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ed_getka

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Myrtle Beach and Hilton Head best values?
« on: October 15, 2012, 01:31:34 PM »
I am heading down to SC this week for the Dixie Cup. I'm going to play Thursday morning. I am thinking Caledonia due to all the positive comments I've read over the years. Green fee is $160. What are the top 3 values in Myrtle Beach and Hilton Head respectively in your opinion? Public access only please.
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J_ Crisham

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Re: Myrtle Beach and Hilton Head best values?
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2012, 01:37:39 PM »
Ed,  Lots of options in both areas, at Palmetto Dunes(HH) you have 3 good but not great courses. Obviously in Sea Pines you have Harbor Town- I really enjoyed playing it although conditioning was marginal and as I recall it was pricey-200ish. Great shotmakers course with very good set of par 3's. Haven't been to Myrtle in 15 years- so many options as I recall.
                                           Wish you well,  Jack

ed_getka

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Re: Myrtle Beach and Hilton Head best values?
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2012, 01:52:04 PM »
Jack,
   Thanks for the feedback.  I guess a better question is what is better than Caledonia and it's $160 green fee? Either in Myrtle Beach and/or HH.
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J_ Crisham

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Re: Myrtle Beach and Hilton Head best values?
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2012, 02:30:30 PM »
Ed,
                     In Myrtle, Tidewater was pretty solid as was The Pearl,Marsh Harbour, and Oyster Bay.You would have to check on pricing but I would struggle to pay more than $100 for any of these- so much to choose from. In this economy I have to believe it turns into let's make a deal.

Tim Gavrich

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Re: Myrtle Beach and Hilton Head best values?
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2012, 02:36:05 PM »
Ed--

My top-value recommendation would be the Avocet course at Wild Wing Plantation, designed by GCAer Jeff Brauer. I will say that a number of courses are overseeding their fairways this week, so it may be the case that where you play will be cart path only. I'd ask that question while you're calling around.

Cheers.

--Tim
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Andrew Lewis

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Re: Myrtle Beach and Hilton Head best values?
« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2012, 02:42:17 PM »
If you have time to play 36, Caledonia and True Blue typically have a combo package that gets the cost per round down a bit.

In the Myrtle Beach area, I have always enjoyed the Doak course (Heathland) at the Legends complex, as well as Willbrook Plantation and Pawley's Plantation, which is sorta polarizing on this board due to the couple do-or-die par 3's.  I believe the former runs around $75, and the latter both are closer to $100.


ed_getka

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Re: Myrtle Beach and Hilton Head best values?
« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2012, 02:49:29 PM »
Ed--

My top-value recommendation would be the Avocet course at Wild Wing Plantation, designed by GCAer Jeff Brauer. I will say that a number of courses are overseeding their fairways this week, so it may be the case that where you play will be cart path only. I'd ask that question while you're calling around.

Cheers.

--Tim
Thanks for the advice. I haven't played one of Jeff's courses yet so I will check into this one. The cartpath thing won't matter since I don't ride typically anyway.
"Perimeter-weighted fairways", The best euphemism for containment mounding I've ever heard.

A.G._Crockett

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Re: Myrtle Beach and Hilton Head best values?
« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2012, 02:49:58 PM »
If you have time to play 36, Caledonia and True Blue typically have a combo package that gets the cost per round down a bit.

In the Myrtle Beach area, I have always enjoyed the Doak course (Heathland) at the Legends complex, as well as Willbrook Plantation and Pawley's Plantation, which is sorta polarizing on this board due to the couple do-or-die par 3's.  I believe the former runs around $75, and the latter both are closer to $100.



To piggyback on this just a bit, play True Blue in the am at full price, the Caledonia in the pm on the replay rate.  That brings the cost down just a bit, and you get Caledonia when it is less crowded to boot.
"Golf...is usually played with the outward appearance of great dignity.  It is, nevertheless, a game of considerable passion, either of the explosive type, or that which burns inwardly and sears the soul."      Bobby Jones

ed_getka

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Re: Myrtle Beach and Hilton Head best values?
« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2012, 02:50:28 PM »
If you have time to play 36, Caledonia and True Blue typically have a combo package that gets the cost per round down a bit.

In the Myrtle Beach area, I have always enjoyed the Doak course (Heathland) at the Legends complex, as well as Willbrook Plantation and Pawley's Plantation, which is sorta polarizing on this board due to the couple do-or-die par 3's.  I believe the former runs around $75, and the latter both are closer to $100.


   Thanks for the advice. I will put these on the list.
"Perimeter-weighted fairways", The best euphemism for containment mounding I've ever heard.

A.G._Crockett

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Re: Myrtle Beach and Hilton Head best values?
« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2012, 02:52:32 PM »
Ed--

My top-value recommendation would be the Avocet course at Wild Wing Plantation, designed by GCAer Jeff Brauer. I will say that a number of courses are overseeding their fairways this week, so it may be the case that where you play will be cart path only. I'd ask that question while you're calling around.

Cheers.

--Tim
Thanks for the advice. I haven't played one of Jeff's courses yet so I will check into this one. The cartpath thing won't matter since I don't ride typically anyway.

Ed,
Sorry to say, you WILL ride at MB.  There are very few courses that allow walking at all, and those typically only in the pm.
"Golf...is usually played with the outward appearance of great dignity.  It is, nevertheless, a game of considerable passion, either of the explosive type, or that which burns inwardly and sears the soul."      Bobby Jones

ed_getka

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Re: Myrtle Beach and Hilton Head best values?
« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2012, 02:54:54 PM »
A.G.,
   Thanks for the heads up on carts. I guess I won't be making many trips to MB. Forcing carts is stupid in most cases. How many courses are so busy that play is going to get backed up while someone walks a long way from green to tee? I have run many marathons in my day and the only course I have ever walked that I regretted was the RTJ Jr course on Kauai. I don't even care if I don't get a discount for walking, I just want to get into a golfing flow and carts generally preclude that. I'll see what happens.
« Last Edit: October 15, 2012, 02:59:34 PM by ed_getka »
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Mark Pritchett

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Re: Myrtle Beach and Hilton Head best values?
« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2012, 03:02:50 PM »
Clyde Johnston's Old South Golf Links should fit the bill nicely.  Fun course. 

A.G._Crockett

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Re: Myrtle Beach and Hilton Head best values?
« Reply #12 on: October 15, 2012, 03:12:53 PM »
A.G.,
   Thanks for the heads up on carts. I guess I won't be making many trips to MB. Forcing carts is stupid in most cases. How many courses are so busy that play is going to get backed up while someone walks a long way from green to tee? I have run many marathons in my day and the only course I have ever walked that I regretted was the RTJ Jr course on Kauai. I don't even care if I don't get a discount for walking, I just want to get into a golfing flow and carts generally preclude that. I'll see what happens.

Ed,
I agree, and each year about a third of the total rounds I ride are in my one week at MB.  In fairness to the MB courses, there are some VERY long walks from green to tee because of wetlands.  Plus the revenue stream at resort courses is, of course, hugely dependent on cart fees; there are no dues and traffic varies hugely throughout the year.  But I've often wondered why more courses there don't give you the walking option at the same price as riding; seem like a no-brainer, but few do it that I know of.
"Golf...is usually played with the outward appearance of great dignity.  It is, nevertheless, a game of considerable passion, either of the explosive type, or that which burns inwardly and sears the soul."      Bobby Jones

A.G._Crockett

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Re: Myrtle Beach and Hilton Head best values?
« Reply #13 on: October 15, 2012, 03:18:43 PM »
One additional thought if you are headed to MB not on a package of some sort.  Most courses there are now part of a group of several courses for management and booking purposes.  Call the places that you want to play, and see if there is a multi-round deal that might save you some money.  The Legends always has something like that going on, as does the Barefoot Landing group.  (Don't think the Barefoot courses have been mentioned yet; the Love Course is a must-play, the Dye Course very good, the Fazio Course is a yawn, and the Norman Course is to be avoided. At the Legends, play Heathland and Parkland; the Moorland is PB Dye and really goofy, IMO.)

I also pick up the MB Sun everyday and look for ads for specials.  That doesn't decide where I will play, but it can soften the blow a bit at particular times of the year. 
"Golf...is usually played with the outward appearance of great dignity.  It is, nevertheless, a game of considerable passion, either of the explosive type, or that which burns inwardly and sears the soul."      Bobby Jones

Bart Bradley

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Re: Myrtle Beach and Hilton Head best values?
« Reply #14 on: October 15, 2012, 09:51:40 PM »
Ed:

If I were going back to Myrtle Beach, I would call Brian at Golf Desk.  He will get you the best package deal possible and he can arrange any of the Strand courses.  You will save money and time.  I highly recommend his services. 

Bart

Michael Whitaker

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Re: Myrtle Beach and Hilton Head best values?
« Reply #15 on: October 15, 2012, 10:31:12 PM »
The same day combo rate at True Blue and Caledonia is currently $229. Both courses will gladly let you walk.

October is the 2nd most expensive month to play golf in Hilton Head or the Grand Strand. April is the most expensive.
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Jerry Kluger

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Re: Myrtle Beach and Hilton Head best values?
« Reply #16 on: October 16, 2012, 07:39:02 AM »
Ed: I really liked the Love, Fazio and Dye courses at Barefoot.  The pro at the Dye course was flexible in pricing and we got a really good replay rate.  I have heard that May River is better than any of them.

Jud_T

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Re: Myrtle Beach and Hilton Head best values?
« Reply #17 on: October 16, 2012, 08:37:22 AM »
Ed,

I'd say Legends Heathlands is the best value and perhaps my favorite course I've played in MB.  3 nights, 3 rounds including breakfast and lunch starting at $395 can't be beat, although I'd play all 3 rounds at the Heathlands and skip the other two tracks.  Personally, I was underwhelmed by Barefoot Love and Caledonia, however I thought the TPC Myrtle was a surprisingly good Fazio which I think you can add to your package at the Legends for an upcharge.  If you're down in the Pawley's Island area make sure to stop here:

http://www.hogheaveninc.com/
« Last Edit: October 16, 2012, 08:51:06 AM by Jud Tigerman »
Golf is a game. We play it. Somewhere along the way we took the fun out of it and charged a premium to be punished.- - Ron Sirak

Tim Martin

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Re: Myrtle Beach and Hilton Head best values?
« Reply #18 on: October 16, 2012, 08:59:54 AM »
Ed- See if you can get on Wexford in HH. You won't be disappointed.

ed_getka

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Re: Myrtle Beach and Hilton Head best values?
« Reply #19 on: October 16, 2012, 09:31:00 AM »
Thanks for all the advice gents. I have a nice list of courses to check out now. I won't be going there for any extended trips so no need for packages. The only extended golf trips I make are with GCA'ers.
"Perimeter-weighted fairways", The best euphemism for containment mounding I've ever heard.

Brent Hutto

Re: Myrtle Beach and Hilton Head best values?
« Reply #20 on: October 16, 2012, 10:27:12 AM »
I don't suppose there's any way you could make your stop in Charleston rather than Myrtle Beach or Hilton Head?

There are some private options you may be able to arrange to play that are very compelling.

I also like the recommendation of Old South in Bluffton which I enjoyed very, very much.

Jay Flemma

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Re: Myrtle Beach and Hilton Head best values?
« Reply #21 on: October 16, 2012, 11:16:42 AM »
Caledonia, True Blue, and the Dunes.
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ed_getka

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Re: Myrtle Beach and Hilton Head best values?
« Reply #22 on: October 16, 2012, 02:37:44 PM »
Ed,

I'd say Legends Heathlands is the best value and perhaps my favorite course I've played in MB.  3 nights, 3 rounds including breakfast and lunch starting at $395 can't be beat, although I'd play all 3 rounds at the Heathlands and skip the other two tracks.  Personally, I was underwhelmed by Barefoot Love and Caledonia, however I thought the TPC Myrtle was a surprisingly good Fazio which I think you can add to your package at the Legends for an upcharge.  If you're down in the Pawley's Island area make sure to stop here:

http://www.hogheaveninc.com/
Jud,
    What about Caledonia underwhelmed you? I have played 3 of Mike's courses: MPCC Shore, Tobacco Road, and Tot Hill Farm. I haven't liked a short par 4 at any of them and his par 3's are okay to very good. Good par 5's IMO. Tot Hill Farm is horrible. I've always heard good things about Caledonia so I am very intrigued to hear what you didn't care for there.
« Last Edit: October 16, 2012, 08:19:20 PM by ed_getka »
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Jud_T

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Re: Myrtle Beach and Hilton Head best values?
« Reply #23 on: October 16, 2012, 05:10:02 PM »
Ed,

It was my first Strantz.  It was a while ago and I only played it once with my son, so I apologize for not having a more thorough recollection.  I just remember thinking he did a pretty good job with what he was given but that there simply wasn't enough real estate there.  As I recall, it was not very generous off the tee and fairly penal, so it just wasn't a whole lot of fun for my mediocre game, particularly without any local knowledge or a caddie.  Maybe I just want to be able to hit Driver occasionally without feeling as though I'm threading a needle.  It's very scenic so if your preference is for pretty golf courses it's a must play, otherwise I'd say your money is better spent elsewhere.  I'd say Ron Whitten sums up my feelings pretty accurately here:

http://www.golfdigest.com/golf-courses/2011-02/face-off-caledonia-golf-club
« Last Edit: October 16, 2012, 05:24:14 PM by Jud Tigerman »
Golf is a game. We play it. Somewhere along the way we took the fun out of it and charged a premium to be punished.- - Ron Sirak

A.G._Crockett

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Re: Myrtle Beach and Hilton Head best values?
« Reply #24 on: October 16, 2012, 06:02:55 PM »
Sorry to see negative feedback on any Strantz courses, but it isn't uncommon.  But Caledonia would typically be one of the least controversial courses he did.  It is just a magnificent course in a magnificent setting, and deserving of every Top 100 list on which it appears. 

True Blue just across the street is much more likely to get negative reactions, though IMO if you pick the correct tees (3rd set instead of the second for most single digits) it is just a wonderful golf course.  I have written here many times that to see Caledonia and True Blue, which could not be more different from one another, almost on adjoining property and realize that the same man designed both gives an appreciation of GCA and artistry that few other 36 hole days can match.

It isn't near the coast, of course, but Tot Hill is likely the worst piece of land Strantz worked on.  That said, I think Tot Hill is far, far above average and classic Strantz in that he makes it look far, far more difficult than it plays.  I've played Tot Hill three or four times and would jump at the chance to go again, as I would with any of his courses.
"Golf...is usually played with the outward appearance of great dignity.  It is, nevertheless, a game of considerable passion, either of the explosive type, or that which burns inwardly and sears the soul."      Bobby Jones

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