Trump International Golf Links

[Mark Pearce]

Does that mean you played in the Amateur as a 10 year old?

Exactly the question that sprang to my mind.  What a talent!

[Patrick_Mucci]

How do we know the pages with the entry stamp are from the same passport as the photo?

You'll just have to accept them as you would have me accept the phantom citations you were asked to produce.


Why try to give the impression that you played in the 1952 Am and then post something that says you would have only been 10 at the time thus making your earlier insinuation ludicrous!


I never implied that I played in the 1952 British Amateur at Prestwick, that's what you inferred.
I merely asked you to look up the list of competitors in the 1952 Amateur to see if you could find the name, "Pat Mucci"
Just another corroborating piece of evidence regarding my being in Scotland, before you were in Scotland.
There are numerous posts on a variety of threads relating my experiences as a 10 year old accompanying my dad when he played in the 1952 British and French Amateurs.  In addition, I mentioned the photo and article about me that appeared in the papers.
I should have known, that based upon your research skills to date, that would be unable to find and post that article and photo, which, unlike the phantom citations, is a matter of record.
I guess I'll have to do it for you.

Have you also forgotten the "Ice Man" ?  The former King of England, Edward, Duke of Windsor, buying me ice for my Coke and then walking arm in arm with me as we watched my dad play ?  ?  ?
My father had "movie star" good looks, was charming and a great dresser, did you think that my mom was going to let him go to London and Paris alone while she stayed home with a 10 and 2 year old ?  She was smarter than that, so off to Scotland I went.
Sailed on the Queen Mary and Queen Elizabeth.
I think someone even produced those ship manifests in another thread.
Read, .....more third party corroborating documented evidence.
Why don't you, like David Moriarty, find and post them.
I'm providing Multiple source, Redundant documentation, which is the same standard you'll be held to.
Have you used the Freedom of Information Act to obtain the phantom documents ?
What's taking you so long  ? ? ?
Where are the alleged citations ?


As I have proven there is no permission for previously discussed earthen dams why do you still refuse to either prove me wrong or accept I am right?

Because allegations don't constitute proof.
You need to provide corroborating third party documentation from multiple sources, just like you required of me

Most importantly, why no opinion on the big question bizarre or quirky? 

I found Prestwick to be on the quirky side.
I find you and the "Marks" to be on the bizarre side.
Hope that helps

[Jon Wiggett]

How do we know the pages with the entry stamp are from the same passport as the photo?

You'll just have to accept them as you would have me accept the phantom citations you were asked to produce.


Why try to give the impression that you played in the 1952 Am and then post something that says you would have only been 10 at the time thus making your earlier insinuation ludicrous!


I never implied that I played in the 1952 British Amateur at Prestwick, that's what you inferred.
I merely asked you to look up the list of competitors in the 1952 Amateur to see if you could find the name, "Pat Mucci"
Just another corroborating piece of evidence regarding my being in Scotland, before you were in Scotland.
There are numerous posts on a variety of threads relating my experiences as a 10 year old accompanying my dad when he played in the 1952 British and French Amateurs.  In addition, I mentioned the photo and article about me that appeared in the papers.
I should have known, that based upon your research skills to date, that would be unable to find and post that article and photo, which, unlike the phantom citations, is a matter of record.
I guess I'll have to do it for you.

Have you also forgotten the "Ice Man" ?  The former King of England, Edward, Duke of Windsor, buying me ice for my Coke and then walking arm in arm with me as we watched my dad play ?  ?  ?
My father had "movie star" good looks, was charming and a great dresser, did you think that my mom was going to let him go to London and Paris alone while she stayed home with a 10 and 2 year old ?  She was smarter than that, so off to Scotland I went.
Sailed on the Queen Mary and Queen Elizabeth.
I think someone even produced those ship manifests in another thread.
Read, .....more third party corroborating documented evidence.
Why don't you, like David Moriarty, find and post them.
I'm providing Multiple source, Redundant documentation, which is the same standard you'll be held to.
Have you used the Freedom of Information Act to obtain the phantom documents ?
What's taking you so long  ? ? ?
Where are the alleged citations ?


As I have proven there is no permission for previously discussed earthen dams why do you still refuse to either prove me wrong or accept I am right?

Because allegations don't constitute proof.
You need to provide corroborating third party documentation from multiple sources, just like you required of me

Most importantly, why no opinion on the big question bizarre or quirky? 

I found Prestwick to be on the quirky side.
I find you and the "Marks" to be on the bizarre side.
Hope that helps

What a weird world you live in Patrick. You never implied it? only you seem to believe that.

I have only ever implied there was no permission for the earthen dams based on there being no permission
You have being unable to prove your assertion that there must have been permission
You have been the only one harping on about citations.

Like I said. My case proved unless you can disprove them.

Same old, same old, Patrick

[Patrick_Mucci]

What a weird world you live in Patrick. You never implied it? only you seem to believe that.

No, I never implied it.
In dozen's of threads I've stated that I'm 70, which made me 10 in 1952.
Only a moron, someone without a memory, or someone with an agenda could think otherwise.

I have only ever implied there was no permission for the earthen dams based on there being no permission

You didn't imply it, you alleged it, in written form, based upon your limited knowledge of the project.

You have being unable to prove your assertion that there must have been permission

That's not my assertion.
I was clear.
You alleged violations, of permitting, rules and regulations.
I asked you to document the violations.
You're unable to do so.
Ergo, your allegation has no supporting documentation proving any violations.

You have been the only one harping on about citations.

That's correct.
If violations occured, with the incredibly high degree of scrutiny and opposition this project has been under, there would be documented evidence if said, alleged violations occurred.
I've merely asked you to post copies of those citations to prove your case.
Absent documented evidence, you have no case.

Like I said. My case proved unless you can disprove them.

Not by any logical or legal standard.
The burden of proof is on you since you made the allegation.
It's not up to me to disprove your allegation.

ie,
The nonsensical negative exercise, where you say "Sasquatch/Yeti lives", I say "prove it".  You say, "prove that he doesn't" is one of
the oldest bogus arguments in the world
In case you're not familiar with Sasquatch/Yeti.
I'll give you another example.
A guy says to his friend, "your wife's cheating on you"  The friend says, "prove it".  The guy says, "prove that she's not"
Again, bogus logic by any standard, even those as low as the "Marks"


Same old, same old, Patrick

You're 100 % correct.
I'm not letting you get away with making allegations absent documented proof.
And I shall continue to be the "same old, same old Patrick"  ;Duntil you produce the documentation, or admit that you mispoke.

[Paul Gray]

A guy says to his friend, "your wife's cheating on you"  The friend says, "prove it".  The guy says, "prove that she's not"

Do we or do we not accept that the earthen dams exist? If we do, the relevant addition to add to your little example is that the first guy now pulls out a porn mag and produces pictures of the wife which leave nothing to the imagination.

So now who has to prove what?  

I'm honestly at a complete loss to understand why I'm engaging in this little surreal episode but I have a couple of good friends thats happen to be psychologists and will be seeking clarity asap.  

[Jon Wiggett]

A guy says to his friend, "your wife's cheating on you"  The friend says, "prove it".  The guy says, "prove that she's not"

Do we or do we not accept that the earthen dams exist? If we do, the relevant addition to add to your little example is that the first guy now pulls out a porn mag and produces pictures of the wife which leave nothing to the imagination.

So now who has to prove what?  

I'm honestly at a complete loss to understand why I'm engaging in this little surreal episode but I have a couple of good friends thats happen to be a psychologists and will be seeking clarity asap.  

Paul,

the problem Patrick has is that if the if he accepts that the earthen dams exist then they need to have permission which they don't. He cannot find that permission because it does not exist so has to concoct an elaborate smoke screen to try and hide the fact that his position is untenable. His problem is further compounded by the fact that he has absolutely no idea what he is talking about.

oh, and Patrick would argue that the porn mag was showing his wife working as a professional model so she was in fact not cheating Warped I know but it goes with the territory

Jon

[Patrick_Mucci]

Do we or do we not accept that the earthen dams exist?

Paul,

I've not had the opportunity to see and inspect them, so I can't attest to their physical location, structure, etc., etc..

I'll take Jon's word for it that he's seen a berm, but beyond that I'd need more details

If we do, the relevant addition to add to your little example is that the first guy now pulls out a porn mag and produces pictures of the wife which leave nothing to the imagination.

Now Paul, How do you know that they weren't photo shopped ?
Remember, Jon had his doubts as to whether my Passport photo and Entry Stamp in Glassgow were from the same passport

So now who has to prove what?  

Jon still has to produce copies of the citations and now he has to prove that those pictures in the magazine you were reading were photo shopped.


I'm honestly at a complete loss to understand why I'm engaging in this little surreal episode but I have a couple of good friends thats happen to be a psychologists and will be seeking clarity asap.  

Might I suggest that you take Jon and the "Marks" with you so that you can get a group discount.

[Patrick_Mucci]

the problem Patrick has is that if the if he accepts that the earthen dams exist then they need to have permission which they don't.

Not necessarily.
Often, implied consent can be a factor.

What were these earthen dams holding back, water, air, views ?
Maybe they were a legitimate substitute for fences.

He cannot find that permission because it does not exist so has to concoct an elaborate smoke screen to try and hide the fact that his position is untenable.


I don't need to locate the permits since I wasn't the one making the allegations.
The burden of proof remains in your court.
You made the allegations, now you have to substantiate them.

His problem is further compounded by the fact that he has absolutely no idea what he is talking about.

What's wrong with that?
It's never stopped you and the "Marks"
You didn't even know about the Freedom of Information Acts of 2000 and 2002.

oh, and Patrick would argue that the porn mag was showing his wife working as a professional model so she was in fact not cheating

You've got it backwards.
She was a porn star, that's where we met, we were cast in the same film.
But, after me, well........ everyone paled by comparison, so we got married.

When she asks me if I miss my single days I tell her,....... only when I think of them  

[Paul Gray]

Nice counter Patrick. I rather expected the 'photo shopped' response. If I'm honest, if I were in your position that would have been my angle.

May I respectfully suggest gents that an amicable stalemate is agreed upon.

Personally, once I get to the point of considering Descartes and the nature, if any, of existence, let alone whether Trump International is even real or not,  I feel it's time to give my tiny little mind a rest.  

[Jon Wiggett]

Paul,

be careful about saying Trump International might or might not be real. Do you have any evidence to back up your assertion it might not actually exist? Hell, I think even Patrick and I might agree on the possibility that it actually be real

Patrick,

having reread my previous post I can see it could be taken in a way other than it was meant and I am glad you realised what I intended to say. Reply very witty

As for other things, FIA is a very useful thing but does not help with documents that do not exist. Before you start crowing, as already pointed out by others here it is the lack of planning permission that is relevant to the matter and people who understand the Scottish Planning System (which you clearly do not) would not expect any citations at this stage. However Patrick, please feel free to use an FIA order to prove that the earthen dams have been approved.

Jon

[Patrick_Mucci]

Jon,

You have to ask yourself the following question:

With the incredibly high profile nature of this project, the intense opposition to the project at the local level galvanized by Trump's persona, along with the environmental activists who were critical of the project, and the media's scrutiny of the project, if there were any violations, especially highly visible violations, how would it be possible that they would have gone unreported to the appropriate authorities ?

[Jon Wiggett]

Jon,

You have to ask yourself the following question:

With the incredibly high profile nature of this project, the intense opposition to the project at the local level galvanized by Trump's persona, along with the environmental activists who were critical of the project, and the media's scrutiny of the project, if there were any violations, especially highly visible violations, how would it be possible that they would have gone unreported to the appropriate authorities ?

Patrick,

how do you know that they haven't been? Most of your argument is based on the fact such a transgression would be hit with a citation. However, if you were familiar with the Scottish Planning System (as I am) you would realise that it is far too early for a citation to be issued.

Jon

[Patrick_Mucci]

Jon,

You have to ask yourself the following question:

With the incredibly high profile nature of this project, the intense opposition to the project at the local level galvanized by Trump's persona, along with the environmental activists who were critical of the project, and the media's scrutiny of the project, if there were any violations, especially highly visible violations, how would it be possible that they would have gone unreported to the appropriate authorities ?

Patrick,

how do you know that they haven't been?

It's logical to conclude so since none of the activist parties have come forward and announced the filing of a complaint, which would bring the issue to the public's eye and hasten the remediation process

Most of your argument is based on the fact such a transgression would be hit with a citation.

Why wouldn't it ?
If there's such intense opposition and such intense scrutiny, why wouldn't an obvious and egregious violation be cited ?


However, if you were familiar with the Scottish Planning System (as I am) you would realise that it is far too early for a citation to be issued.
So, if an obvious and egregious violation has occurred and been reported, the Scottish Planning System does nothing to immediately remediate the violation ?   They sit on it, allowing it to continue or get worse ?   If toxic pollutants were being introduced to the aquifer and complaints were filed, they would deem it "too early" to do anything ?  ?  ?   They would just continue to sit back and do nothing, allowing the situation, damage and harm to continue to get worse ?

Does that sound logical to you ?       Or does it sound like malfeasance ?  ?  ?

And, wouldn't there be a public outcry demanding action. ?

Wouldn't the media be excoriating the Scottish Planning System and those officials responsible for negligent conduct ?  ?  ?

It just doesn't pass the most basic of tests despite your claim of familiarity 

Jon

[Mark Chaplin]

The fact remains there is no sign of 5000 promised jobs and Trump has thrown his teddies in the corner over a wind farm, thinking he can change national policy.

His methods and personality are clearly more suited to the US market.

[Jon Wiggett]

Jon,

You have to ask yourself the following question:

With the incredibly high profile nature of this project, the intense opposition to the project at the local level galvanized by Trump's persona, along with the environmental activists who were critical of the project, and the media's scrutiny of the project, if there were any violations, especially highly visible violations, how would it be possible that they would have gone unreported to the appropriate authorities ?

Patrick,

how do you know that they haven't been?

It's logical to conclude so since none of the activist parties have come forward and announced the filing of a complaint, which would bring the issue to the public's eye and hasten the remediation process

Most of your argument is based on the fact such a transgression would be hit with a citation.

Why wouldn't it ?
If there's such intense opposition and such intense scrutiny, why wouldn't an obvious and egregious violation be cited ?


However, if you were familiar with the Scottish Planning System (as I am) you would realise that it is far too early for a citation to be issued.
So, if an obvious and egregious violation has occurred and been reported, the Scottish Planning System does nothing to immediately remediate the violation ?   They sit on it, allowing it to continue or get worse ?   If toxic pollutants were being introduced to the aquifer and complaints were filed, they would deem it "too early" to do anything ?  ?  ?   They would just continue to sit back and do nothing, allowing the situation, damage and harm to continue to get worse ?

No Patrick of course they wouldn't in the same way that a mass murderer is not given bail whilst someone been done for a parking violation would not require bail. Are you really expecting anyone to take your level of argument and logic seriously?

Does that sound logical to you ?       Or does it sound like malfeasance ?  ?  ?

And, wouldn't there be a public outcry demanding action. ?

Wouldn't the media be excoriating the Scottish Planning System and those officials responsible for negligent conduct ?  ?  ?

It just doesn't pass the most basic of tests despite your claim of familiarity 

Jon

Patrick,

your argument lacks any basis of reason, balance or understanding of the system. Quite honestly your last reply has plumbed the depths of ignorance and stupidity that even you have failed to reach until this moment. This forum is supposed to be a place where reasonable and open minded people discuss GCA related topics with the idea of sharing their knowledge and opinions as well as hopefully learning new points and ideas. You clearly have none of the former attributes to offer nor the ability/desire for the latter.

Quite honestly I am fed up of your pathetic circular drivel and will not bother with it any longer. You sad, sad, man!!!

Jon

[Patrick_Mucci]

The fact remains there is no sign of 5000 promised jobs and Trump has thrown his teddies in the corner over a wind farm, thinking he can change national policy.

Mark, I thought they had announced commencement of the next phase, the construction of the hotel ?

Will it be built on site or prefabed and flown/trucked in ?

His methods and personality are clearly more suited to the US market.

Do you deny the merits of the golf course ?
Did he not create a superior product ?

[Patrick_Mucci]

No Patrick of course they wouldn't in the same way that a mass murderer is not given bail whilst someone been done for a parking violation would not require bail.

Talk about not being taken seriously, now you want to equate the horrendous felony crime of mass murder to a parking ticket ?

Environmental violations and permitting issues, while not equivalent to mass murder status, are serious offenses, especially in the context of the local opposition to this project and the polarizing nature of the developer.

Newton's Third Law of Motion would seem to dictate that the discovery and numerous and passionate reporting of violations of the permits, rules and regulations to the Scottish Planning System would mandate a rapid and equal response from the Scottish Planning System.

How do you explain their silence ?
Oh, that's right, you said that they don't rush anything, that they take their time.

And, given that you indicate that they move at a snails pace, when would you expect a response in this particular case.

Doesn't it also seem logical that the longer they wait, after the reporting date of the violations, that the more harm is done, or, that their silence may be tantamount to tacit approval ?  Or, that no violation occured. 

Could you cite the date that the berm/dam was created, so that we can understand the chronology of the event and how long the clock has been ticking at the Scottish Planning System.   Thanks

Are you really expecting anyone to take your level of argument and logic seriously?

Yes, I'm expecting non-interested, non-biased reasoned individuals to examine the facts presented and apply prudent man logic in order to formulate their opinions.

your argument lacks any basis of reason, balance or understanding of the system.

You continue to make allegations absent the production of documented evidence and then claim that my argument/s lack/s any basis of reason ?

Common sense alone would indicate otherwise

Quite honestly your last reply has plumbed the depths of ignorance and stupidity that even you have failed to reach until this moment.


You may not like my challenges of your three allegations, but, the foundation of those challenges are built upon prudent man logic.

This forum is supposed to be a place where reasonable and open minded people discuss GCA related topics with the idea of sharing their knowledge and opinions as well as hopefully learning new points and ideas.

My observation is that you're not very open minded when it comes to this topic/project and Trump.

You clearly have none of the former attributes to offer nor the ability/desire for the latter.

Rather than make general accusations, please point out the specific flaws in my reasoning.

Quite honestly I am fed up of your pathetic circular drivel and will not bother with it any longer.

I can understand your frustration at not being able to substantiate your allegations and my dogged pursuit of requesting that you produce the documentation to support your allegations, it must be very annoying not to be able to document your claims.

I produced supporting documentation, to prudent men, which excludes you and the "Marks", that I was in Scotland in October of 1992.
All I'm asking you to do is to provide supporting documentation verifying your allegations.

That's not an unreasonable request, especially today, given the access to the internet.

You sad, sad, man!!!

Actually, I'm in rather high spirits and have always had a positive attitude.
But, no amount of name calling will divert me from requesting that you provide substantiating documentation to support your allegations.

Alternatively, you could state that you spoke out of turn since perhaps all of the facts weren't known at the time you made your allegationl.

[Mark_F]

I thought they had announced commencement of the next phase, the construction of the hotel ?

Jeez Patrick, if Trump hires five thousand people to build a hotel, then he'll be selling to place at a knock down price to James Packer in no time at all.

[Patrick_Mucci]

I thought they had announced commencement of the next phase, the construction of the hotel ?

Jeez Patrick, if Trump hires five thousand people to build a hotel, then he'll be selling to place at a knock down price to James Packer in no time at all.

Mark,

I couldn't tell you the number of jobs created in the construction and operation of the hotel, but, I seem to detect a desire on the part of some to see this project fail and I can't understand that.

The hostility, the open and underlying resentment toward the project seem beyond strange.

My observations are that Trump produces good products with superior service, so why wouldn't everyone embrace the project ?

The days of standing in rigid opposition are over, the project is in the ground and operational, so why the continued negative vibe.

I would think that everyone would want the project to succeed beyond expectations.

Maybe someone can explain it to me.

Everyone benefits if the project does well.
Who benefits if it fails ?

[Mark_F]

Mark,

I couldn't tell you the number of jobs created in the construction and operation of the hotel, but, I seem to detect a desire on the part of some to see this project fail and I can't understand that.

The hostility, the open and underlying resentment toward the project seem beyond strange.

My observations are that Trump produces good products with superior service, so why wouldn't everyone embrace the project ?

The days of standing in rigid opposition are over, the project is in the ground and operational, so why the continued negative vibe.

I would think that everyone would want the project to succeed beyond expectations.

Maybe someone can explain it to me.

Everyone benefits if the project does well.
Who benefits if it fails ? [/b][/size][/color]

Patrick,

I will have to side with Trump on one point.  After several weeks driving through remote areas of Ireland, Scotland and England, it is quite startling to see monstrous wind turbines sprouting up in the middle of nowhere.  I reckon he has a point there.  A mushroom cloud would be more inviting...

Trump is a shameless self promoter.  It does him no favours amongst many here, but I guess he operates on the proviso that there is no such thing as bad publicity, and in a crowded marketplace, his products are obviously known about.  I guess it's just a taste thing in the end. 

Given the mindless drunken morons who seem to be increasingly taking over the UK these days, Trump is almost a breath of fresh air. But £200 is still far too much to pay for a round of golf...

[Paul Gray]

For Patrick's next trick he'll be defending the NRA and the tobacco industry. After all, both employ people so where's the problem? I assume Trump will be getting bonus points if local girls start selling their bodies to wealthy tourists?

[Patrick_Mucci]

For Patrick's next trick he'll be defending the NRA and the tobacco industry.

Paul, like many your focus is misguided.  You join the ranks of those who miss the mark regarding the recent tragic event in Newtown.
The primary focus should be on "mental illness" not the instrument of destruction.
On the same day a deranged man attacked and stabbed 22 children at a school in China.
Should China ban all knives or any sharp instrument.
What instruments did the 9-11 terrorists use ?
Should we ban all box cutters ?
No mentally stable person would kill their mother, 26 innocents, and themselves.
One of the problems we face in dealing with mental illness is the barrier the privacy laws create, especially once someone attains 18.
The ability to recognize the symptoms and then intervene should be the primary focus.
Even with youngsters under 18, where drug and alcohol use are a concern, parents encounter impediments with regard to recognition and intervention.

As to tobacco, you must be a Johnny come lately.
I've been an anti-smoking advocate all of my life.

Your absurd, incredibly idiotic comparison between Trump's enterprise in Scotland and recent events in Newtown and the tobacco industry leads me to believe that you're "limited".  You also fail to understand the historical context of the tobacco industry, but that doesn't surprise me.  

After all, both employ people so where's the problem?

The problem is your brain, or rather your lack of one


I assume Trump will be getting bonus points if local girls start selling their bodies to wealthy tourists?

Please tell us that some moron has broken into your computer and is posting under your name.

So now you're claiming that no local girls in Scotland are currently selling their bodies ?? ?

Please get your computer password protected because this moron is making you look like a total dunce, incapable of intelligent thought.

[Paul Gray]

Patrick,

This thread became moronic a long time ago and therefore I had wrongly assumed you would read my comments in the manner in which they were intended.

Nonetheless, your argument about mental health is well made but yet again side steps the issue. Of course you'd have to be mentally unstable to kill 26 innocent children, but that doesn't excuse leniency on gun ownership. I'd love to be able to change the mindset in North Korea but, in the meantime, I'll remain of the opinion that selling nuclear arms to them might not be the smartest of moves.

And as for the local girls, what illogical nonsense led you to conclude that as some girls already prostitute themselves any escalation of such behaviour should be disregarded. That's about as sane as suggesting that once the holocaust began its proliferation was irrelevant.

Yes yes Patrick, extreme I know but you and subtle don't seem good companions, hence the hyperbolic examples.

[Patrick_Mucci]

I will have to side with Trump on one point.  After several weeks driving through remote areas of Ireland, Scotland and England, it is quite startling to see monstrous wind turbines sprouting up in the middle of nowhere.  I reckon he has a point there.  A mushroom cloud would be more inviting...


Mark,
The first time I ever saw those turbines I was driving from Los Angeles to Palm Springs and came upon a wind farm.
I was surprised by their enormous size.  They were huge.  But, they were in a relatively barren/remote area.

As to Trump's objection, it should be noted that the SNH objects to them as well.

Here's a quote from the esteemed Ran Morrissett, describing Mike Keiser.

...every shot comes under Mike’s microscope and any unwanted distractions (power lines, roads, etc.) become hidden. Mike strives for a clean, uncluttered environment in which to recreate and enjoy the game. Anything less is unsatisfactory.


Evidently Mike Keiser and Trump are in perfect harmony regarding extraneous clutter and distractions, yet I haven't noticed any criticisms of Mike Keiser or  his views when it comes to objectionable objects

The only man made object that made me more uncomfortable were the containment vessels I saw as I was driving from Los Angeles to San Luis Obispo, at the nuclear power plant at Diablo Canyon.  They were ominous, almost evil looking.

Trump is a shameless self promoter.

That's a given.
The unfortunate part is that on many of his projects he doesn't have to engage in over the top promotion.
He has a good track record in producing a good product with superior service.
Most understand his promotional efforts and discount/disregard the excess baggage he piles on.


It does him no favours amongst many here, but I guess he operates on the proviso that there is no such thing as bad publicity, and in a crowded marketplace, his products are obviously known about.  I guess it's just a taste thing in the end.  

No question about it, he rubs many the wrong way.
The funny thing is that in person, he's different, he's articulate, funny and personable.
Although, he's been known to get carried away every now and then.
But, he loves golf and takes pride in his golf properties.
I think he wants his course in Scotland to be the gem in his collection.

Given the mindless drunken morons who seem to be increasingly taking over the UK these days,
Trump is almost a breath of fresh air. But £200 is still far too much to pay for a round of golf...

What do the destination courses in the immediate area charge ?

Like many resorts, are there different green fees depending upon whether or not you stay at the hotel ?

It may be that he doesn't understand the market, but, that would surprise me.

People I know, who have played the course, rave about it, so evidently he's succeeded in crafting an exception golf course on the site.
I know that when I spoke to him about the course, he lit up and was very anxious to talk about it.
I don't think there's any denying his interest in golf and golf courses and in producing an exceptional product.

So, why not see what he can accomplish with the project before criticizing everything ?

[Patrick_Mucci]

This thread became moronic a long time ago and therefore I had wrongly assumed you would read my comments in the manner in which they were intended.

Paul,

Unlike Kreskin, I cannot determine your intent, I can only judge by the words you type.

Nonetheless, your argument about mental health is well made but yet again side steps the issue. Of course you'd have to be mentally unstable to kill 26 innocent children, but that doesn't excuse leniency on gun ownership.

There is no leniency when it comes to gun ownership.
Applications for gun ownership go through a process whereby the State Police in the State of application, and I believe, the FBI, check the applicants backround.  The guns used were not owned by the deranged person who committed those horrible acts.
Last I looked, criminals, especially felons, don't subject themselves to the application process and the scrutiny that accompanies it.
With an open border, it's almost impossible to stop the flow of illegal weapons into the U.S.

I'd love to be able to change the mindset in North Korea but, in the meantime,
I'll remain of the opinion that selling nuclear arms to them might not be the smartest of moves.

Uh Oh, that moron must have obtained your password again.  You'd better reset it.
Now you're equating Trump's actions to those of North Korea.
The absurdity of your analogies is mind boggling.

And as for the local girls, what illogical nonsense led you to conclude that as some girls already prostitute themselves any escalation of such behaviour should be disregarded.

That's either your's or that moron who broke into your computer's demented opinion.
If anything, the only thing that might happen is an increase in price, which would be good for the local economy
I'm begining to question your IQ.
So, if a company relocates their National, European or World Headquarters in the same town, you would object based upon belief that it would result in an increase in prostituion, based upon the increase in well to do executive/visitors to the facility.  That's one of the all time dumbest comments I've ever read on this site.

That's about as sane as suggesting that once the holocaust began its proliferation was irrelevant.

Now your equating Trump with Hitler and the SS ?

Paul, the more you type these absurdities, the more you look like an absolute fool, absent any decency and intelligence.
But, you're certainly free to continue to incriminate yourself and be the fool.

Yes yes Patrick, extreme I know but you and subtle don't seem good companions, hence the hyperbolic examples.

I'm pretty astute, so I'd appreciate it if you could cite where you were subtle, because I don't think I'm the only one who missed it.