[Steve Lapper]

As the father of two young daughters, I agree with Brad and think it long overdue.

As the successful wagerer with several of you here(Kalen, Jeff, et.al) as soon as you pay up,  I'll definitely celebrate and promise to spend every last dime at a cash establishment that has long supported gender -driven economics !!

As someone who spent time in my past working indirectly with Richard Rainwater, I'll laud their selection of Ms. Moore.
She's smart, classy and 100% golf nut. Good pick!

[Matt MacIver]

On to the architecture: how long will the women's tees be?  ~5500 yards?  Will that make any holes better, or worse?  Will they have composite tees so I can choose to play 10 long and 11 short?

[Kalen Braley]

Steve,

I've always paid every bet I've lost....and based on the details of our bet, i'm still ahead.  We've got another 7.5 months before its decided:

While I have neither the time nor patience to read all the previous pages and posts, I simply posture this:

 Does anyone wish to wager that Ms. Rometty is not a member-in-good standing at Augusta National Golf Club by the start of the 2013 Masters?

 I am willing to take any and all action up to $500 (maybe higher?) that says she is. Please PM me if you are interested.

Steve

[Anthony Butler]

On to the architecture: how long will the women's tees be?  ~5500 yards?  Will that make any holes better, or worse?  Will they have composite tees so I can choose to play 10 long and 11 short?

Having spoken to couple of people who've played there, my understanding is that most of the women (so far) who play there are pretty good... The women's teams from a couple of local colleges play there a couple of times a year for instance... If someone like Annika or Karrie Webb showed up, they would go from the member tees that day, which generally measure about 6,600-6,7000 yards. Based on my fuzzy recollection, if you went from the absolute front of the member tees on each hole, you would be playing the course at around 6,300 Yds. Since they've had women play the course for years already, it's unlikely they'll be putting a new set of tee markers out for the 1/2 dozen times a year Condi or Rainwater's missus turn up for a game.

[Steve Lapper]

Steve,

I've always paid every bet I've lost....and based on the details of our bet, i'm still ahead.  We've got another 7.5 months before its decided:

While I have neither the time nor patience to read all the previous pages and posts, I simply posture this:

 Does anyone wish to wager that Ms. Rometty is not a member-in-good standing at Augusta National Golf Club by the start of the 2013 Masters?

 I am willing to take any and all action up to $500 (maybe higher?) that says she is. Please PM me if you are interested.

Steve

Kalen,

No insinuation you wouldn't, however, a little birdie tells me she next up on the list.

[Kalen Braley]

Steve,

I've always paid every bet I've lost....and based on the details of our bet, i'm still ahead.  We've got another 7.5 months before its decided:

While I have neither the time nor patience to read all the previous pages and posts, I simply posture this:

 Does anyone wish to wager that Ms. Rometty is not a member-in-good standing at Augusta National Golf Club by the start of the 2013 Masters?

 I am willing to take any and all action up to $500 (maybe higher?) that says she is. Please PM me if you are interested.

Steve

Kalen,

No insinuation you woudln't, however, a little birdie tells me she next up in the list.

Steve,

I hope you're right...I think this is great news from the boys at ANGC.....

[Anthony Butler]

I will become much more interested in the admissions policies of ANGC when they start considering middle class high school teachers/coaches for membership.  That two wealthy women have gotten into the club is of no concern or interest to me, and I'm as liberal as they come.

AG,

I don't know the financial details of admission and yearly dues at ANGC but it would seem to me that if middle class high school teachers/coaches became members, I'd begin auditing the school budgets    

I'm sure Pat is being modest here, because he knows enough about the finances to understand that Augusta as a non-profit entity with a monster annual cash flow could easily hand out 100 'scholarship' memberships to whoever they so choose.

Beyond the dues, which I believe were around $10,000 quite recently, there is the $6-7 million the souvenir tent pulls in during Masters week... and the $25 million in domestic and international broadcast rights...


Anthony,

Are you sure that the club and The Masters aren't two separate entities ?  ?  ?

That the revenues you speak of aren't comingled ?


I'm not sure how Augusta handles their finances... they haven't asked me, which is not surprising given that my wife hasn't asked for my assistance on our own finances for about 5 years.

I guess if I wanted to get fired I could go an pull a SOW off a server here at work and let everyone know who the client is. Probably a better way to explain it is that an awful lot of communications infrastructure has been put into the club over the last couple years... and, as you know, the additional expense of putting it all underground has to be paid for as well... They have also acquired some land and reconfigured their parking and guest entrance facilities. I don't believe the members have received a special assessment for these considerable costs.

[RJ_Daley]

Your screaming Moderate Independent who stupidly votes for the better person and is often wrong (I chose both Bush and Obama!)  

Mike, I actually thought I was being a moderate independent when I voted for Nixon, Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush, and Dole.  Then I became even more moderate and independent when I went for Gore, and Kerry, now Obama once and going twice.  How many did I get right lifetime?  

[Mike Sweeney]

Your screaming Moderate Independent who stupidly votes for the better person and is often wrong (I chose both Bush and Obama!)  

Mike, I actually thought I was being a moderate independent when I voted for Nixon, Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush, and Dole.  Then I became even more moderate and independent when I went for Gore, and Kerry, now Obama once and going twice.  How many did I get right lifetime?  

It looks like none !!



PS. I did vote for Clinton the second term.

[Anthony Butler]

Your screaming Moderate Independent who stupidly votes for the better person and is often wrong (I chose both Bush and Obama!)  

Mike, I actually thought I was being a moderate independent when I voted for Nixon, Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush, and Dole.  Then I became even more moderate and independent when I went for Gore, and Kerry, now Obama once and going twice.  How many did I get right lifetime?  

I often wonder how much better things would have been with Gore in the White House on Sept. 11 2001. I think he might have used it as the reason  get off terrorist-supporting oil shipments from the Mid-East that much quicker. Also we would not have gone into Iraq.

[Paul Jones]

Condaleeza lands memberships at Cypress Point and ANGC in the same year. Not bad at all.

Congrats for her !!!

[Tim Martin]

Condaleeza lands memberships at Cypress Point and ANGC in the same year. Not bad at all.

Anyone has Condaleeza's phone number? My new best friend :-)

Forget Jimmy Dunne because Condee is the real whale.

[Garland Bayley]

Mike,

It looks like Dick got two right given the deep fall after Clinton's term.

[Wayne_Kozun]

but this is in everyone's best interest as Augusta will remain the most high profile private club in the world for years to come.

Except for one other higher profile club based in St Andrews that also runs a major tournament and sets the rules of golf for most of the planet.  I don't believe they have any female members yet.

[Matthew Essig]

Who knows - I'd still love to see a Ladies' Masters someday.

Dan,

That is a pretty great idea! 

Cheers

+1

[Keith Doleshel]

I love that ANGC's announcement today overshadowed Sergio Garcia's win at the Wyndham.  Talk about irony.  If that golf course is too hard for him, how are the ladies going to play it. 

[Garland Bayley]

Who knows - I'd still love to see a Ladies' Masters someday.

Dan,

That is a pretty great idea! 

Cheers

+1

Condi is a member at CPC? The women's Masters should be at CPC the same day as the men play at ANGC. The women can facilitate (drinks, snacks, child care etc.) their significant others enjoyment of the Masters, followed by the men facilitating the women's enjoyment of the women's Masters at CPC.

[Sven Nilsen]

Who knows - I'd still love to see a Ladies' Masters someday.

Dan,

That is a pretty great idea! 

Cheers

+1

Condi is a member at CPC? The women's Masters should be at CPC the same day as the men play at ANGC. The women can facilitate (drinks, snacks, child care etc.) their significant others enjoyment of the Masters, followed by the men facilitating the women's enjoyment of the women's Masters at CPC.

And throw all that tradition out the window, you have to be kidding.

[Sean_A]

I have never been quite sure why anybody cares who is and isn't allowed to join ANGC or any place one isn't a member of.  This is not a positive or negative step, merely a change in membership policy for a very exclusive club. 

Ciao

Sean,

Give me a break with the "its just a golf club" routine. 

I don't see what all the fuss is about.  Anybody who makes it into Augusta has already made it - no matter which gender, colour or creed they are.  Do you honestly think (what will soon become a total non-issue because hardly anybody knows who is a member of Augusta - nor cares) this changes anything other than what goes on around Augusta?  If so, its a very sad comment on American society.

Ciao

[Jud_T]

Now we know the real reason Condi turned down the Vice-Presidential bid. 

[Howard Riefs]

Condaleeza lands memberships at Cypress Point and ANGC in the same year. Not bad at all.

Anyone has Condaleeza's phone number? My new best friend :-)

Updating her list of memberships...

ANGC
CPC
SFGC
Shoal Creek
Country Club of Birmingham
Stanford Golf Course

[Kirk Gill]

I don't see what all the fuss is about.  Anybody who makes it into Augusta has already made it - no matter which gender, colour or creed they are.  Do you honestly think (what will soon become a total non-issue because hardly anybody knows who is a member of Augusta - nor cares) this changes anything other than what goes on around Augusta?  If so, its a very sad comment on American society.

It doesn't change much out in the world, but it matters, some.

"Starling, when I told that sheriff we shouldn't talk in front of a woman,

              that really burned you, didn't it?

              It was just smoke, Starling. I had to get rid of him."

             " It matters, Mr Crawford. Cops look at you to see how to act.

              - It matters."

             " - Point taken."

[Sean_A]

Kirk

I expect it makes a difference at Augusta, but not so much outside of the elite world top 1% clubs.  So far as championing the female gender (which is what I assume folks are applauding here) I don't worry about what private golf clubs do.  That isn't anything close to the front line or at least it shouldn't be.  Personally, unless Augusta wanted to change, I see this a sad day for private golf clubs.  I have always felt that folks have the right to socialize with whom they please even if I find it disagreeable. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against women joining Augusta if that is what the membership wants.  If it isn't what the membership wants, well then, shame on all of us.   

Ciao

[Dan Herrmann]

Sean,
It's important because it sets a good example. 

Women, like men, can use their club's contacts/friendships to conduct business that benefits both parties.  At least in the States, a lot of business takes place on the golf course.

[Sean_A]

Sean,
It's important because it sets a good example. 

Women, like men, can use their club's contacts/friendships to conduct business that benefits both parties.  At least in the States, a lot of business takes place on the golf course.

Dan

There are more than enough mixed golf clubs to conduct business.  Do we need all golf clubs to be mixed for this purpose?  Can there be no separate gender clubs where business may be conducted?  Is the right to conduct business more important than the right to socialize with whom we please? 

None of it makes any difference to me personally, but I hate the trend society is on. 

Ciao

Ciao

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