like status in these parts: a course very few folks I know have played, but the ones who have rave about it (and Doak's Renaissance Group has done work there). Just wondering; I have yet to see either one.


PCCraig

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« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2012, 09:45:50 AM »

Wisconsin is a very underrated State when it comes to golf courses. Erin Hills and the Kohler Courses get a lot of press, but BMGCC, Milwaukee, Lawsonia, North Shore, Brown Deer, Big Fish, etc... give the State some serious bench strength.

So, I have to ask....(and Ran does so as well in his write-up to this thread): When folks mention "North Shore," are they referencing the 27-hole course in the northern Milwaukee suburbs (North Shore Country Club) or the 18-hole course (North Shore Golf Club) quite literally on the north shore of Lake Winnebago, near Appleton?

I honestly don't hear much about North Shore Country Club -- as a piece of architecture -- around here. North Shore Golf Club, meanwhile, enjoys something of a cult-like status in these parts: a course very few folks I know have played, but the ones who have rave about it (and Doak's Renaissance Group has done work there). Just wondering; I have yet to see either one.



Phil,

I was referring to North Shore Golf Club. It's a really neat golf course that should get more attention when people talk about Wisconsin Golf. It's pretty close to both Lawsonia and Kohler, so if you're in the area and can get access it's worth the side trip.
H.P.S.

Ted Sturges

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« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2012, 11:26:52 AM »
Ran,

Great profile and great pics!

Cudos to Bruce Hepner.  Any club would be well served to have Bruce assist them with renovation work.  The work at Blue Mound looks fantastic.  Can't wait to get there.

TS

RJ_Daley

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« Reply #12 on: October 15, 2012, 12:25:11 PM »
Combining the North Shore and Bruce Hepner themes of this thread, I'd have to say that my rare glimpse of the renovation work done by BH at North Shore both while he was planning it and seeing the after work results was a treat for a person like myself who was interested in the design-construction talent of Hepner, and the turf maintenance practices of one of the best, their superintendent Scott Schaller.

Hepner's work, using workers from Schaller's staff, is in my view one of the most exquisite jobs of fancy bunkering I've seen.  The course is not very contoured, and only a few areas of elevation changes across water courses and a few hillocks.  Most fairways are flatish.  But the placement and the artistic lacy and cuppy bunker design incorporated by BH make this course really shine.  It has been several years already since I saw it.  It could have still used a bit of tree trimming in my view.  I assume that under Schaller's care, it can only continue to be among the best in conditioning, and perhaps more trimming.   

Back in the 90s, I remember seeing a couple of years where the Packers coaches (Infante and Rhodes) were having a yearly coaches invitational for fund raising for a 'Coaches Charity'.  That is the only time I remember any sort of public attention paid to North Shore.  I have a fairly good circle of golf friends and acquaintances around here, and I don't know anyone who has played at North Shore and most in this very area don't know about it.  It just seems to be one of those clubs that is very insular and don't extend out much on the publicity side. Yet they have a website:

http://www.nsgolfclub.com/northshoregolf/home/club+history/default.asp

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Mike Wagner

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« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2012, 09:14:16 PM »
Ran,

Thanks for posting this.  Your brother John is well aware of my fondness for Blue Mound.  It's on a very short list of courses I would love to play every day.

Great walk, amazing greens - pure fun.

Mike McGuire

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« Reply #14 on: October 16, 2012, 11:59:41 PM »
I have never seen Mr. Hepner post here but always wanted to ask him if the politics of the club forced him to build such benign fairway bunkers.

The greens are amazing, and tree removal has really helped but I don't think Seth Raynor would have built fairway bunkers that an old man could easily run his ball through.

jeffwarne

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« Reply #15 on: October 17, 2012, 01:21:38 PM »
I have never seen Mr. Hepner post here but always wanted to ask him if the politics of the club forced him to build such benign fairway bunkers.

The greens are amazing, and tree removal has really helped but I don't think Seth Raynor would have built fairway bunkers that an old man could easily run his ball through.

Those bunkers look pretty tough with flat bottoms limiting elevation and rough covered high faces.
Which old men are you referring to? They must be good ;D ;D
"Let's slow the damned greens down a bit, not take the character out of them." Tom Doak
"Take their focus off the grass and put it squarely on interesting golf." Don Mahaffey

Ran Morrissett

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« Reply #16 on: October 20, 2012, 09:22:32 AM »
Mike,

I was traveling this week and came back to your post and an email from Bruce, which I am printing here with his permisssion:

For the record, Mr. McGuire needs to take this issue up with Mr. Raynor. The bunker restoration project was merely an exercise in restoring the sod faces of every the bunker.  We intentional did not disturb the height and or horizon of any of the bunkers. They were left untouched as Seth Raynor had built them. We only rolled the sod face back down to the floor and also replaced all the sand.  The small hand full of bunkers that were shifted were well documented and kept within the original dimensions. If you notice, the fairways are relatively flat, so Raynor chose to keep the bunkers within scale building them above grade. This site lends very little opportunity to create the epic deep bunker that are typical built into hill sides.  Holes 8 and 9 are the only cases where he had relief to do so. So, if Mike McGuire has issue with any of the fairway bunkers, I respectfully defer him to a higher power.

Cheers,

Kyle Harris

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« Reply #17 on: October 20, 2012, 09:30:49 AM »
Mike,

I was traveling this week and came back to your post and an email from Bruce, which I am printing here with his permisssion:

For the record, Mr. McGuire needs to take this issue up with Mr. Raynor. The bunker restoration project was merely an exercise in restoring the sod faces of every the bunker.  We intentional did not disturb the height and or horizon of any of the bunkers. They were left untouched as Seth Raynor had built them. We only rolled the sod face back down to the floor and also replaced all the sand.  The small hand full of bunkers that were shifted were well documented and kept within the original dimensions. If you notice, the fairways are relatively flat, so Raynor chose to keep the bunkers within scale building them above grade. This site lends very little opportunity to create the epic deep bunker that are typical built into hill sides.  Holes 8 and 9 are the only cases where he had relief to do so. So, if Mike McGuire has issue with any of the fairway bunkers, I respectfully defer him to a higher power.

Cheers,

Get 'em, Bruce.

:)

Mike McGuire

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« Reply #18 on: October 20, 2012, 12:31:42 PM »
Mike,

I was traveling this week and came back to your post and an email from Bruce, which I am printing here with his permisssion:

For the record, Mr. McGuire needs to take this issue up with Mr. Raynor. The bunker restoration project was merely an exercise in restoring the sod faces of every the bunker.  We intentional did not disturb the height and or horizon of any of the bunkers. They were left untouched as Seth Raynor had built them. We only rolled the sod face back down to the floor and also replaced all the sand.  The small hand full of bunkers that were shifted were well documented and kept within the original dimensions. If you notice, the fairways are relatively flat, so Raynor chose to keep the bunkers within scale building them above grade. This site lends very little opportunity to create the epic deep bunker that are typical built into hill sides.  Holes 8 and 9 are the only cases where he had relief to do so. So, if Mike McGuire has issue with any of the fairway bunkers, I respectfully defer him to a higher power.

Cheers,

Mr. Hepner

Thanks for clearing this up. It has been something I've wondered about for some time.

Just returned from Grandsons baptism to see your response. I know the Priest is a golfer so perhaps missed a chance to kick this upstairs.

I am extremely happy to be wrong on this issue. Bluemound is super cool, my favorite course in the Milwaukee area.
« Last Edit: October 20, 2012, 12:50:24 PM by Mike McGuire »

Mark Bourgeois

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« Reply #19 on: October 21, 2012, 10:20:54 PM »
Just curious: how does the club know fairway bunker depths are the same today? Do Raynor's plans or ground level photos from construction / opening exist? Those would be cool to see!

Beautiful looking course. I found a 1937 aerial and compared it to today's course: http://golfcoursehistories.com/BM.html

I would love to learn more about the 6th as it appeared in 1937 -- I think it's the 6th: the hole to the left of Short. Was that the original hole? How did it intend to play?

Tom_Doak

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« Reply #20 on: October 21, 2012, 10:25:45 PM »
Just curious: how does the club know fairway bunker depths are the same today? Do Raynor's plans or ground level photos from construction / opening exist? Those would be cool to see!


Mark:

Often on Raynor's courses you can find the original depth of the bunkers just by digging.  He liked to put a layer of cinders on the floor of his bunkers.  We've found those layers at Camargo and other courses while doing restoration work.  I wasn't at Blue Mound when Bruce was working there so I don't know if they dug around to check, but if they put new sand in the bunkers I bet they did.

Mike Hendren

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« Reply #21 on: October 22, 2012, 10:03:17 AM »
Tom, why cinders?  Perhaps to mark/memorialize the original floor or to protect the sand from dirt?

Mike
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