Courses and clubs near Syracuse, NY

[Mark Saltzman]

Ron, the floor is yours...

[Ronald Montesano]

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'll be brief:

To put this baby to rest, Ian told me yesterday at Lookout Point that he is not working, nor has he ever worked, with Yahnundasis.

[Ed Homsey]

Thank you, Ron.  As a last word to Mr. Flemma, however, I will play this trump card.  I was on the phone with the Yahnundasis Superintendent, last week, discussing their plans and I stand by my original comment. 

[Jay Flemma]

I don't care.  I talked to the President and he told me what I wrote.  He said they consulted with Ian, whatever that might mean.  We didn't get into it any further than that, and I didn't ask as we were talking about other things.  Let me break the news to you - you are not the end all be all on Travis.  You're just a bunch of fans who anointed themselves "experts."   So play your "trump cards" all you like in your little bunch of groupies. I know what he said to me and I stand by what he told me...if he's wrong - fine. But he wouldn't pull Ian's name out of thin air.

And I'll tell you another thing, Ron. I think you may not have asked the right question...or got the right answer, or Ian may be playing it down to you to keep any conversation private between he and the club.  Or they had a brief talk, but you asked "are you doing the restoration work..." and we might BOTH be right to some extent.  (That's probly it...the right answer being somewhere in between.)

Whatever - this thread is about Bill asking where to play near Syracuse (not near Utica).  You guys seem more interested in trying to prove my source wrong than giving him advice on courses...converse like the British, don't roar like a corsair.

[Ian Andrew]

Not that this matters but...

1. I have met with the club
2. I have not done any work at Yahnundasis

On my Top 5 for Travis

[Ronald Montesano]

Welcome aboard, newbie Ian. Tell us a little about yourself...do you ever miss fairways to the left? By how much?

[Jay Flemma]

Thank you, Ian. Glad to have you aboard.  To be respectful of both you and the club, perhaps we should not further discuss the issue until the Yahoo and you feel its appropriate.  Your business is your business until you decide to share it.

I'll only add that I was thrilled to hear your name mentioned and vouched for both your talent and gentlemanly demeanor.  Go get 'em!

[Tim Martin]

Well then where would my source get your name?  Out of thin air?  Maybe he was trying to impress me with his knowledge of architects:)

Despite first hand assertions to the contrary I can`t say I am shocked that you are sticking to your story.

[Jay Flemma]

Hold your horses, Tim...I originally misread Ian's post and amended it while you were posting.  See above.  Maybe you also might want to read the thread more carefully.  In the interests of fairness, you might want to erase or amend your post.

Whatever - is it really worth arguing over?  No it's not.  Let's stop picking the nits off manure. Let's get back to naming good clubs for Bill And let's get back to camaraderie and altruism instead of gamesmanship.

[Tim Martin]

Hold your horses, Tim...I originally misread Ian's post and amended it while you were posting.  See above.  Maybe you also might want to read the thread more carefully.

Whatever - is it really worth arguing over?  Let's get back to naming good clubs for Bill

Jay-I have no interest in arguing. You are true to form and that is what is always entertaining to me. Seems like you are the one that should have read the thread more carefully instead of making baseless claims that you are now back peddling from. Typical.

[Jay Flemma]

Thy are not baseless, read what Ian said, he met with the club...like my source said.

Now enough. I'm pissed at myself for making the comment in the first place because I should have known I was dealing with people who can't let anything go.  They took my comment made in passing, blew it way out of proportion, and had to play gotchya for needless reasons known only to them... Now the entire thread is thread jacked and what should be between Ian and the Y is discussed when perhaps it shouldn't be...but I won't take all the blame - some people, like you are so heavily invested in my failure that you can't stop hectoring or spinning the discussion to promote your own vanity.

Ian, I'm glad you're here, but I'm sorry it took a stupid, juvenile argument over BS to get you here.

I'll say something else...Ron, Ed, Tim  if you even once took the time to pick up the phone and talk to  me or play golf with me, or have a meal with me in NYC, we might find some common ground and see that the differences between us are nowhere near as great as you (or others) think they are.

Now can we please get back to discussing architecture?

Rant over, as you were

[Tim Martin]

I thought Ian Andrew did a recent resto at the Yahoo...

Baseless and I`ll pass on the dinner invitation

[Jay Flemma]

 Nice to see you misleading everyone again. What was that I wrote about people who can't let anything go?    Thanks for raising the tenor of the discussion and the maturity of the conversation, though.  Great chatting with you too.

[Ed Homsey]

Whoa!!!