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Matthew Mollica

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The Match - 2012 edition.
« on: October 09, 2012, 10:27:19 PM »
Oct 9 - CPC hosts Davis Love III and Nick Watney v Bubba Watson and Rickie Fowler.
Watched by Ken Venturi and less than 200 others it seems.

SI's Alan Shupnuck tweeted throughout the round.

Any GCAers in attendance?

Matthew
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Joel_Stewart

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Re: The Match - 2012 edition.
« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2012, 11:13:13 PM »
It was by invitation only.  I'm told Tim Finchem put it together as a thank you to people who made donations to the First Tee.

Any time Fred Couples is involved there must be silly money involved.   

I'm wondering if Bubba tried to drive the 8th, 9th and 17th?

Sam Morrow

Re: The Match - 2012 edition.
« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2012, 11:30:38 PM »
I hope Love fell off a cliff.

Sam Morrow

Re: The Match - 2012 edition.
« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2012, 11:37:02 PM »

Sam Morrow

Re: The Match - 2012 edition.
« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2012, 11:41:27 PM »
I hope Love fell off a cliff.

Why's that?

His line up on Sunday. :D

Oh.

It was a joke, I don't hope he really fell off a cliff, unless secretly he is a bad person. Or maybe he was playing that shot like Jack Lemmon tried years ago.

Ross Harmon

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Re: The Match - 2012 edition.
« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2012, 11:43:50 PM »
Who won?

Sam Morrow

Re: The Match - 2012 edition.
« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2012, 11:48:18 PM »
Who won?

I'm gonna say Bubba and Rickie and then walking off 16 after a 3 & 2 victory Rickie said thanks for picking me Davis. ;D Shouldn't the match have included a couple of amateurs?

Matt_Cohn

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Re: The Match - 2012 edition.
« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2012, 01:34:05 AM »
Are there any better pictures than Shipnuk's?


Ben Jarvis

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Re: The Match - 2012 edition.
« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2012, 03:09:09 AM »
It was by invitation only.  I'm told Tim Finchem put it together as a thank you to people who made donations to the First Tee.

Any time Fred Couples is involved there must be silly money involved.   

I'm wondering if Bubba tried to drive the 8th, 9th and 17th?

Apparently Bubba hit it into the greenside bunker on #8, whilst all four had a go at #9, with Fowler finishing front edge.
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Matthew Mollica

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Re: The Match - 2012 edition.
« Reply #9 on: October 10, 2012, 06:20:50 AM »
Details here.

http://blogs.golf.com/presstent/2012/10/live-tweets-from-the-match-remake.html?sct=hp2#

Bubba drove it into a greenside bunker on 8, and got very close to the front edge of 18 with driver.

MM
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David Davis

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Re: The Match - 2012 edition.
« Reply #10 on: October 10, 2012, 08:28:11 AM »
Pretty cool but still a bit silly. The Match had a lot of meaning to it. The remake none. Only pros and purely for fun. It's almost a shame to call it that IMO.

Incidentally, I had the honor of having lunch with Jim Langley who shares the record with Hogan. I thought that was pretty special as a prelude to our round since I had just read the book. Too bad he couldn't golf anymore as it would of been pretty amazing to play with him too.
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John Kavanaugh

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Re: The Match - 2012 edition.
« Reply #11 on: October 10, 2012, 09:45:14 AM »
When Shipnuck tweeted this picture I could not tell where he was reporting.  Looks Faziatic to me.  Awful.

https://twitter.com/AlanShipnuck/status/255707851383775232/photo/1

Joel_Stewart

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Re: The Match - 2012 edition.
« Reply #12 on: October 11, 2012, 02:09:46 PM »
I hope Love fell off a cliff.

Davis Love hit it stiff on the 16th to close out the match.  This on top of Watney making birdie on the 15th.

A friend of mine went and said it was a lot of fun.

Personally I thought they should have two players from the senior tour to play against Bubba and Fowler.  Two tough as nails guys like Tom Watson and Larry Nelson would have been interesting.

Dan King

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Re: The Match - 2012 edition.
« Reply #13 on: October 11, 2012, 02:28:31 PM »
I think I'll wait to read Mark Frost's fictionalized version of the match.

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Dan King
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Jerry Kluger

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Re: The Match - 2012 edition.
« Reply #14 on: October 11, 2012, 08:33:19 PM »
From what I remember in the book and Venturi's interview, there was a whole lot of money bet and it was 2 amateurs against 2 professionals.  Some exhibition of 4 pros with no money on the line just isn't the same. 

JNC Lyon

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Re: The Match - 2012 edition.
« Reply #15 on: October 11, 2012, 08:42:46 PM »
Interesting that these guys couldn't sniff the scores fired by the boys back in 1956.  Modern technology is really destroying the game!!!  ???
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Rick Shefchik

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Re: The Match - 2012 edition.
« Reply #16 on: October 12, 2012, 12:05:13 AM »
I think I'll wait to read Mark Frost's fictionalized version of the match.

Cheers,
Dan King
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Kevin_Reilly

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Re: The Match - 2012 edition.
« Reply #17 on: October 12, 2012, 01:06:10 AM »
It was past noon now, the sun almost directly overhead, the air sparkling with the filtered, crystalline light particular to the Peninsula.  As they stepped onto the fairway, Bubba broke into a brief, pitch-perfect impression of Bing Crosby singing the opening bars of his familiar golf tune, "Straight Down the Middle."  Bubba had honed his impression to perfection during the introductions of CBS telecasts of the AT&T National Pro-Am; Venturi's eyes glistened and he smiled at Bubba.  The other men laughed, which briefly relieved their steadily growing tension.  Even the gallery of First Tee benefactors relaxed for a moment and sang along.  A pleasant stroll communing with nature, feeling the sun on his face, and cracking up his friends and galleries - that was Bubba's idea of the perfect day.
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Dan King

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Re: The Match - 2012 edition.
« Reply #18 on: October 12, 2012, 02:18:16 AM »
JNC Lyon wrote:
Interesting that these guys couldn't sniff the scores fired by the boys back in 1956.  Modern technology is really destroying the game!!!

I have no idea what Mark Frost said, but the 1956 match did not keep score -- it was a match.

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Dan King
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I remember playing the match and how excited Ken [Venturi] and I were to be playing [Ben] Hogan and [Byron] Nelson. I know we played some fantastic golf that day, all of us, but I don't remember much else.
 --Harvey Ward (on the 1956 match between amateurs Venturi and Ward against legends Hogan and Nelson at Cypress Point)

Colin Macqueen

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Re: The Match - 2012 edition.
« Reply #19 on: October 12, 2012, 06:25:31 AM »
David,

I agree with your sentiments that  "The Match had a lot of meaning to it." and  this redux seemed pretty much of a charade to me. Why besmirch that wee slice of history in Paradise.

Dan,  For the record, which I'm sure you know, Mark Frost said (p.184):

"They soon learned the facts were these: Ben Hogan had tied his own couse record at Cypress Point with 63. Ken Venturi had shot 65, Byron Nelson and Harvie Ward 67."
Fact or fiction?

And Kevin a nice parody of the Frost style!

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Scott_Burroughs

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Re: The Match - 2012 edition.
« Reply #20 on: October 12, 2012, 09:47:46 AM »
Davis Love hit it stiff on the 16th to close out the match.  

They won 2&1 so it wasn't closed out on 16.

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Personally I thought they should have two players from the senior tour to play against Bubba and Fowler.  Two tough as nails guys like Tom Watson and Larry Nelson would have been interesting.

Freddie was supposed to play, but had to back out and Davis is 18 months from 50 and is a non-factor on the regular tour, so close enough.

Garland Bayley

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Re: The Match - 2012 edition.
« Reply #21 on: October 12, 2012, 10:57:43 AM »
Davis Love hit it stiff on the 16th to close out the match.  

They won 2&1 so it wasn't closed out on 16.

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Personally I thought they should have two players from the senior tour to play against Bubba and Fowler.  Two tough as nails guys like Tom Watson and Larry Nelson would have been interesting.

Freddie was supposed to play, but had to back out and Davis is 18 months from 50 and is a non-factor on the regular tour, so close enough.

Davis and Freddie. Not my idea of "two tough as nails guys". ;)
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Scott_Burroughs

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Re: The Match - 2012 edition.
« Reply #22 on: October 12, 2012, 11:09:18 AM »
Davis Love hit it stiff on the 16th to close out the match.  

They won 2&1 so it wasn't closed out on 16.

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Personally I thought they should have two players from the senior tour to play against Bubba and Fowler.  Two tough as nails guys like Tom Watson and Larry Nelson would have been interesting.

Freddie was supposed to play, but had to back out and Davis is 18 months from 50 and is a non-factor on the regular tour, so close enough.

Davis and Freddie. Not my idea of "two tough as nails guys". ;)

True.  I was referring to their seniorlyness.  Are Bubba and Fowler tough as nails?  Yeah, Bubba hit a masterful shot to win the Masters, but the dude cries when each Dancing With the Stars contestant gets voted off and Fowler is an orange creamsicle with Justin Bieber hair.
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Rick Shefchik

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Re: The Match - 2012 edition.
« Reply #23 on: October 12, 2012, 12:54:13 PM »
It really would be difficult to replicate a similar match today. Although they seem much older in our imagination, Hogan and Nelson were only 44 years old in 1956. Who on the current PGA tour would play the role of aging but not old veterans -- Mickelson and Furyk? Not much magic there.

Venturi was 25 and Harvie Ward was 30. Lots of guys could adequately fill those slots,; Watson and Fowler are a pretty good fit. Maybe if Tiger and Phil had any kind of relationship, they could have been reasonable stand-ins for Hogan and Nelson.
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Dan King

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Re: The Match - 2012 edition.
« Reply #24 on: October 12, 2012, 01:14:16 PM »
Colin Macqueen writes:
"They soon learned the facts were these: Ben Hogan had tied his own couse record at Cypress Point with 63. Ken Venturi had shot 65, Byron Nelson and Harvie Ward 67."
Fact or fiction?


I refuse to read Mark Frost books. He makes up history and I'm not wild about made-up history pretending to be non-fiction.

It is fiction. They did not keep score. They played a match. There is no way of knowing what they would have shot had they been playing medal since they didn't play medal.

Especially in a team competition, putts are not holed out. If Ward made a birdie, and Venturi picked up, what did Venturi make on the hole?

Cheers,
Dan King
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It was the best golf I've ever seen. And that's the only team who ever beat Harvey and me. We could have challenged the world. Come to think of it, that's about what we did.
 --Ken Venturi (on the 1956 match between amateurs Venturi and Ward against legends Hogan and Nelson at Cypress Point)

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