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Steve_ Shaffer

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Best Bang For Your Buck in the US
« on: August 06, 2012, 01:45:08 AM »
Matt Ward selects his 10 choices...Black Mesa, Rustic Canyon, etc


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Bill_McBride

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Re: Best Bang For Your Buck in the US
« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2012, 04:33:40 AM »
This must be a first:  it's very hard to argue with Matt about those choices.  It's a great list. 
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Mac Plumart

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Re: Best Bang For Your Buck in the US
« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2012, 07:49:55 AM »
Looks like a solid list.

In the Southeast, Arrowhead Pointe and Aiken deserve mention.
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Bill_McBride

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Re: Best Bang For Your Buck in the US
« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2012, 09:59:10 AM »
Quote from: Mac Plumart on August 06, 2012, 07:49:55 AM
Looks like a solid list.

In the Southeast, Arrowhead Pointe and Aiken deserve mention.

Haven't played Arrowhead Pointe, but Aiken for sure, and Longshadow should be in there too. 

We met up with California private club members at Reynolds Plantation and played Great Waters.  In spite of the shabby conditions at Longshadow the next day, they strongly preferred Longshadow over GW.   I'm sure LS is in much better shape now with Mike in charge.
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Dan Kelly

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Re: Best Bang For Your Buck in the US
« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2012, 10:50:28 AM »
Are we sure this is Matt Ward, pardner?

When did he become "M. James Ward"?

P.S. You know that old fortune-cookie "game" where you read the fortune and add "... in bed" at the end?

I'm finding myself adding "pardner" to the end of each review. I like them so much better that way. Everyone's a critic!

« Last Edit: August 06, 2012, 04:03:56 PM by Dan Kelly »
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Adam Clayman

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Re: Best Bang For Your Buck in the US
« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2012, 10:58:28 AM »
Kudos to Matt for his much improved writing.

Pacific Grove belongs, but, I guess "Bang" in Wardian terms translates to CR and rating.
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Sean Leary

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Re: Best Bang For Your Buck in the US
« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2012, 11:13:03 AM »
Quote from: Adam Clayman on August 06, 2012, 10:58:28 AM
Kudos to Matt for his much improved writing.

Pacific Grove belongs, but, I guess "Bang" in Wardian terms translates to CR and rating.

Adam,

Pacific Grove is a nice value (especially for the area) but do you really think the course as a whole is at the same level as these courses? I certainly would not put it in this class....
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Tom Ferrell

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Re: Best Bang For Your Buck in the US
« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2012, 11:19:33 AM »
Great list.  But I think Commonground *has* to be on it for it to be complete.
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Ben Kodadek

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Re: Best Bang For Your Buck in the US
« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2012, 11:27:44 AM »
Can't be Matt...there was inclusion of a FL course.
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Joe Bausch

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Re: Best Bang For Your Buck in the US
« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2012, 12:03:09 PM »
Quote from: Ben Kodadek on August 06, 2012, 11:27:44 AM
Can't be Matt...there was inclusion of a FL course.

Could be Matt.  No Pennsy course.   ;)
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Terry Lavin

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Re: Best Bang For Your Buck in the US
« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2012, 12:48:43 PM »
I guess it is Matt, but the lack of an "!" in the title of this thread is a missed opportunity, indeed.
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Michael Blake

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Re: Best Bang For Your Buck in the US
« Reply #11 on: August 06, 2012, 12:58:33 PM »
Quote from: Dan Kelly on August 06, 2012, 10:50:28 AM
Are we sure this is Matt Ward, pardner?

Of course it's him.  Black Mesa is mentioned first in the article.  :)

Nice to see Archie's Twisted Dune mentioned.  Very fun course.
What time does the Crump Cup start next month?  Maybe a group trip to T.D. afterwards is in order if there is time?
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Patrick_Mucci

Re: Best Bang For Your Buck in the US
« Reply #12 on: August 06, 2012, 02:27:37 PM »
Quote from: Bill_McBride on August 06, 2012, 04:33:40 AM
This must be a first:  it's very hard to argue with Matt about those choices.  It's a great list. 

Agreed
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Sven Nilsen

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Re: Best Bang For Your Buck in the US
« Reply #13 on: August 06, 2012, 02:45:24 PM »
If this were a list of 20 courses, what would you add.

I'll start with Links of ND, Rochelle Ranch, Angel's Crossing, The Warren Course and Vista Verde.
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David_Tepper

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Re: Best Bang For Your Buck in the US
« Reply #14 on: August 06, 2012, 02:49:38 PM »
Didn't Pinon Hills in New Mexico used to be a regular on that kind of list?
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Garland Bayley

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Re: Best Bang For Your Buck in the US
« Reply #15 on: August 06, 2012, 03:25:22 PM »
Quote from: Patrick_Mucci on August 06, 2012, 02:27:37 PM
Quote from: Bill_McBride on August 06, 2012, 04:33:40 AM
This must be a first:  it's very hard to argue with Matt about those choices.  It's a great list. 

Agreed

Patrick,

How many of the subject courses have you played? Can you legitimately comment on this topic?
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astavrides

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Re: Best Bang For Your Buck in the US
« Reply #16 on: August 06, 2012, 04:20:54 PM »
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Bart Bradley

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Re: Best Bang For Your Buck in the US
« Reply #17 on: August 06, 2012, 06:14:22 PM »
Caledonia comes to mind.  Kiva Dunes is a possibility.  Yes, Pinion Hills is a course that in the past was always mentioned on such lists.  The Mines in Grand Rapids and Wild Horse are obvious omissions.

Bart
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Sean_A

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Re: Best Bang For Your Buck in the US
« Reply #18 on: August 06, 2012, 06:20:30 PM »
As usual, folks want a 10 list to be for 20 courses.  Thats the where the crunch of personal opinion comes in. 

Ciao
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Sven Nilsen

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Re: Best Bang For Your Buck in the US
« Reply #19 on: August 06, 2012, 06:36:17 PM »
Quote from: Bart Bradley on August 06, 2012, 06:14:22 PM
Caledonia comes to mind.  Kiva Dunes is a possibility.  Yes, Pinion Hills is a course that in the past was always mentioned on such lists.  The Mines in Grand Rapids and Wild Horse are obvious omissions.

Bart

Bart:

Wild Horse is on the list.

Sean:

I suggested expanding the list to 20 not because I disagreed with those listed in the article, but rather to be a bit more inclusive in the discussion.  The more conversation on this topic the better, unless we're trying to keep some of those gems still in the hidden category.
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Sean_A

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Re: Best Bang For Your Buck in the US
« Reply #20 on: August 06, 2012, 06:49:35 PM »
Quote from: Sven Nilsen on August 06, 2012, 06:36:17 PM
Quote from: Bart Bradley on August 06, 2012, 06:14:22 PM
Caledonia comes to mind.  Kiva Dunes is a possibility.  Yes, Pinion Hills is a course that in the past was always mentioned on such lists.  The Mines in Grand Rapids and Wild Horse are obvious omissions.

Bart

Bart:

Wild Horse is on the list.

Sean:

I suggested expanding the list to 20 not because I disagreed with those listed in the article, but rather to be a bit more inclusive in the discussion.  The more conversation on this topic the better, unless we're trying to keep some of those gems still in the hidden category.

Sven

Matt was probably lucky to have the space to list 10 courses. 

Ciao
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Joe Bausch

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Re: Best Bang For Your Buck in the US
« Reply #21 on: August 06, 2012, 06:54:48 PM »
Quote from: Sean Arble on August 06, 2012, 06:49:35 PM
Quote from: Sven Nilsen on August 06, 2012, 06:36:17 PM
Quote from: Bart Bradley on August 06, 2012, 06:14:22 PM
Caledonia comes to mind.  Kiva Dunes is a possibility.  Yes, Pinion Hills is a course that in the past was always mentioned on such lists.  The Mines in Grand Rapids and Wild Horse are obvious omissions.

Bart

Bart:

Wild Horse is on the list.

Sean:

I suggested expanding the list to 20 not because I disagreed with those listed in the article, but rather to be a bit more inclusive in the discussion.  The more conversation on this topic the better, unless we're trying to keep some of those gems still in the hidden category.

Sven

Matt was probably lucky to have the space to list 10 courses.  

Ciao

His list is really 12 courses, no?
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Tim Martin

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Re: Best Bang For Your Buck in the US
« Reply #22 on: August 06, 2012, 07:02:07 PM »
Quote from: Joe Bausch on August 06, 2012, 06:54:48 PM
Quote from: Sean Arble on August 06, 2012, 06:49:35 PM
Quote from: Sven Nilsen on August 06, 2012, 06:36:17 PM
Quote from: Bart Bradley on August 06, 2012, 06:14:22 PM
Caledonia comes to mind.  Kiva Dunes is a possibility.  Yes, Pinion Hills is a course that in the past was always mentioned on such lists.  The Mines in Grand Rapids and Wild Horse are obvious omissions.

Bart

Bart:

Wild Horse is on the list.

Sean:

I suggested expanding the list to 20 not because I disagreed with those listed in the article, but rather to be a bit more inclusive in the discussion.  The more conversation on this topic the better, unless we're trying to keep some of those gems still in the hidden category.

Sven

Matt was probably lucky to have the space to list 10 courses.  

Ciao

His list is really 12 courses, no?
Does he do an executive list too?
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Chris DeNigris

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Re: Best Bang For Your Buck in the US
« Reply #23 on: August 06, 2012, 07:37:14 PM »
In the Valley of somewhat overpriced golf I'll 2nd Vista Verde but I'd put Southern Dunes a notch above for value.

Lulu for $58 all day gives PA an entry  :)

I haven't played it but isn't Montauk Downs worthy?
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Tim Martin

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Re: Best Bang For Your Buck in the US
« Reply #24 on: August 06, 2012, 07:41:48 PM »
Quote from: Chris DeNigris on August 06, 2012, 07:37:14 PM
In the Valley of somewhat overpriced golf I'll 2nd Vista Verde but I'd put Southern Dunes a notch above for value.

Lulu for $58 all day gives PA an entry  :)

I haven't played it but isn't Montauk Downs worthy?

Chris rings the bell with Lulu. A fantastic option and to get it around twice for $58 is truly a bargain!
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