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Mike Hendren

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What Is The Toughest Walk Designed By...
« on: July 31, 2012, 11:20:26 AM »
Donald J. Ross
Albert W. Tillinghast
William Flynn
Seth Raynor
Harry Colt
Perry Maxwell
Stanley Thompson
William Langford
Other Old Dead Guy of Your Choice

Just to name a few.

Mike
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JNC Lyon

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Re: What Is The Toughest Walk Designed By...
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2012, 11:21:36 AM »
Seth Raynor? Yale.
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Mike Hendren

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Re: What Is The Toughest Walk Designed By...
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2012, 11:22:28 AM »
I'll open with Langford's Gatlinburg Country Club (now Municipal) and Ross' Grove Park Inn.
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Tom_Doak

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Re: What Is The Toughest Walk Designed By...
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2012, 11:28:59 AM »
Michael:

A great question.  I will have to go back to the books to think about this a little bit.

Off the top of my head, MacKenzie's would be either Pasatiempo or Augusta National, although a couple of his early courses around Leeds would also contend -- Halifax and Reddish Vale.

For Stanley Thompson, Capilano is a pretty neat walking solution to a very steep site, although it's not an easy walk, and Cape Breton Highlands is in a category of its own.


Matthew Petersen

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Re: What Is The Toughest Walk Designed By...
« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2012, 11:30:38 AM »
Have not played there, but I wouldn't think Banff Springs (Thompson) would be an especially easy walk.

JMEvensky

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« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2012, 11:30:38 AM »
Perry Maxwell--Southern Hills (in August).

John Kavanaugh

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Re: What Is The Toughest Walk Designed By...
« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2012, 11:35:13 AM »
Didn't we walk Lookout Mountain together? Not going to walk French Lick.

Joey Chase

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Re: What Is The Toughest Walk Designed By...
« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2012, 11:36:31 AM »
For Tilly, Bethpage Black?

Matthew Petersen

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Re: What Is The Toughest Walk Designed By...
« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2012, 11:37:24 AM »
Also, not a very tough walk, but Ross's Broadmoor may be among the toughest walks of any course he designed.

Scott Szabo

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Re: What Is The Toughest Walk Designed By...
« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2012, 11:38:13 AM »
I would have said Augusta National for MacKenzie as well.
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David Stewart

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Re: What Is The Toughest Walk Designed By...
« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2012, 12:22:34 PM »
Also, not a very tough walk, but Ross's Broadmoor may be among the toughest walks of any course he designed.

Are we talking about the Colorado Spring Broadmoor or the Indianapolis Broadmoor? I haven't played the Broadmoor in Colorado Springs, but the one in Indianapolis is a very easy walk.

Mark McKeever

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« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2012, 01:25:48 PM »
Donald Ross: Charles River CC and George Wright GC

***DISCLAIMER***
Note that both of these courses are routed beautifully on wild terrain.  It just beats you up to walk them!


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Mark Pearce

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Re: What Is The Toughest Walk Designed By...
« Reply #12 on: July 31, 2012, 03:32:25 PM »
Donald Ross: Charles River CC and George Wright GC

***DISCLAIMER***
Note that both of these courses are routed beautifully on wild terrain.  It just beats you up to walk them!


Mark
Wow.  Those are the two Ross courses I have played and neither struck me as a tough walk.  Both seemed like great use of terrain but I really didn't note anything about the walk.  Maybe I was just enjoying two great courses too much?
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Chris Clouser

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Re: What Is The Toughest Walk Designed By...
« Reply #13 on: July 31, 2012, 03:35:31 PM »
JM,

If you want to include the heat, I can think of several Maxwell courses that would be rough to walk in Oklahoma and Texas.  But if you take the heat out of the consideration I would be hard pressed to think of any of his layouts that were hard to walk. 

Doug Wright

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Re: What Is The Toughest Walk Designed By...
« Reply #14 on: July 31, 2012, 03:46:24 PM »
Also, not a very tough walk, but Ross's Broadmoor may be among the toughest walks of any course he designed.

Are we talking about the Colorado Spring Broadmoor or the Indianapolis Broadmoor? I haven't played the Broadmoor in Colorado Springs, but the one in Indianapolis is a very easy walk.

Colorado Springs. However, the Ross part of what are now 9 holes each of the East and West courses is not that tough of a walk. When you cross the road to the RTJ part of those courses the terrain is much more severe. 
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JMEvensky

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Re: What Is The Toughest Walk Designed By...
« Reply #15 on: July 31, 2012, 03:47:37 PM »
JM,

If you want to include the heat, I can think of several Maxwell courses that would be rough to walk in Oklahoma and Texas.  But if you take the heat out of the consideration I would be hard pressed to think of any of his layouts that were hard to walk. 


I agree--my answer was more about the heat in Tulsa the day I played than about PM's design. I just remember walking off the first tee at SH and realizing that,at some point,there was going to be a walk up a hill just as steep--and the temperature was going to be higher.

Tim Martin

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« Reply #16 on: July 31, 2012, 03:49:23 PM »
CC of Troy has to be up there for Travis.

Pete_Pittock

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Re: What Is The Toughest Walk Designed By...
« Reply #17 on: July 31, 2012, 03:54:07 PM »
Have not played there, but I wouldn't think Banff Springs (Thompson) would be an especially easy walk.
Very easy walk. Only one uphill after the Devil's Cauldron

Dan Moore

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Re: What Is The Toughest Walk Designed By...
« Reply #18 on: July 31, 2012, 03:56:10 PM »
Langford-Wakonda CC

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Mike Benham

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Re: What Is The Toughest Walk Designed By...
« Reply #19 on: July 31, 2012, 06:41:08 PM »

Ross = Peninsula G&CC
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JLahrman

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Re: What Is The Toughest Walk Designed By...
« Reply #20 on: July 31, 2012, 07:09:31 PM »
Seth Raynor? Yale.

How hard is it compared to Camargo? Greens and tees are in close proximity at Camargo, but there are quite a few hills to hoof (#2, #3, #6, #9, #12, #14, #18)

Tim Bert

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Re: What Is The Toughest Walk Designed By...
« Reply #21 on: July 31, 2012, 08:11:43 PM »
Have not played there, but I wouldn't think Banff Springs (Thompson) would be an especially easy walk.

It is not nearly as difficult as you'd expect given the setting.  It doesn't feel like a mountain course when you are walking. More like a course surrounded by mountains. The only issue, which is a pretty big one, is the walk from 14 green to 15 tee but that isn't based on being in the mountains. I believe the course used to be routed from the current 15th to the current 14th so that walk between holes wouldn't have presented the same mid-round issue.

J_ Crisham

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Re: What Is The Toughest Walk Designed By...
« Reply #22 on: July 31, 2012, 08:23:34 PM »
Donald Ross: Charles River CC and George Wright GC

***DISCLAIMER***
Note that both of these courses are routed beautifully on wild terrain.  It just beats you up to walk them!


Mark
Charles River?  I thought the walk was pleasant- I carried my bag and didn't think it a challenge. White Bear Yacht was a stern walk with the hilliness but very doable.

Carl Rogers

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Re: What Is The Toughest Walk Designed By...
« Reply #23 on: August 01, 2012, 12:06:53 PM »
The Asheville, North Carolina Muni (a modest Ross) back nine is a mountain goat hike.
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Mark Saltzman

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Re: What Is The Toughest Walk Designed By...
« Reply #24 on: August 01, 2012, 12:10:26 PM »
Highlands links is supposed to be a tough walk. Never been though.

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