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Ted Sturges

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Streamsong
« on: June 22, 2012, 01:40:38 PM »
If you haven't looked at the Streamsong website recently, they have updated it and added lots of new pics from both courses.  Looks fantastic.

www.streamsongresort.com   

TS

Stephen Davis

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Re: Streamsong
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2012, 02:08:33 PM »
Thanks for posting that. I am very impressed so far. I can't wait to get the chance to play there. #7 on the BLUE looks to be a solid par 3 and having the water there is a definite departure from what I have seen of Doak so far. #15 on the RED caught my eye immediately.

Ted Sturges

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Re: Streamsong
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2012, 02:12:42 PM »
Thanks for posting that. I am very impressed so far. I can't wait to get the chance to play there. #7 on the BLUE looks to be a solid par 3 and having the water there is a definite departure from what I have seen of Doak so far. #15 on the RED caught my eye immediately.

I think the one shot 7th on the Streamsong BLUE might have been inspired by the unique one shot 5th hole at Quail Crossing Golf Club.

TS

Jeff_Mingay

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Re: Streamsong
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2012, 02:23:02 PM »
Incredible property.

I'm wondering though, what differentiates the two courses? Looking at the photos at the Streamsong web site, it seems both have a similar aesthetic... which probably isn't the case at all, when there in person.

Tom D. - I imagine there was serious effort by yours and Bill's crews to 'do something different' with each course?
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Howard Riefs

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Re: Streamsong
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2012, 02:28:31 PM »
Thanks for catching this. Very nice new photo gallery of both courses

Interestingly, the site also has an online form to request tee times ... but not a phone number to obtain additional information and/or request one of the clubhouse rooms.  

"Golf combines two favorite American pastimes: Taking long walks and hitting things with a stick."  ~P.J. O'Rourke

PCCraig

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Re: Streamsong
« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2012, 02:32:19 PM »
Looks awesome. Can't wait to get down there soon. Maybe this winter?
H.P.S.

John Kavanaugh

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Re: Streamsong
« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2012, 02:32:43 PM »
Not thrilled by the LA inspired architecture.  

Steve_ Shaffer

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Re: Streamsong
« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2012, 02:39:55 PM »
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Jim_Kennedy

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Re: Streamsong
« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2012, 02:46:41 PM »
Not thrilled by the LA inspired architecture.  

It has a certain industrial quality to it that fits, although who knows what the finished product will look like.

Maybe it needs more of this



"I never beat a well man in my life" - Harry Vardon

Tom_Doak

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Re: Streamsong
« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2012, 02:52:31 PM »
Incredible property.

I'm wondering though, what differentiates the two courses? Looking at the photos at the Streamsong web site, it seems both have a similar aesthetic... which probably isn't the case at all, when there in person.

Tom D. - I imagine there was serious effort by yours and Bill's crews to 'do something different' with each course?

Jeff:

We spoke about that some at the beginning, but I think that both Bill and I felt that if we just did our own thing, the courses would be different enough; and we didn't want to force things by each having a theme, any more than we normally do.  We expected they'd look like cousins, but not twins, and I think that's how they've come out.  I don't think you would mistake many of my holes for many of Bill's, or vice versa.

Ted Sturges

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Re: Streamsong
« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2012, 02:58:18 PM »
I could not find on the website the routing map of the 2 courses.  I understand that they are very close to each other with some holes maybe even being routed within the other course's routing.  I'd love to see that when it is released.  I had seen a few photos of the site but had been sworn to secrecy.  Nice that we can all now see what this course looks like.  It apprears to me that one could also easily get to Mountain Lake from Streamsong, so there will be plenty of reason to take a trip to this part of Florida.

Tom Doak, can you tell us how close this place is to Mountain Lake?

TS

Howard Riefs

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Re: Streamsong
« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2012, 03:12:26 PM »
I could not find on the website the routing map of the 2 courses.  I understand that they are very close to each other with some holes maybe even being routed within the other course's routing.  I'd love to see that when it is released.  I had seen a few photos of the site but had been sworn to secrecy.  Nice that we can all now see what this course looks like.  It apprears to me that one could also easily get to Mountain Lake from Streamsong, so there will be plenty of reason to take a trip to this part of Florida.

Tom Doak, can you tell us how close this place is to Mountain Lake?

TS


You are correct. Here's the routing:




http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,50968.0.html

"Golf combines two favorite American pastimes: Taking long walks and hitting things with a stick."  ~P.J. O'Rourke

Jud_T

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Re: Streamsong
« Reply #12 on: June 22, 2012, 03:39:57 PM »
I'm actually cautiously optimistic about the building architecture based on the renderings.  I love the idea of really good modern architecture on golf courses as opposed to the typical pseudo-revival suburban McMansion, it's just that as in golf most building architects and clients just aren't that good.
« Last Edit: June 22, 2012, 03:41:29 PM by Jud Tigerman »
Golf is a game. We play it. Somewhere along the way we took the fun out of it and charged a premium to be punished.- - Ron Sirak

Tim Gavrich

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Re: Streamsong
« Reply #13 on: June 22, 2012, 09:09:02 PM »
Man, that looks cool. The courses look like they were designed particularly with wind and ground options in mind. I assume the soil drains really well? Are visitors likely to feel healthy winds out there?
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Bill_McBride

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Re: Streamsong
« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2012, 09:53:10 PM »
No reason Streamsong can't be the winter Bandon.  Much easier to travel to and the golf looks wonderful.  The weather will be much more predictable than Bandon.

Sam Morrow

Re: Streamsong
« Reply #15 on: June 22, 2012, 10:23:10 PM »
No reason Streamsong can't be the winter Bandon.  Much easier to travel to and the golf looks wonderful.  The weather will be much more predictable than Bandon.

GCA Spring Training Outing?

Jim_Kennedy

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Re: Streamsong
« Reply #16 on: June 23, 2012, 12:39:18 AM »
I take back everything I ever said about Florida.

Sincerely,
Matt Ward


(sorry Joe B  ;) )
"I never beat a well man in my life" - Harry Vardon

Bill_McBride

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Re: Streamsong
« Reply #17 on: June 23, 2012, 01:36:49 AM »
No reason Streamsong can't be the winter Bandon.  Much easier to travel to and the golf looks wonderful.  The weather will be much more predictable than Bandon.

GCA Spring Training Outing?

Winner winner.

Kris Shreiner

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Re: Streamsong
« Reply #18 on: June 23, 2012, 07:10:05 AM »
A major, key element to the project's success will the daily vibe...can they get that special "it" feeling that the really great course destinations all have. Modern, edgy architecture can rob a bit of that potential; it just doesn't really compliment natural course presentations as well as more rustic, softer edged structures from my view.

If you look to Bandon and Kingsbarns, BY FAR... the two most financially successful golf destination products created in the last 15 years, BOTH have architecture that generally fits their surroundings, though I always thought KB could have a bit more complimentary landscape setting around the immediate clubhouse area.

They also BOTH have CADDIES, though the caliber and consistency of the experience has been uneven at both, especially in the early years. These are different times, mis-steps will be punished severely, and Streamsong needs to nail that vibe properly, or the place WILL struggle. Cart golf being the dominant form of play slated for there, due to the heat, will present another potential vibe killer. There are a lot of layers to get right on that daily presentation...we'll see what evolves? I for one hope they realize a "corporate" approach won't deliver what they need.

Tim G,

Yes, the soil drains really well. Tom Doak told the little troupe that was fortunate enough to tee it up there this past Winter that it IS a windy site ,especially for inland Florida. The day we played, it was more like Scotland! Light rain showers, the occasional squall, and it still was very good golfing ground, despite the conditions.
  

Cheers,
Kris 8)



 
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"I said in a talk at the Dunhill Tournament in St. Andrews a few years back that I thought any of the caddies I'd had that week would probably make a good golf course architect. We all want to ask golfers of all abilities to get more out of their games -caddies do that for a living." T.Doak

Jud_T

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Re: Streamsong
« Reply #19 on: June 23, 2012, 08:05:34 AM »
Kris,

There's good architecture and bad.  Modern's got nothing to do with it.  Arguably building a phony interpretative recreation of a quaint british clubhouse is aesthetically more offensive than doing something representative of the courses' era and locale.  
« Last Edit: June 23, 2012, 08:07:49 AM by Jud Tigerman »
Golf is a game. We play it. Somewhere along the way we took the fun out of it and charged a premium to be punished.- - Ron Sirak

Tom_Doak

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Re: Streamsong
« Reply #20 on: June 23, 2012, 08:36:37 AM »
I take back everything I ever said about Florida.

Sincerely,
Matt Ward


(sorry Joe B  ;) )

Hey pardner,

Matt Ward is ahead of you here; he came out in January to get a tour of both courses.

Jim_Kennedy

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Re: Streamsong
« Reply #21 on: June 23, 2012, 01:31:34 PM »
TD,
Hopefully he didn't wear out all the grass playing from the tips.

The two courses look like winners. 
"I never beat a well man in my life" - Harry Vardon

Kyle Harris

Re: Streamsong
« Reply #22 on: June 23, 2012, 01:35:52 PM »
I take back everything I ever said about Florida.

Sincerely,
Matt Ward


(sorry Joe B  ;) )

Hey pardner,

Matt Ward is ahead of you here; he came out in January to get a tour of both courses.

Seeing (NOT hearing) Matt Ward at a loss for words has been one of the many joys of this experience.

John_Cullum

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Re: Streamsong
« Reply #23 on: June 23, 2012, 01:37:13 PM »
Cart golf being the dominant form of play slated for there, due to the heat, will present another potential vibe killer.


Golf season in that part of Florida is in the Winter. November thru April is very pleasant for the most part
"We finally beat Medicare. "

Jim_Kennedy

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Re: Streamsong
« Reply #24 on: June 23, 2012, 04:11:00 PM »

Seeing (NOT hearing) Matt Ward at a loss for words has been one of the many joys of this experience.

Matt Ward, speechless in FLA.  That is sooooooooooooooooo   8)

"I never beat a well man in my life" - Harry Vardon