[Peter Pallotta]

I think some people hate me because I make the game look so easy.

[Kalen Braley]

Hate indeed is a very strong word. I have an extremely intense dislike for golfers who do not the staff well.

Ira

I "hate" those who don't proof read thier posts! 

[Ira Fishman]

Hate indeed is a very strong word. I have an extremely intense dislike for golfers who do not the staff well.

Ira

I "hate" those who don't proof read thier posts! 

*treat


Well played.


Ira

[John Kavanaugh]

I remember this thread and I recall being tempted to reply and deciding to refrain.  It's a different time.  I really don't like the term hate.  My very wise Dad told me "hate is a terrible and destructive emotion.  You should do your best to avoid it.  But sometimes you can't help yourself.  If you have to hate, treat it like anything else; do it well.  It will help get it out of your system."  I have tried to apply that advice since I heard it about 60 years ago.  Accordingly, I haven't applied it to the petty annoyances referred to regarding others' golf habits.  The closest I have come is my reaction to members who think they know more about architecture and course conditioning than the professionals and proceed to do their best to make the professionals and the various committee members lives miserable.  I have made my feelings known on numerous occasions to a variety of offenders.

I suppose I would take hate more seriously if I was in the forgiveness business.

[Terry Lavin]

One needn’t be in the forgiveness business in this context, as the uninformed, would-be malefactors usually admit that they were wrong and the architect, superintendent and oft-maligned grounds chairman were right, once the work came to fruition.

[Jeff Schley]

One can think whatever you want, however as soon as you say or do something then this is behavior and subject to reactions in kind/consequences. Those who can't control their "hate" on a golf course I would believe have bigger problems in their lives triggering this. Life is stressful and perhaps overwhelming at points, it is recreation like golf that should be therapeutic during these times.

[JMEvensky]

I think some people hate me because I make the game look so easy.

Actually it's more than some.

[John Kavanaugh]

I hate people who think playing a closed golf course does no harm. I hate the people who say they just now started not touching rakes. I hate people who think walking while playing is even a small answer to our current crisis. I hate anyone who thinks any golf in any circumstance before Easter is anything but a privilege. As of last night I hate the airlines for still offering non-stop flights from San Francisco to North Bend.

[Ian Andrew]

John,


Do you want to learn something here from others?
Or do you believe you're here to teach others something about themselves?

[John Kavanaugh]

John,


Do you want to learn something here from others?
Or do you believe you're here to teach others something about themselves?

The best way to answer that is to remind myself the many times my wife has asked me to leave her alone and go pick on you guys. I think I've learned a lot about myself along the way. Funny thing, I recently joined a new club and have been 100% tolerant of all things that have bothered me in the past. I even went on a couples trip for the first time in our 38 years of marriage and gave up drinking for January and February as part of a club activity. The results are interesting to say the least.

[Kalen Braley]

One can think whatever you want, however as soon as you say or do something then this is behavior and subject to reactions in kind/consequences. Those who can't control their "hate" on a golf course I would believe have bigger problems in their lives triggering this. Life is stressful and perhaps overwhelming at points, it is recreation like golf that should be therapeutic during these times.

True Jeff,

But there are some exceptions, even if they may not specifically fall in the hate category. 

For example, nothing gets my blood boiling quicker than being on the course on a slow day and the groups are stacked up....but the group behind you for whatever reason fails to recognize this and sends a few chili peppers up our backsides with a "hurry-up".  They may get a pass the first time, but not a second..

[John Kavanaugh]

Not all that long ago I hated how complicated the rules of golf are which makes it almost impossible to have an equitable game giving strokes. I give between 10 and 23 strokes every time I tee it up. As a matter of fact I was recently tied on a par three where I made a hole in one. It was 7 man wolf and I was giving 1 stroke to each of the other 6 players. Who wouldn't hate that?


Not Bizarro John. What I have learned through patience and observation is that if a golfer establishes his handicap under however he chooses to play the game his cap is valid as long as he remains consistent in competition. That is not an easy lesson to learn.

[Tim Martin]

Kav-I hated myself recently when I realized the din my klanking irons were making as I walked along carrying my bag. I'm thinking even though you weren't there to take notice that you hate me too even if it's only in spirit.

[John Kavanaugh]

Kav-I hated myself recently when I realized the din my klanking irons were making as I walked along carrying my bag. I'm thinking even though you weren't there to take notice that you hate me too even if it's only in spirit.

Double or single strapped? Old John really hated the double strapped iron click.


Now Bizarro John doesn't care who makes noise on the course be it player or maintenance worker. I do occasionally yell back at the toot toot of the Disney ferry but swear to never again as I miss that magical sound.

[Tim Martin]

Kav-I hated myself recently when I realized the din my klanking irons were making as I walked along carrying my bag. I'm thinking even though you weren't there to take notice that you hate me too even if it's only in spirit.

Double or single strapped? Old John really hated the double strapped iron click.


Now Bizarro John doesn't care who makes noise on the course be it player or maintenance worker. I do occasionally yell back at the toot toot of the Disney ferry but swear to never again as I miss that magical sound.

With all the hate going around I can say without reservation that it's easy to love Bizzaro John.

[Buck Wolter]

Not all that long ago I hated how complicated the rules of golf are which makes it almost impossible to have an equitable game giving strokes. I give between 10 and 23 strokes every time I tee it up. As a matter of fact I was recently tied on a par three where I made a hole in one. It was 7 man wolf and I was giving 1 stroke to each of the other 6 players. Who wouldn't hate that?


Not Bizarro John. What I have learned through patience and observation is that if a golfer establishes his handicap under however he chooses to play the game his cap is valid as long as he remains consistent in competition. That is not an easy lesson to learn.

I had the good fortune of playing a couple rounds with John at the end of December with my son. I was a little concerned about it as we hadn't played/seen each other in probably 15 years-- it was delightful from my perspective. Not sure if it was Bizarro John or Super John in late December but my son still talks about those 2 rounds often -- he loves his Kavanaugh quotes.  I did accidentally shout in John's backswing once as I came over a hill resulting in the worst shot he hit in 36 holes-- he was nonplussed.

[John Kavanaugh]

That must have been just after I played with Gary Player. He changed the golf experience for me and everyone I have come into contact with on the course since.

[SL_Solow]

Barney, regardless of some of my other remarks, I can unequivocally say that when I played with the pre-Gary Player version I had a wonderful time and I regret that we have not had the chance to play again notwithstanding your generous open invitation.

[John Kavanaugh]

Shelly. I could sit at your club all day and just stare at the furniture. That was a great day.

[SL_Solow]

When this crisis passes, you are always welcome although I confess a committee has redecorated

[John Kavanaugh]

Bizarro Barney loves mid century modern furniture.

[Pete Lavallee]

Funny, I can still vividly remember the dagger like stare you shot at me at Pajaro Valley at KP II! I think I was Club clacking at the time or possibly just disturbing the silence but your look from a far away tee was something I’ll never forget.

[John Kavanaugh]

Funny, I can still vividly remember the dagger like stare you shot at me at Pajaro Valley at KP II! I think I was Club clacking at the time or possibly just disturbing the silence but your look from a far away tee was something I’ll never forget.

I remember being pissed that day because we had agreed to play persimmons and blades and the best player at the event continued to hit his hybrids. I also remember a specific act of kindness from you and the hospitality you provided all of us at your home.

[V_Halyard]

Kav-I hated myself recently when I realized the din my klanking irons were making as I walked along carrying my bag. I'm thinking even though you weren't there to take notice that you hate me too even if it's only in spirit.

Double or single strapped? Old John really hated the double strapped iron click.


Now Bizarro John doesn't care who makes noise on the course be it player or maintenance worker. I do occasionally yell back at the toot toot of the Disney ferry but swear to never again as I miss that magical sound.

Ha, when he was younger, My son (Who knew nothing other than double straps) shared they knew a kid was likely an AJGA low handicap player if his clubs made the forged "clack" vs. the hollow "kank" sound his made.  Don't be a hater.

[Lou_Duran]

Funny, I can still vividly remember the dagger like stare you shot at me at Pajaro Valley at KP II! I think I was Club clacking at the time or possibly just disturbing the silence but your look from a far away tee was something I’ll never forget.

I remember being pissed that day because we had agreed to play persimmons and blades and the best player at the event continued to hit his hybrids. I also remember a specific act of kindness from you and the hospitality you provided all of us at your home.

You have your King Putters mixed up.  #1 was at Casa Pete.  I too was at rainy Pajaro Valley, KPII, and experienced similar disappointments regarding equipment.  I played with my PB Citation persimmon driver and laminated 5 wood (the head is smaller than some irons), half-dozen Hogan Apex blades, a Wilson R90 SW, an Otey Crisman wood-shafted putter, and Titleist balata balls.  My partner was Lynn S and we played Gib P and Shivas, all who played with modern equipment.  It was not much of a contest, mostly because my partner was in unusually good form, and his still to this day fantastic tempo rubbed off on me.  Good times. 

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