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Steve_ Shaffer

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The Southwest Coast of England
« on: August 01, 2012, 11:39:02 AM »
Matt Ward travels to England and discusses the SW coast courses- St. Enodoc, Trevose, et al:

http://www.back9network.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=28400&ATCLID=205562977
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Garland Bayley

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Re: The Southwest Coast of England
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2012, 12:01:40 PM »
What? No Perranporth?
 :(
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Tommy Williamsen

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Re: The Southwest Coast of England
« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2012, 11:31:37 PM »
I love Devon and Corwall.  The golf is great, the towns quaint, the B&Bs nice and the people warm and welcoming. I am going for ten days in Sept.
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Tiger_Bernhardt

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Re: The Southwest Coast of England
« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2012, 11:44:53 PM »
St Edonoc is one of the great courses in the UK. I loved every second I was there.

Jon Wiggett

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Re: The Southwest Coast of England
« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2012, 03:39:54 AM »
St Edonoc is one of the great courses in the UK. I loved every second I was there.

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Sean_A

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Re: The Southwest Coast of England
« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2012, 03:47:57 AM »
What? No Perranporth?
 :(

I couldn't convince Matt to play Perranporth - his loss as its a totally different animal from the others he played.  Just like I couldn't convince him of the value and quality of holes 6-8 at Burnham.  I guess folks tend to see links as dunes with holes scattered in dells and on plateaux.   

I don't quite understand this piece.  There isn't enough blurb about any of the courses to be helpful or enticing.  I suspect there was little space for a proper job.

Ciao  
« Last Edit: August 02, 2012, 03:49:36 AM by Sean Arble »
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James Boon

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Re: The Southwest Coast of England
« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2012, 04:35:40 PM »
Sean,

It took a while for me to fully understand and appreciate 6 through 8 at Burnham, especially 7. I know see it as an very good stretch and not the flat dull holes I first thought of. In fact I now look for the flatter holes on a links as an indicator of the courses quality, as they can often be the hidden gems of the course, but also sometimes just flat and dull...

Cheers,

James
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Sean_A

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Re: The Southwest Coast of England
« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2012, 07:12:51 PM »
Boony

Once one plays enough links he begins to see the same duneland holes repeated - its inevitable especially with the modern mantras of axing blind shots, front to back greens, dell holes...Its on the flat holes where the archie really has a chance to show his skill - assuming the budget is there. I played Wallasey once again a few weeks back and was struck by indifferent the flat holes are - its a deal breaker for me because I want quality flat holes.  

Ciao  
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Tommy Williamsen

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Re: The Southwest Coast of England
« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2012, 07:49:01 PM »
What? No Perranporth?
 :(

I couldn't convince Matt to play Perranporth - his loss as its a totally different animal from the others he played.  Just like I couldn't convince him of the value and quality of holes 6-8 at Burnham.  I guess folks tend to see links as dunes with holes scattered in dells and on plateaux.   

I don't quite understand this piece.  There isn't enough blurb about any of the courses to be helpful or enticing.  I suspect there was little space for a proper job.

Ciao  

Sean, I played with Matt at Musgrove Mill a couple of years ago. He can't be convinced of anything.  Bet your time with him was memorable.  Hope to see you next month.
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jeffwarne

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Re: The Southwest Coast of England
« Reply #9 on: August 02, 2012, 07:53:33 PM »
What? No Perranporth?
 :(

I couldn't convince Matt to play Perranporth - his loss as its a totally different animal from the others he played.  Just like I couldn't convince him of the value and quality of holes 6-8 at Burnham.  I guess folks tend to see links as dunes with holes scattered in dells and on plateaux.   

I don't quite understand this piece.  There isn't enough blurb about any of the courses to be helpful or enticing.  I suspect there was little space for a proper job.

Ciao  

Sean,
You probably haven't done enough heavy lifting....... ;) ::) ;D
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Sean_A

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Re: The Southwest Coast of England
« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2012, 04:38:03 AM »
What? No Perranporth?
 :(

I couldn't convince Matt to play Perranporth - his loss as its a totally different animal from the others he played.  Just like I couldn't convince him of the value and quality of holes 6-8 at Burnham.  I guess folks tend to see links as dunes with holes scattered in dells and on plateaux.   

I don't quite understand this piece.  There isn't enough blurb about any of the courses to be helpful or enticing.  I suspect there was little space for a proper job.

Ciao  

Sean, I played with Matt at Musgrove Mill a couple of years ago. He can't be convinced of anything.  Bet your time with him was memorable.  Hope to see you next month.

Tommy

I have never met Matt nor laid eyes on him.  While I often disagree with his take on architecture, I don't have a problem with his PoV.  It is what it is.  Shoot me a few dates and lets see if we can get a game in.

Jeff

When it comes to golf I am certainly not one to do heavy lifting (mentally or physically) - so Matt would be correct. 

Matt did email me and confirmed my suspicions that space was limited for the piece.  I guess there needs to be plenty of space for advertising. 

Ciao
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Bill_McBride

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Re: The Southwest Coast of England
« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2012, 12:06:47 PM »
Sean,

It took a while for me to fully understand and appreciate 6 through 8 at Burnham, especially 7. I know see it as an very good stretch and not the flat dull holes I first thought of. In fact I now look for the flatter holes on a links as an indicator of the courses quality, as they can often be the hidden gems of the course, but also sometimes just flat and dull...

Cheers,

James

Like at Hoylake?   Those are wonderful.  Down the road at Wallasey?  Not as good.