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Joe Leenheer

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Why do the Pro's love Firestone?
« on: August 01, 2012, 11:06:42 PM »
It seems that each year when the Pro's visit my beloved home town of Akron they are constantly praising Firestone CC.  Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of the "stone" (as the locals call it).  But I've heard/read some aggressive comments like...

"Best fairways we play all year"

"Best practice facility on tour"

"The best greens we've seen so far"

Many people scoff at Firestone, but the pro's seem to dig it. 

Thoughts?
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John_Conley

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Re: Why do the Pro's love Firestone?
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2012, 11:08:58 PM »
It's straightforward.

Tom_Doak

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Re: Why do the Pro's love Firestone?
« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2012, 11:11:42 PM »
Because it is a guaranteed paycheck.

And no, I'm not kidding.  Everybody who gets there makes good money, and for professional golfers, that's the equivalent of you shooting two under par.  It leaves them a warm, fuzzy feeling inside.

Patrick_Mucci

Re: Why do the Pro's love Firestone?
« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2012, 11:11:49 PM »
Joe,

Whomever stated that it's the best practice facility on tour should be drug tested.

It's modest at best.

The club certainly prepares the course well.

I like the golf course, but, like all courses, Mother Nature determines playing conditions.

I really, really, really liked the West course.

What I also liked was the variety that the three courses offer.
Each one is distinct, and unlike the others.

Hopefully Mother Nature will be kind and conditions optimal for a PGA event

Tommy Williamsen

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Re: Why do the Pro's love Firestone?
« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2012, 11:21:17 PM »
They know the course well for one.  The course is easy to figure out. Hit it off the tee here, hit it this distance to the green and putt.  I don't find the South course compelling architecturally but I don't think the pros care.  They want a course that "is right in front of me" where they can make birdies. 
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Matthew Petersen

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Re: Why do the Pro's love Firestone?
« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2012, 12:12:43 PM »
I believe it was McIlroy who tweeted about the practice facility being the best on tour.

Howard Riefs

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Re: Why do the Pro's love Firestone?
« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2012, 12:17:49 PM »
It's in the top quartile.

Firestone was ranked #12 as the course pros "most enjoy playing" according to this Golf Digest poll:

http://www.golfdigest.com/golf-courses/2012-01/photos-best-tour-courses#slide=1

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Dan Kelly

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Re: Why do the Pro's love Firestone?
« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2012, 12:38:48 PM »
They know the course well for one.  The course is easy to figure out. Hit it off the tee here, hit it this distance to the green and putt.  I don't find the South course compelling architecturally but I don't think the pros care.  They want a course that "is right in front of me" where they can make birdies. 

This is why Hazeltine (a course that has much in common with Firestone, does it not?) had to remake itself, and remake itself, and remake itself.
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Joe Bausch

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Re: Why do the Pro's love Firestone?
« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2012, 12:47:06 PM »
It's straightforward.


"It's all right there in front of you."  Insert tour pro name here.   ;)
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Michael George

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Re: Why do the Pro's love Firestone?
« Reply #9 on: August 02, 2012, 04:11:20 PM »
The pros like Firestone for many reasons:

The Course:

1.  It is straight forward.  They don't have to spend a lot of time preparing for the tournament, which they all like.  

2.  It is fair.  If you are playing well, you will score.  If you are not playing well, you have no chance.  No gimmicks.  Does not force many mental errors.  It is a golf course that rewards the person hitting the ball the best.  

3.  The greens are not gimmicky or tricked up.  The green complexes are very difficult, but the greens themselves are pretty straight forward.  You rarely have a bounce that goes in an unexpected direction.

4.  Good practice facilities.  I don't know if they are the best, but they are pretty nice.  

The Tournament:

1.  Tom is right about the payday.  I have had players and caddies tell me straight out.  There is no cut and they (player and caddie) are guaranteed to get paid.  They like any tournament where there is an appearance fee and this tournament gives them one... a nice one.

2.  No pro-am.  They love not having to play with "the slugs" on Wednesday.  They play all nice on camera but the pros hate pro-ams.  For example, Mickelson usually comes in Wednesday night for the event.  That allows him either to book corporate events on Monday-Wednesday or spend the time at home.  That is why it is perfect before the PGA because a lot of them spent Monday-Tuesday at Kiawah.

3.  Treatment.  They get treated really well.  The locker room has an eating area so they don't have to eat with non-players.  The parking is right next to the clubhouse and is totally excluded from fans.  The caddies have a private, air conditioned building behind the 1st tee with great food and drink (with the reduced field, they can treat the caddies better  - ususally it is a non-air conditioned tent with boring food).  There is a media center so interviews are not done under a tree or in a temporary tent.  Most players stay at a place called Glenmoor, which is a private gated community that has a hotel next to its private golf course (only 10 minutes from the club) so they can hit balls there before and after rounds and don't have to deal with the general public).  Plus, the operation of the tournament is as seamless as any on the PGA Tour as volunteers have been doing the same job for 20 years (the PGA Tour Operations guys love coming to Akron because they don't have to bust their butts educating volunteers and they have free time after play ends).    

4.  Familiarity.  They get to come back to the same place every year.  They know where they are staying, they know how to get to and from the course, they know where they are eating dinner each night, they know what the family can do while they golf (many guys bring their families this week and the wife and kids go up to Cedar Point for a day) and they know the locker room guys and the volunteers.   For instance, I used to run a committee in charge of dealing with the players and caddies.  I knew their wives and would allow them in the Caddie hospitality building to eat, drink and get in the air conditioning.  They loved it as they don't usually have hospitality for them. Happy wife...Happy life.
« Last Edit: August 02, 2012, 04:14:06 PM by Michael George »
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Kalen Braley

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Re: Why do the Pro's love Firestone?
« Reply #10 on: August 02, 2012, 06:41:33 PM »
Sounds like they like it because they cater to what most of em actually are.... spoiled rotten over grown kids.....

...FAN-tastic!!

jeffwarne

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Re: Why do the Pro's love Firestone?
« Reply #11 on: August 02, 2012, 08:57:39 PM »
Sounds like they like it because they cater to what most of em actually are.... spoiled rotten over grown kids.....

...FAN-tastic!!

It's funny how I read on a daily basis on this website about golf trips with off course activities, food, lodging etc. and a Tour player is criticized for enjoyiing the same amenities.
Add in nice treatment of the family and workweek 20% shorter-(no pro am ::)) , guaranteed money,good treatment of the caddies and a player's not supposed to enjoy that?
I thought Michael George summarized it very well.

How many of you go on business trips for the internal contouring? (besides Tom Doak ;D)
« Last Edit: August 02, 2012, 09:12:21 PM by jeffwarne »
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Mark Pritchett

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Re: Why do the Pro's love Firestone?
« Reply #12 on: August 02, 2012, 09:16:25 PM »
Thanks Michael, great insight. 

Good for Firestone.  Hard to find any negatives there.   Always nice to hear about well run events. 

The course was a fixture in Golf Digest Top 100 for several years. 

Bill Gayne

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Re: Why do the Pro's love Firestone?
« Reply #13 on: August 02, 2012, 09:28:59 PM »
I'm told it's an easy walk with the holes running parallel to each other. They also can safely pull out the driver on many of the holes unlike Lytham.
« Last Edit: August 02, 2012, 09:32:08 PM by Bill Gayne »

Carl Rogers

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Re: Why do the Pro's love Firestone?
« Reply #14 on: August 03, 2012, 11:48:24 AM »
Sounds like they like it because they cater to what most of em actually are.... spoiled rotten over grown kids.....

...FAN-tastic!!
True, but I actually have a certain sympathy for the players in this regard.  I bet that Pro-Ams get old quickly.  I think a lot of individuals constantly in the public eye need a time out period.
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Michael George

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Re: Why do the Pro's love Firestone?
« Reply #15 on: August 03, 2012, 11:57:04 AM »

Even the volunteers hate the pro-ams.  They are 6 hour rounds of golf with many guys that simply are not good enough to play a golf course under PGA Tour conditions.  That is one thing that I support the players in.

Re: players being spoiled.  If in the Ryder Cup you supported the players, not the country, everyone on this string would be rooting for Europe.  Those guys, especially Harrington, McDowell and Westwood, are just really nice people.  Harrington and his family are as nice as people can be.  Even comes close to Nick Price who is legendary at Firestone for being the nicest guy to ever come through. 
"First come my wife and children.  Next comes my profession--the law. Finally, and never as a life in itself, comes golf" - Bob Jones

Kalen Braley

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Re: Why do the Pro's love Firestone?
« Reply #16 on: August 03, 2012, 12:39:07 PM »
Sorry folks.

I'm just not buying the "all you poor smhucks should feel sorry for the 1%'ers in the world" who have been lucky enough to be endowed with the talent and werewithal to live a charmed life. 

Matthew Petersen

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Re: Why do the Pro's love Firestone?
« Reply #17 on: August 03, 2012, 12:58:15 PM »
Sorry folks.

I'm just not buying the "all you poor smhucks should feel sorry for the 1%'ers in the world" who have been lucky enough to be endowed with the talent and werewithal to live a charmed life. 

No one has said you should feel sorry for them. They've said that pros enjoy nice things and familiar places, the same way you or I do.