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Tommy_Naccarato

Fenway CC--Please Take A Bow.........
« on: July 01, 2003, 11:33:20 PM »

The short opener at Fenway, which posesses one of the great Tillie greens in the Game.

After returning from the island after 6 plus days, on Sunday, June 21, I was taken (not by force) to Fenway CC--a A.W. Tillinghast design in Scarsdale, N.Y.

The course has been undergoing a rejuvenation of sorts under the watchful eye of Gil Hanse & Associates, and I have to say, it is clearly evident that Fenway was a course that had literally been swallowed by trees since it was layed out by A.W. Tillinghast some 65 years ago.

The brutally long par 3, 11th. another magnificent green complex surrounded by some pretty scarry sand hazards which are somewhat blind from the tee.

The club has bodly gone where many golf courses and clubs fail to go, and that is acceptance that the golf course has lost much of its ability to function as such because of tree growth. If ever there was a prime example of a golf course blinded by tree growth. But the err of ways was seen and trees have fallen--Fenway is one of the best if not brightest examples, right alongside Oakmont and Winged Foot. They have also made huge steps to recover not only the golf course, but the beauty of what is a glorious parkland setting for golf. When finished with this reclaiming, I suspect that many will be banging down the doors to play there. Fenway is everything we love about a Tillie course and more. In fact, it is better, because no one ever knew it as such!

It looks like it took a lot of work to build Fenway. There is a lot of stone around that property, and in some places huge veins of granite slabs pop out of the ground, and mostly none of it comes into play. I would surmize that the 3rd is probably built on a pile of excavated slabs as it literally lifts the green up into the heavens. While there are more trees to be removed to further strengthen the golf hole, (as an example, right of this beautiful 3rd, and concealing what seems to be even more challenging pin locations as originally designed by the Tillie-man.) the contour of that green is even more impressive and deadly.


Back and front views of the 3rd green. A magnificent built-up green with tons of features. In the back and fore grounds is the Sahara-style bunker that had been grassed in, and Gil Hanse had recovered. Some might question that it needs to be seen better from the tee and the fairway, but according to club record it always had been somewhat of a blind, "peaking" bunker. Gil and Co, merely cut out the grass from the shaping that was left for dead some years ago, put in some drainage, then added sand. The club is actually looking into trying to recvoer the back right pin by tree removal and green restoration. It will be a doozy of a pin placement back there.

All of the bunkering has been rebuilt at Fenway, and there has been nothing but praise for Gil Hanse & Co from the club. They're finding out that all along, they have one of America's GREAT golf courses, and I couldn't agree more.

Wonderfully restored, but somewhat only in place for the much stronger player off of the tee, this reverse church pew bunker set is pretty cool!

It is rumoured that when building the bunker that seperates the 8th and 12th, ace Gil Hanse shaper, Rodney Hines followed Tillie's original plans that stated the bunker completely surround the island in the center.  When digging the new bunker out, Rodney hit some pretty hard rock and had to stop. It had become evident that Tillie stopped there for exactly the same reason when constructing the original!

One of my favorite things about Fenway is the routing. You never seem to be more then a hole to hole and a half away from the clubhouse at all times, and once they get the trees removed from the Western side of the property, it will produce a breath-taking view of this beautiful land.

Golf needs to applaude this club for taking what must have seemed like drastic measures in ripping down trees, and they semed to have made all of the right moves in doing so. For that Golf should be eternally greatful to them for opening the way for other great clubs like themselves, who need help with that first step to recovery.

Allellujah!

Also credit one Geoffrey Childs for finding it and opening the eyes of many, by getting them there for a look..
« Last Edit: July 02, 2003, 02:28:05 PM by Tommy_Naccarato »

Mike Benham

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Re:Fenway CC--Please Take A Bow.........
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2003, 12:14:16 AM »
Tommy -

Very nice work!  You are becoming quite the photographer!

These photos continue to define what a gem Fenway is.
"... and I liked the guy ..."

THuckaby2

Re:Fenway CC--Please Take A Bow.........
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2003, 09:34:47 AM »
Fantastic work - thank you very much for the effort, Tommy!

OK, one stupid question I've always wanted to ask:  is there any connection between this club and the baseball stadium of same name?

TH

ps - Apologies for the horrific tangent that is likely making Tim Weiman cringe, but I know you'd be ok with this, Tommy, being the sports lover that you are...but I got to see a game at Fenway Park last year, and you wanna talk about eye-opening... Yes, PacBell Park is cool, and I loved Wrigley, and Dodger Stadium is dear to my heart, but if that's not the greatest place on earth to watch a major league baseball game than I'm Jack Robinson.

Chris Pike

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Re:Fenway CC--Please Take A Bow.........
« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2003, 10:04:17 AM »
Hopefully my answer to Huckaby's question will prevent any future ill-will on this thread...

Fenway Park was so-named because it is in the Fenway neighborhood of Boston.  The neighborhood got its name from Frederick Law Olmsted, the founder of American landsacape architecture.  According to one Boston publication,

"Olmstead created parkland out of 100 acres of marsh, silt and sewage-tainted Muddy River, and named it after what it was, a fen. It was to be a pastoral and pristine park, affording the weary city dweller some respite from the congestion of buildings, populace and one's own lungs. Within a few years, in the early days of what would become a century-long controversy over what did and did not belong there, tub-thumping Boston boosters, from Yankee architects to Irish politicians, began creating all manner of memorials, universities, hospitals, and apartment buildings, which, with the parkway, became the Fenway, surrounded by the Back Bay, South End, Mission Hill, Roxbury and Brookline."

Hence, the literal translation of "fen" is a "low, flat swampy land; a bog or marsh".  A "way" can be defined as "an opening affording passage"  (The American Heritage dictionary).  I think this might aptly describe the origins of Fenway CC.


"Golf is a game in which you yell Fore, shoot six and write down five."  -Paul Harvey

THuckaby2

Re:Fenway CC--Please Take A Bow.........
« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2003, 10:08:49 AM »
Fantastic - thanks, CDP.  I honestly did not know any of this and thus it contributes to my education both about the golf course and the stadium.  I can't see how this can be seen to be disrupting/hijacking/ruining a thread....

But if you've read certain other threads you know I need to be on my toes.   ;)

TH

Tiger_Bernhardt

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Re:Fenway CC--Please Take A Bow.........
« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2003, 10:13:49 AM »
Thanks Tommy, Geoffrey and Mike both told me Fenway is a must play. Silly, me thought this was a Yankee Red Sox discussion at first. I am glad to see some very good reasons why they are dead on point.

Mike Hendren

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Re:Fenway CC--Please Take A Bow.........
« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2003, 11:04:01 AM »
To me, this web-site is all about the Fenways of the world.  The term "gem" is overused, but likely suits Fenway well.  While I haven't graced its grounds, I am love with the photographs of the green complexes and hope to one day play annie-over across the unbelievable 15th green.

Tommy, great pics.  Thanks.

Mike
Two Corinthians walk into a bar ....

Tommy_Naccarato

Re:Fenway CC--Please Take A Bow.........
« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2003, 12:57:33 PM »
Tom and all,
Fenway, I'm told, got its name from a gentleman named Fenimore, (The same Fenimore you take to go to Winged Foot) and somewhere in that they changed it to Fenway. At least that is what I was told.

If you look deep enough though, you'll find out that Mr. Fenimore actually played Golf with Forrest, Myself and Mutan that day in Matagascar. The man knows how to drink, and Forrest and I had to throw him into the back of Mutan's jeep and take him back to the hotel.

Also, while being a die-hard Dodger fan, my American League team is in fact the BoSox, and one of these days, which looks like as soon as C&C and Gil get done with their projects in Boston, as well as Brad's muni projeect in Bloomfield, Conn, I will make a visit there! Hopefully it will coincide with an interleague Dodger/BoSoxgame!

GeoffreyC

Re:Fenway CC--Please Take A Bow.........
« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2003, 01:02:22 PM »
Tommy

Sad to say but you have worn out your welcome in New York.  Don't bother trying to come back. My couch and wine cabinet are locked.

Boston Red Sox fans are not welcome in the MET section. And to think that I drove you by Yankee Stadium.
« Last Edit: July 02, 2003, 01:04:12 PM by Geoffrey Childs »

Tommy_Naccarato

Re:Fenway CC--Please Take A Bow.........
« Reply #9 on: July 02, 2003, 01:47:05 PM »
Geoff,
The only reason why I wanted to go by Yankee Stadium was so that I could see where the Dodgers ended all of those years of bad luck in 1981! We won the Fall Classic on Yankee turf! :)

Anyway.............


Chris Pike

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Re:Fenway CC--Please Take A Bow.........
« Reply #10 on: July 02, 2003, 01:56:18 PM »
Tommy:

I knew there was something about you that I liked...a BoSox fan!  Thanks for the photos...I'm suprised that Fenway's not ranked in Golf Digest's Top 100...oh wait, no I'm not!  :D

Geoffrey...Congrats on your recent 77 (saw it on the GHIN network).  Must've been a great round!
"Golf is a game in which you yell Fore, shoot six and write down five."  -Paul Harvey

THuckaby2

Re:Fenway CC--Please Take A Bow.........
« Reply #11 on: July 02, 2003, 02:15:48 PM »
Tommy:

Thanks for the further info re the meaning of "Fenway".  These things are interesting to me and well, it is a part of the whole study of the golf course so again, I don't think I'm breaking any perceived rules here.

To that end, as you know I join you in bleeding Dodger blue and oh yes, I very much enjoyed ending our Yankee hex in 1981 as well.  

My only difference is that while I follow the A's with an interest more curious than anything else (given I work in Oakland, it's hard not to notice them), I consider the Junior circuit to be a glorified softball league with that cheating DH of theirs, so whilst I do enjoy parks such as Fenway, serious baseball takes place on the Senior circuit, which of course any serious student of the game would acknowledge.

 ;D ;D ;D

TH

Tommy_Naccarato

Re:Fenway CC--Please Take A Bow.........
« Reply #12 on: July 02, 2003, 02:21:05 PM »
Tom, As I'm writing this, I was just on-line getting ready to send an email and rip into a LA Times Food Section critic who is bagging the Dodger Dog.

Blasphemy is alive.

THuckaby2

Re:Fenway CC--Please Take A Bow.........
« Reply #13 on: July 02, 2003, 02:28:50 PM »
Bagging on the world's greatest culinary delicacy?  Blasphemy is too gentle of a word.  Got get him, Tommy.

 ;D

TH

ps - I assume they're still grilled and the whole boiling issue went away a few years ago, right?  Sadly I have not made the pilgrimage to our Mecca in 5 years at least.