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Sam Morrow

Dismal River and The Midwest Tour
« on: July 02, 2012, 11:02:42 PM »
I don't want to make this a thread about the hilarity and hijinks that we had at Dismal, I want to highlight the course and the other courses I saw. I just got back to Houston a few hours ago, I made the long drive to Dismal with a silver Ford Fiesta I rented from the local Hertz.

My first stop was Dallas National with GCA'ers Cory Lewis and Greg Clark. It was not my first visit to Dallas National but it's a place I always look forward to visiting. I think more of it than most but unlike the average GCA'er I enjoy the work of Tom Fazio. It's a very tough course but very fair, good shots will be rewarded and if you play smart you won't shoot a crazy number.l

I drove by Dallas Country Club, I didn't have time to play but wanted to see the renovation work they had done. It was a zoo when I got there and didn't get out on the course, the new clubhouse facilities look like something I would see in The Hamptons and it seems like golf had become secondary there.

Next leg of the trip was dew sweeping at Old American. I really like this golf course, I think it's probably the second best public course in Texas (after Pine Dunes). Though it's a newer course it has a feel that it's been there for years, it's a GCA'ers delight with quirky greens and center line bunkers. The development has grand plans for Old American including a boutique hotel next to the clubhouse. When you factor in the amount of room around the course maybe this is the course in The Metroplex the PGA or USGA could look at for an event.

Next up I played Crimson Creek a PB Dye course outside OKC. Crimson is not a course that's a must see but was my home course in college and has a couple of good holes and a couple of head scratchers.

The next morning I got more Fazio fun at Flint Hills National, it's a very good course (like most Fazios) and you will enjoy playing it unless you are a Fazio hater.

Flint Hills was my appetizer for an afternoon in Hutchinson at a course called Prairie Dunes. I loved Prairie Dunes, when I walked off the course I told myself it had the best greens I'd ever seen and was the best course I'd ever played, that said I don't like what has been done with some of the landing areas. From talking to people in the know the USGA pinched in several fairways for the 06 Senior Open and the club has not restored them.

Nebraska is yet to come......

Mark Saltzman

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Re: Dismal River and The Midwest Tour
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2012, 11:06:53 PM »
Sam, I look forward to hearing the rest of your reviews. I'm with you on Dallas National, it's a very good golf course.  It's big, it's boldly shaped, it's difficult.  I much preferred it to Flint Hills which wouldn't crack my top-10 Fazios (actually, not even close).  Next time you find yourself in Wichita, check out Wichita CC -- very good golf course with a championship pedigree.

Andy Troeger

Re: Dismal River and The Midwest Tour
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2012, 11:08:49 PM »
What did either of you think about #18 at Flint Hills?

I agree that Dallas National is the better of the two Fazios you saw.

Mark Saltzman

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Re: Dismal River and The Midwest Tour
« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2012, 11:14:44 PM »
Andy, given all I'd heard about 18 at FHN and 'the tree' (the hole was mentioned on the worst holes ever thread on GCA), I was pleasantly surprised.  The tree has to be a non-issue for 90% of golfers.  If I played that hole several times I think I'd find the way I should play it is less than driver - mid-iron layup - short-iron.  The biggest issue with the hole in my mind is the cart path location and the 3 yards of rough through the fairway on the right before you get to thick trees -- shouldn't there be a bit of bailout?

I don't think it's a good hole but I didn't hate it.

Sam Morrow

Re: Dismal River and The Midwest Tour
« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2012, 11:17:53 PM »
18 at Flint Hills is kind of silly but I liked it, it would have been fine if I hadn't driven it in the rough.

Andy Troeger

Re: Dismal River and The Midwest Tour
« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2012, 11:26:01 PM »
No argument with either of those responses. As Mark mentions, I've heard from those who absolutely hate it, and I think Jim Franklin loved it when we played it a few years ago. I'm in the middle.

My problem with it is basically the same as you, Mark. The best way to play it is by laying up...off the tee. Then just get it down there on the second shot and wedge it on. You could play it that way and score pretty well, but the narrow landing area with no bail out really takes driver out of the golfers hands right away. I guess it would be fun in a match where it might be worth hitting driver to try to get there and win the hole, but the odds aren't very good at trying that route.

I love the idea of the hole, but it needed more room to make it work.

mike_beene

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Re: Dismal River and The Midwest Tour
« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2012, 11:40:18 PM »
Hope I never get that silver Ford Fiesta when I rent. Seems like PD is growing on you after a little reflection.Guess I need to see Old American but it is a long way out.As for another PGA stop the old Columbian and now Honors would make more logistical sense and rather than lead this thread off into an irrelevant subject I will shut up.

Greg Chambers

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Re: Dismal River and The Midwest Tour
« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2012, 11:43:06 PM »
I'm happy to hear you enjoyed Old American so much.  I think Tripp Davis is a very under-rated architect...I really enjoy his designs.  He's certainly not afraid to throw the centerline bunkers at you!
"It's good sportsmanship to not pick up lost golf balls while they are still rolling.”

Sam Morrow

Re: Dismal River and The Midwest Tour
« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2012, 11:55:54 PM »
Hope I never get that silver Ford Fiesta when I rent. Seems like PD is growing on you after a little reflection.Guess I need to see Old American but it is a long way out.As for another PGA stop the old Columbian and now Honors would make more logistical sense and rather than lead this thread off into an irrelevant subject I will shut up.

Didn't think of Honors, fair enough. It's not that far to Old American, I went straight up Preston to my hotel by 121 and then up to Legacy. It's really not that far Mike.

Tiger_Bernhardt

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Re: Dismal River and The Midwest Tour
« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2012, 12:09:25 PM »
Sam I think Dallas nat has gotten a lot of respect on here over the years. It is generally considered to be one of his better works which by definition put it in the top 100 and higher. Thanks for mentioning the others for most of them i was not familiar with.

Carl Nichols

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Re: Dismal River and The Midwest Tour
« Reply #10 on: July 03, 2012, 12:22:42 PM »
Sam:
Interesting that you think that Pine Dunes is the best public in TX.  I haven't played enough courses in TX to make a judgment of where it stands compared to other courses, but I played it a couple of years ago expecting to be wowed and, while it was certainly a good course, I didn't think it was that special.  But I've certainly missed things before!  (And the issue wasn't conditioning -- I played in mid-Spring and it was in great shape.)

Paul Jones

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Re: Dismal River and The Midwest Tour
« Reply #11 on: July 03, 2012, 01:59:19 PM »
What a great trip.  Any pictures to share? I am also interested in the clubhouse at Dallas Country Club - any pictures of the clubhouse?
Paul Jones
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Craig Van Egmond

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Re: Dismal River and The Midwest Tour
« Reply #12 on: July 03, 2012, 02:13:23 PM »

Wow Sam.. you and I got to be the only GCA members that have played Crimson Creek!  ;D

I'm not sure if P.B. Dye is a drinker but a couple of them holes make me think he was on something. One of my classmates was the pro there for many years.

John McCarthy

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Re: Dismal River and The Midwest Tour
« Reply #13 on: July 03, 2012, 04:49:55 PM »
What a great trip.  Any pictures to share? I am also interested in the clubhouse at Dallas Country Club - any pictures of the clubhouse?


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mike_beene

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Re: Dismal River and The Midwest Tour
« Reply #14 on: July 03, 2012, 06:22:54 PM »
Paul, DCC is close by so if I can remember tomorrow I will snap one and then ask you how to post it.Not as big but reminds me of the new one at TPC in Jacksonville

Adam Clayman

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Re: Dismal River and The Midwest Tour
« Reply #15 on: July 03, 2012, 10:12:15 PM »
Very sorry I didn't get the chance to come up, or meet up, with many of you. As you all experienced, we are dealing with drought conditions. Yes, there's been some rain, but, good ol' Ogallala has nary seen a drop. The storms come straight for us and either dissipate, or, split. Missing us completely. With well over 100 trees, I've been busy moving water. And then there's Pablo. I've grown so accustomed to golfing with him, I feel horrible if he can't come along and chase squirrels and birds.

Luckily, I was able to meet a few lads at Bayside on Thursday. Ironically, we had to quit after 15 because of lightening.

I wish I had remembered Sunday at Wild Horse. I'd have made sure to made that.

Sam, Any chance you could elaborate on some of your descriptions? Like John, I love hearing about obscure places I've never heard of.
"It's unbelievable how much you don't know about the game you've been playing your whole life." - Mickey Mantle

Sam Morrow

Re: Dismal River and The Midwest Tour
« Reply #16 on: July 03, 2012, 11:52:28 PM »
What a great trip.  Any pictures to share? I am also interested in the clubhouse at Dallas Country Club - any pictures of the clubhouse?

I have pictures but the camera on my phone is jacked up, I am going to Sprint tomorrow to see what I can find out.

Sam Morrow

Re: Dismal River and The Midwest Tour
« Reply #17 on: July 03, 2012, 11:52:54 PM »

Wow Sam.. you and I got to be the only GCA members that have played Crimson Creek!  ;D

I'm not sure if P.B. Dye is a drinker but a couple of them holes make me think he was on something. One of my classmates was the pro there for many years.


Who was the pro you knew?

Sam Morrow

Re: Dismal River and The Midwest Tour
« Reply #18 on: July 04, 2012, 12:10:53 AM »
Adam,

 I will go through and tell about Crimson Creek since it's the only under the radar course I really played on leg 1 of the trip. Before it was Crimson Creek it was the El Reno CC, a 9 holer where the old clubhouse is behind 4 green. PB Dye did some work to the original 9 and added 9 more in the late 90's. A few years ago they built a nice little clubhouse and retired the double wide that I spent so much time dicking around in. The course is not in great shape and is plagued by budget issues and the bureaucracy of being a muni in a small Oklahoma town. 

1. Shortish par 4, dogleg left played downhill to a smallish green, good opener because it's not to demanding.
2. Shortish par 4, again moves left plays along the side of a hill with a creek running down the left. Decent hole.
3. Downhill par 3 played over a pond, in 50 or so plays I've made 2 pars. Nice little hole
4. Par 5 plays uphill off the tee and back downhill for the approach. Boring hole.
5. Long par 4 back uphill, nothing of note on this hole.
6. Back down the hill with the 3rd straight parallel hole, small green, bad bunkering. Once night putted with a girl on that green.
7. Short uphill par 4, there is a giant mound about 15 yards short of the green, terrible hole.
8. Decent par 5 with a creek meandering through the fairway and then a 3 tiered green. This hole is right next to the hospital.
9. Uphill par 3 played to a decent green site.
10. Par 4 playing downhill down a big ridge, boring hole.
11. Blah par 3 played towards the old folks home.
12. Quirky Dye looking par 4 with railroad ties in the bunkers and along the creek green side, I've always liked this hole. There is also a sewage plant just past the green, hence being called the shit hole.
13. Uphill par 4 with the green perched into the side of the dam. The green kind of reminds me of 17 at Prairie Dunes.
14. Long boring par 5 played next to the prison, Timothy McVeigh was housed at that prison.
15. Boring par 3 played down towards the lake, there is a boat ramp just past the green.
16. Par 5 with water all over your second that so you never know where to hit it. Also where all the ducks in El Reno seem to poop and have sex.
17. The dam hole, it's either the best hole in America or the worst. It's a long par 4 where the box is about 5 square feet and on top of the dam. There is also a long carry over a bog, the fairway is right next to the dam so you can aim right and let it come off the hill. The green is up the hill and cut into the side of the damn. If you miss the green long the rough is about 2 feet tall.
18. Good par 4 where the drive is played over a cove and the green is down near the main boat ramp.

It really is a fun course.

Sam Morrow

Re: Dismal River and The Midwest Tour
« Reply #19 on: July 04, 2012, 12:24:01 AM »
The next stop on the trip was to Valentine, Nebraska and The Prairie Club. This is a cool place, a great lodge and amazing food. Many people are not a fan of The Pines Course but I enjoyed it. It has a few different identities with some holes playing close to the river canyon and other playing more like Prairie Golf, I found the course incredibly tough.

I liked The Dunes Course but kind of thought that they tried to hard. Everything seemed a bit over the top and the routing was very poor and it was easy to get lost. I expected a little better I suppose.

I want The Horse Course in my backyard, I spent 3 hours out there and only stopped because I could no longer see. Playing it and hearing the bagpipes at the clubhouse was wonderful. Every club should have a place like this, also check out the practice green adjacent to the Horse, it's a must see.

Next stop was Sand Hills, there really isn't much that can be said, it's perfect, I really think everything about it is perfect. On every green I looked back and thought about what I would change, I came up with nothing. Many say The Godfather is the perfect movie, Sand Hills is The Godfather of golf courses. Anyone who loves this game needs to play the course and sit out at Ben's Porch and enjoy an amazing view. Dick Youngscap is a great man for giving us Sand Hills.

Sam Morrow

Re: Dismal River and The Midwest Tour
« Reply #20 on: July 04, 2012, 01:09:22 AM »
bviously Dismal River had been a lighting rod on this site so I thought I'd give the good, the bad, and the ugly of Dismal. I don't begrudge any of the sides for the fighting over Dismal but as an outside observer who was just there I think it's time to set the record straight on the place.

Getting to Dismal isn't easy, when you turn off 97 it's 17 miles (I think I measured it at just over 18 all the way to the clubhouse) of one lane road and then dirt road. It's a solid 30 minutes depending on if there is anyone else on the road or if the FedEx truck is going to fast and not paying attention. Once you get there you see the Doak unfolding around you and then you see the clubhouse and cabins on the hill in the distance. The clubhouse is great, a small but well stocked shop, the theater room, billards, poker, gym, and business center. The bar and dining areas are great, the food is great, yes it's expensive but you have to be naive to think a place like Dismal River is going to have cheap food prices. They do have one of the best pork chops I've ever had and the fire pit and the back patio are wonderful, I don't think there was a night I ever left that patio before midnight.

Chris had taken lots of heat on this site for self promotion, there are plenty of people who promote themselves on this site, anyone who want to hear passion and love for something should pick up the phone and call Chris. I'm sure he would gladly talk to you, I've never seen someone with so much passion for something he also does everything in his power to make you feel at home. I watched him interact with people, he is that way with everyone, this would be a better game if more club were run by people like Chris.

The cabins are great, they are furnished wonderfully, have satellite TV, and a great shower. Since cell reception is nonexistent out there I loved the free long distance calls, of everything at Dismal I thought this might be the best touch Chris and staff made. If you really want to live it up or have a bigger group the signature cabins are wonderful! My only bone to pick with them is that I have a hard time calling them cabins, those are houses.

There are 2 practice facilities at Dismal and both are good. I love the range up by the clubhouse which will be the range for the Doak course. From the main area at the club you take a 5-10 minute cart ride out to Jack's Shack and the course. Now the hole by hole tour,

1. I love this par 4, you have the giant speed slot and the approach played to the punchbowl green, it's a quirky hole, the first of many at Dismal.

2. When you are on the rest of the front 9 and look up the ridge to 2 I see what should be one of the best holes in the world but a hole I think falls short. The drive played across a canyon has much more room than it appears but down the hill is a popular spot. We found 14 ProV's in the weeds right in our group alone. It's an awkward second shot that I think would be a better hole with a taller stick.

3. A very good par 3. kind of reminds me of 17 at Sand Hills.

4. The famous windmill hole, someone made an interesting point, with a windmill it's a cool hole but if it was a tree the hole would be slammed for being stupid. It's a good driving hole and a good green complex, I know that seeing both Cory and I with eagle putts was awe inspiring, we both gave decent runs but we never get eagle putts so damn!

5. The saddle hole, it is stupid? Yes, it's a retarded hole, but I loved it! Anything can happen on this and usually does, except for birdies, I don't think those ever happen.

6. A lot of people don't like it but I do. As a short par 4 it works great.

7. I found the false front to severe for such a long hole, it's one tough SOB.

8. The short par 4 that can be reached by all but me. Cory twice had eagle putts, I'm pretty sure he popped wood the second time.

9. An awesome par 5 which I wish something were done with the right side. The drive seems kind of awkward but the green is awesome. I think the right side just needs to be widened.

10. The donut green. We played 3 different holes on that green, at first I hate the hole and the concept but now I love it. It's one of the stupidest holes I've ever seen but can play it all day.

11. Cool hole, the fairway bunker is in play for a short hitter like me and I like the big green with lots of movement.

12. A cool long par 5, it's got a very tough green site.

13. I like the new hole but Saturday afternoon played the old hole down the hill, I liked it a lot. I'm curious why that hole is being abandoned.

14. Don't like it, Cory and I termed it the abortion hole. These guys can't play to that green off that downhill lie, I made a double on it and actually hit some very good shots.

15. An all world par 3 in the dunes, when I played the reverse, cross country Dismal I played this as a short par 4 from 14 green.

16. A tough par 4 that gave a short hitter like me fits.

17. Another tough par 4, big dogleg left played to a very tough green.

18. I loved this hole, I don't know why anybody bitches about it. I played both the upper and lower tees and enjoyed it from both, really a good finisher.

I was telling someone that Dismal doesn't strike me as prairie golf the way Sand Hills does but almost like mountain golf. The pictures don't do the severity of the site justice. Dismal is a very good course and it lots of fun. It's not a great golf course, truthfully it's not in the same league at Sand Hills or Wild Horse, but it's very different than those 2. It's very comparable with The Prairie Club. depending on my mood or the day of the week I would go back and forth on which is better. I've never played Tobacco Road but it seems like Dismal is how Tobacco Road plays.

Sam Morrow

Re: Dismal River and The Midwest Tour
« Reply #21 on: July 04, 2012, 01:27:31 AM »
The last 2 courses on the tour were Wild Horse and Awarri Dunes.

I loved Wild Horse, it was amazing and one of the best conditioned courses I've ever played. I wish every town in America had something this good, I hope the town of Gothenburg knows how lucky they are. It's truly amazing what was done on a piece of property that seems relatively featureless.

Last was Awarii Dunes, I've only played one Engh course, Lakota Canyon. I didn't expect much at Awarii and I didn't get much. The highlight of my visit really was what I did in the bathroom. The course is in terrible condition, dead grass, bare spots, a temp green on 9. The course was even very interesting. I really expect to read that it will be closing it's doors, I was the only person on the course on a beautiful Sunday afternoon.

Jason Hines

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Re: Dismal River and The Midwest Tour
« Reply #22 on: July 04, 2012, 08:52:30 AM »
Sam,

Looking forward to the pictures, good luck at Sprint.  I think your assessments are spot on, however I have not played Prairie Dunes yet which is a shame because it is only 2.5 hours down the road.

That is very disappointing to hear about Awarii Dunes, I grew up in Kearney and still have family there.  Struck out at my only attempt to play there because of the weather last fall.  I think they have the opportunity to succeed with a relatively larger population base compared to WH and other Nebraska courses.

Did the bent play spongy?  I can imagine the amount of water they have to pump on the course this time of year.

Jason

Mac Plumart

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Re: Dismal River and The Midwest Tour
« Reply #23 on: July 04, 2012, 09:43:12 AM »
Sam...love the post.  Glad you took the time to visit.  A lot of your hole by hole analysis touches on how I feel about things as well and that is a lot of the holes would not be ideal to have on my day-in-day-out golf course...but to go visit at a destination course, they work perfectly and are a ton of fun and unique. 

I'll do the Mucci style response below.



bviously Dismal River had been a lighting rod on this site so I thought I'd give the good, the bad, and the ugly of Dismal. I don't begrudge any of the sides for the fighting over Dismal but as an outside observer who was just there I think it's time to set the record straight on the place.

Getting to Dismal isn't easy, when you turn off 97 it's 17 miles (I think I measured it at just over 18 all the way to the clubhouse) of one lane road and then dirt road. It's a solid 30 minutes depending on if there is anyone else on the road or if the FedEx truck is going to fast and not paying attention. Once you get there you see the Doak unfolding around you and then you see the clubhouse and cabins on the hill in the distance. The clubhouse is great, a small but well stocked shop, the theater room, billards, poker, gym, and business center. The bar and dining areas are great, the food is great, yes it's expensive but you have to be naive to think a place like Dismal River is going to have cheap food prices. They do have one of the best pork chops I've ever had and the fire pit and the back patio are wonderful, I don't think there was a night I ever left that patio before midnight.

Chris had taken lots of heat on this site for self promotion, there are plenty of people who promote themselves on this site, anyone who want to hear passion and love for something should pick up the phone and call Chris. I'm sure he would gladly talk to you, I've never seen someone with so much passion for something he also does everything in his power to make you feel at home. I watched him interact with people, he is that way with everyone, this would be a better game if more club were run by people like Chris.

The cabins are great, they are furnished wonderfully, have satellite TV, and a great shower. Since cell reception is nonexistent out there I loved the free long distance calls, of everything at Dismal I thought this might be the best touch Chris and staff made. If you really want to live it up or have a bigger group the signature cabins are wonderful! My only bone to pick with them is that I have a hard time calling them cabins, those are houses.

There are 2 practice facilities at Dismal and both are good. I love the range up by the clubhouse which will be the range for the Doak course. From the main area at the club you take a 5-10 minute cart ride out to Jack's Shack and the course. Now the hole by hole tour,

1. I love this par 4, you have the giant speed slot and the approach played to the punchbowl green, it's a quirky hole, the first of many at Dismal.

Agreed


2. When you are on the rest of the front 9 and look up the ridge to 2 I see what should be one of the best holes in the world but a hole I think falls short. The drive played across a canyon has much more room than it appears but down the hill is a popular spot. We found 14 ProV's in the weeds right in our group alone. It's an awkward second shot that I think would be a better hole with a taller stick.

Love the taller stick idea.  But I love the hole as it is as well.  The tee shot is easy after you play the hole a few times.  14 ProV's in the weeds comes from not properly pulling off the risk/reward...there is a HUGE bail out area to the left.


3. A very good par 3. kind of reminds me of 17 at Sand Hills.

Agreed


4. The famous windmill hole, someone made an interesting point, with a windmill it's a cool hole but if it was a tree the hole would be slammed for being stupid. It's a good driving hole and a good green complex, I know that seeing both Cory and I with eagle putts was awe inspiring, we both gave decent runs but we never get eagle putts so damn!

Great point on the tree.  Fun hole.  Changes dramatically with the wind, which makes it fun for repeat plays.


5. The saddle hole, it is stupid? Yes, it's a retarded hole, but I loved it! Anything can happen on this and usually does, except for birdies, I don't think those ever happen.

You are correct.  Not a hole I'd want day in and day out, but I get giddy just thinking about playing it as I walk off the 4th green and approach 5 tee.  And, yes, birdies are made there.


6. A lot of people don't like it but I do. As a short par 4 it works great.

I love this hole.  The only people I've seen not like it are people who botch the shots.  It is easy and should yield a birdie putt.


7. I found the false front to severe for such a long hole, it's one tough SOB.

Tough SOB if the wind is in your face...plays like a par 5 then.  With the wind behind, it is much easier.  Scrub the false front, you the slope on the left to run the ball off of and feed the ball down to the hole.


8. The short par 4 that can be reached by all but me. Cory twice had eagle putts, I'm pretty sure he popped wood the second time.

Fun hole!


9. An awesome par 5 which I wish something were done with the right side. The drive seems kind of awkward but the green is awesome. I think the right side just needs to be widened.

Chris...don't touch the 9th hole.   Widening the right side takes all the risk/reward out of the drive.  The right side is the place to be, but too far right puts you in rough.  I love how you've made the rough more playable...still a penalty, but very much recoverable.  Great hole!!


10. The donut green. We played 3 different holes on that green, at first I hate the hole and the concept but now I love it. It's one of the stupidest holes I've ever seen but can play it all day.

Sam...you've nailed it.  It just might be stupid...but it is the most fun hole and the course.  It is a blast if the pin is in the front (or back) and your tee ball lands in the back (or front)...you can feed balls over the slopes close to the hole.  Fun golf hole!


11. Cool hole, the fairway bunker is in play for a short hitter like me and I like the big green with lots of movement.

Agreed.  But depending on the wind, the fairway bunker is usually in play for all.


12. A cool long par 5, it's got a very tough green site.

Classically great hole with a nuanced green.


13. I like the new hole but Saturday afternoon played the old hole down the hill, I liked it a lot. I'm curious why that hole is being abandoned.

I don't think that is the old green, Sam.  It was a trial green.  And this hole should be a case study on how to make a ball busting almost unplayable hole into a great hole.  Highlights for this change to me are which tee you start from, the making of the lower fairway, and the improvment in playability of the native grass.


14. Don't like it, Cory and I termed it the abortion hole. These guys can't play to that green off that downhill lie, I made a double on it and actually hit some very good shots.

 ;)


15. An all world par 3 in the dunes, when I played the reverse, cross country Dismal I played this as a short par 4 from 14 green.

Great hole!


16. A tough par 4 that gave a short hitter like me fits.

How far do you carry the ball off the tee Sam?  I'm no big hitter and I can cut the corner in almost any wind and have a 9 iron, or so, in.  But what is great about the hole, is that you don't need to cut the corner.  You can play up the left side and have 4 iron in with an unobstructed view and you can even bounce a ball in on the ground.  And, oh yeah, that green is epic!


17. Another tough par 4, big dogleg left played to a very tough green.

I wish I would have played with you...17 isn't tough is you play it correctly.  You never, never, never try to cut that corner unless you are a flat out bomber.  Play it out right, and ease the ball onto the green...never forced it on 17.


18. I loved this hole, I don't know why anybody bitches about it. I played both the upper and lower tees and enjoyed it from both, really a good finisher.

18 is great fun!


I was telling someone that Dismal doesn't strike me as prairie golf the way Sand Hills does but almost like mountain golf. The pictures don't do the severity of the site justice. Dismal is a very good course and it lots of fun. It's not a great golf course, truthfully it's not in the same league at Sand Hills or Wild Horse, but it's very different than those 2. It's very comparable with The Prairie Club. depending on my mood or the day of the week I would go back and forth on which is better. I've never played Tobacco Road but it seems like Dismal is how Tobacco Road plays.
Sportsman/Adventure loving golfer.

Adam Clayman

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Re: Dismal River and The Midwest Tour
« Reply #24 on: July 04, 2012, 10:48:52 AM »
Hmmm, Chris has already widened the right side of #9.

Brian, 12 is a decent hole. The par 5 plays quite differently, wind dependent. The fortress bunker along the right is a beast, as well as the green.
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