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Ronald Montesano

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Logical Tours
« on: October 21, 2012, 12:45:41 PM »
All the discussion we had about an upstate NY tour of Travis courses (with occasional forays into the wilds of foreign countries like Ontario, Maine and Pennsylvania) gets me thinking about this: You want to take a tour of your favorite architect's courses. You may not hit all the best ones, but you have a seven-day period in which to manage this feat by car. Here's a starter:

Travis
Day One: Arrive Buffalo. Drive to Fonthill and Ridgeway (Ontario) and play Lookout Point and Cherry Hill. Return to Buffalo at night.
Day Two: Drive to Orchard Park and play OPCC. Drive to Batavia/Stafford and play Stafford. Drive to Syracuse
Day Three: Play Onondaga CC then drive to Rome (NY) and play Yahnundasis. Drive to Albany for evening.
Day Four: Play CCTroy then drive to Scranton and play CCScranton

At this point, we would head east and play some metro NYC courses, then finish off with a few New England layouts. Since a majority of Travis courses are in the northeast, this tour is feasible with the right connections.
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Connor Dougherty

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Re: Logical Tours
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2012, 05:16:01 AM »
I grew up a Mackenzie nut, so I'd have to go with him. In a perfect world,

Day One: Arrive Santa Barbara. Play The Valley Club of Montecito. Drive to Monterey.
Day Two: Play Cypress Point.
Day Three: Drive to Santa Cruz. Play Pasatiempo. Drive to San Francisco.
Day Four: Play Union League.
Day Five: Claremont CC. The restoration was fantastic, and the bunkering is top notch. On a clear day, Claremont has arguably the best views of any course in the Bay Area, and for a course under 6000 yards, it has plenty of teeth.
Day Six: Meadow Club. We had a high school tournament there one year, and I still have incredibly fond memories of the place.
Day Seven: Northwood Golf Club. I only learned of the course recently and am planning to get up there soon. It used to be owned by the Bohemian Club, but now it's a 9 hole track open to the public.

This is feasible with the right connections. But I don't think you can stress "right connections" enough.

Alternate Courses: Haggin Oaks has a MacKenzie course in Sacramento and there's Sharp Park as well. Sub in those two for Cypress and and Valley Club, and this trip becomes much more feasible. Maybe someday ::)
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Ian Andrew

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Re: Logical Tours
« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2012, 06:37:38 AM »
5 Days of Stanley Thompson around Toronto

Day 1 - Fly to Toronto - assume a single round of play - drive out to Westmount in Kitchener (1hr.) to play - drive to London (40 minutes)
Day 2 - Highlands CC in London - drive to St Thomas (30 minutes) - drive to north Toronto (1.5 hr.)
Day 3 - Play Summit in the morning and drive to Peterborough (1.5 hrs.) and play Peterborough in the afternoon
Day 4 - Play Kawartha in the morning and drive to Kingston (2 hrs.) and play Cataraqui in the afternoon - stay in Kingston
Day 5 - return to Toronto and play St. George's in the afternoon (close to airport) - fly that evening

That's all easy to arrange except for St. George's, which will take a little more effort or timing.
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Tom_Doak

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Re: Logical Tours
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2012, 07:20:31 AM »
Alternate Courses: Haggin Oaks has a MacKenzie course in Sacramento and there's Sharp Park as well. Sub in those two for Cypress and and Valley Club, and this trip becomes much more feasible. Maybe someday ::)

This may be much more feasible, but it's also a lot more skippable.

I did a cool MacKenzie tour around Leeds a few years ago, seeing some of his early work.  Melbourne is another possible venue.

Scott Sander

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Re: Logical Tours
« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2012, 08:03:46 AM »
Pete Dye - from insurance agent to Hall of Famer... in one week.

-Arrive at Indianapolis International Airport mid-day and head south of the city for a quick 9 (the original of what's now 18) at what's now called "Dye's Walk".  Mr. Dye delights in talking about this, his first formal layout.  Says the 9 holes originally crossed the same creek 13 times.  Certainly a sign of evi..., er impishness, to come.
-Day #2 is for those interested in the early years before the Dyes' perspective-shifting visit to the UK.  Morning rough at 18 at Maple Creek on the east side of Indianapolis and then 18 in the afternoon at Sahm Park on the northeast side.   The best way I can describe Maple Creek is a 7/8 scale version of the future.  Odd angles, brinksmanship, even some unusual earth-moving - but lacking the width/elbow room that makes for strategic fascination.  Sahm is too short to stand up to the modern game, but in terms of strategic intent, it is directly representative of what Dye would go on to do.
-Day #3 - Crooked Stick.  He acquired the land, laid out the neighborhood, built the course, and commenced to living his life there.  Love his designs or loathe them, what you will see at CS -is- Pete Dye.  This will be your first exposure to the bulkheading... the water's edge landing zones... the draw--to-set-up-a-fade-or-vice-versa demands... etc that became his signatures/stereotypes/whatever.  Bonus if you happen to catch him out walking his dog - ask him about his inspiration for 15 green and bunker - he claims he lifted them right out of Mackenzie's playbook.  
-Day #4 - Drive up to West Lafayette to play Kampen.  This is representative of the courses that brought him the most fame: those set up specifically to test the best or kick them around, depending on your perspective.  [In terms of views, it's a million miles from Whistling Straits or TOC or Teeth of the Dog, but we don't have direct flights to those.]
-Day #5 - The Fort - Indianapolis.  First course on our tour to show what Dye could do with an "interesting" site. Roughly half of it is draped over very rolling terrain.  I see it as evidence that he doesn't necessarily wrestle the land if the land is interesting in its own right.
-Day #6 - Brickyard Crossing - A carnival.  A tightly-routed explosion of reclaimed Speedway concrete, concession stands in play, towering bleachers, and dramatic greensites.  I asked Mr. Dye what Indiana course should be next to host a major and he said this one.  I don't believe that he really believes that, but it was a fascinating response.  The evening of Day #6, we will drive to French Lick for a night's stay at one of the historic hotels there.
-Day #7 - The Dye Course.  Much has already been said on this site about it.  To me, it represents where Mr Dye is right now, in the wintertime of his career.  It is bold.  It is extreme.  It is polarizing.  It is unconventional.  And it is not the least bit ashamed of any of that.

Tim Martin

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Re: Logical Tours
« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2012, 09:54:49 AM »
4 Days of Raynor
Day 1
a.m. Southampton GC
p.m. Westhampton GC
Day 2
a.m. Creek Club
p.m. Blind Brook
Day 3
a.m. CC of Fairfield
p.m. Yale(a little credit also given to McDonald ;))
Day 4
a.m. Fisher's Island
p.m. Wanumetonomy
« Last Edit: October 23, 2012, 09:59:19 AM by Tim Martin »

astavrides

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Re: Logical Tours
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2012, 11:15:37 AM »

Day Four: Play Union League.


(now known as Green Hills CC)

Keith Doleshel

Re: Logical Tours
« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2012, 12:46:39 PM »
Connor,
That would be one great tour.  Played them all except for Cypress, hoping to check that one off the list someday.  Valley Club is incredible, it is my favorite golf course anywhere.  Meadow Club and Pasatiempo are not far behind.  Claremont is a lot of fun too.  Glad you included Northwood as well.  It is a really cool little golf course.  Playing golf in the redwoods is quite the experience. 

I have played Sharp Park, you are right about not needing any connections to get on there  ;D  It is worth a look for any MacKenzie fan, even if much of his work is no longer there.  Haven't made it to Haggin Oaks, one of these day I do need to check that box.  We are blessed in Northern California to have some great golf courses designed by him within a relatively short drive.

Mac Plumart

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Re: Logical Tours
« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2012, 02:59:58 PM »
The Mike Riley tour...

Stay and play in Atlanta...in any order you want...

Atlanta Country Club;
The Standard Club;
Reunion;
Rivermont;
Governors Towne Club

Sportsman/Adventure loving golfer.

Bill Shotzbarger

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Re: Logical Tours
« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2012, 05:05:06 PM »
Flynn in VA/PA/NJ/NY seems pretty feasible.

Start in VA (The Homestead)

Drive north to Lancaster

Spend a week in Philly  ;D

Play Woodcrest over the bridge in NJ on your way to A.C.C.C.

Drive up to Long Island to play Shinnecock

Re: Travis tour
You would certainly have a place to stay in Syracuse, just bring a cot or an Aero Bed! I'm still trying to get on Onondaga myself, Ill let you know what happens.
« Last Edit: October 23, 2012, 05:08:13 PM by Bill Shotzbarger »

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