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Michael J. Moss

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Fenway Golf Club - 14th tee (fairness versus artificiality)
« on: December 06, 2008, 05:04:43 PM »
My exposure to golf and subsequent addiction to golf course architecture began on this AW Tillinghast beauty. What makes Fenway truly important stems from the membership having the good sense to leave the course alone. They never tampered with it. As a result, it is an unspoiled example of Tillinghast at the height of his powers (1924). The accepted history has it that Fenway’s original architect, Devereaux Emmett, was either halted before completing his design, or it was finished and then plowed under to bring in Tillinghast following his great success in building the two courses at Winged Foot.

Like Winged Foot West, the original par at Fenway was 72, with the current 5th and 14th holes designed as par-5s. The 5th has been on the score card as a brutal par-4 for many years, measuring about 480 yards from the black tee. The 14th hole, on the other hand, was shortened to around 380 – 390 yards from approximately 460 yards prior to WW II. This decision was probably the sole one made by a (rogue) Green Chairman or Committee. So I would amend “never tampered with it” to “hardly ever” tampered with it. Why was it shortened? Two words, plus a familiar set of initials to explain: uphill, blind, OB. The tee shot was blind with out of bounds running down the left side. The 1926 aerial shows this par-5 with few trees to the right, so there was a bail-out with the small 15th green out of range even for the big hitters.

As featured in the “Courses by Country" section, Fenway was profiled following a well regarded restoration by Gil Hanse and his team back in 2001(?). As part of the project, the 14th hole was lengthened and a fair amount of fill was brought in to build up the teeing area to keep the landing area in view. The new tees were “tied in” reasonably well to their surrounds, but in my opinion, the area still looked built up and stood out as such when compared to the rest of Tillinghast’s teeing areas.

Two autumns ago, the decision was made to lengthen the hole again. Since the grade falls down towards the 11th green, a great deal of additional fill was needed to build up the back tee. From the new tee, the view of the 14th fairway is excellent, but at a cost. The following photos show that “fairness” was achieved (or blindness negated) at the expense of artificiality. The view of the 14th tee from the 11th green is (I hate to say) awful! I cannot believe the resulting stadium golf look was condoned by Mr. Hanse, let alone built by his people.
 
Question: Would the hole be improved if the teeing area was reestablished as Tillinghast envisioned it: uphill, blind, with OB left? It would be funky. But on a par four (and a half), I would say the tee shot would be appropriate, and  the resulting hole a better one. The improvement based on aesthetics alone are compelling.

I truly love this golf course. But I can't understand how a stewardship that historically has to get high marks could allow this to happen. All in the name of "fairness."


view from the 11th green: looking at the 12th tee and 13th green (on left).



view from the 11th green looking at the rear of the 14th tee. (Muy malo!)



view of 11th green and side of 14th tee. (tied in?)



another view from 11th green...







Mike_Cirba

Re: Fenway Golf Club - 14th tee (fairness versus artificiality)
« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2008, 10:19:18 PM »
Better get out of the way before that thing pops!    :o

Greg Stebbins

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Re: Fenway Golf Club - 14th tee (fairness versus artificiality)
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2008, 01:47:21 PM »
I agree that a lower tee would look more natural in its setting, however the 14th has OB hard on the left and trees all up the right side.  It is a very demanding tee shot and being able to see the OB stakes up the left side adds a level of intimidation.  Because of this, I do like the decision to build up the tee box to the level of the other tees.

I would also point out the 13th green which can be seen in left background of the first photo.  That green is built up to the same extent as the new 14th tee box so is a pile of fill like that really out of place on the golf course?

HamiltonBHearst

Re: Fenway Golf Club - 14th tee (fairness versus artificiality)
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2008, 04:43:36 PM »


The hole would be better with a more natural teeing area and I have a hard time understanding how making the actual stakes visible is more "intimidating" in light of the fact that the player is well aware the hole runs along the property boundary.

As for the 13th green-site, that looks to be a push up green on the top of a natural ridge, I am sure Westchester county has many examples of Tillinghast pushing up greens in this manner.  Are there any examples of tillinghast pushing up teeing areas in this manner?

It certainly is not the most attractive thing to be looking at from the 11th green but it certainly negates the average country club golfer who would want a hedge there anyway ???

Fenway just needs to leave well enough alone, they have a wonderful course.  Well maybe remove 1000 trees and make it more wonderful.


Bill_McBride

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Re: Fenway Golf Club - 14th tee (fairness versus artificiality)
« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2008, 06:06:37 PM »
This has also happened at Olympic Club in San Francisco and Oakmont in Pittsburgh.  Those back tees "required" by the longer balls and implements can sometimes need to be elevated and that means a lot of unnatural earth moving. 

Or maybe rolling back the ball?

Michael J. Moss

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Re: Fenway Golf Club - 14th tee (fairness versus artificiality)
« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2008, 12:53:49 PM »
Greg,

The 13th green is very much a push-up green, but it works wonderfully as one would expect from AWT. The image below was taken from the green's right side as the golfer plays the hole, or as another reference, on your right after teeing off from 14. It gives you an idea of how pushed up it is. Trust me when I say it doesn't make what 's happening next door at the 14th tee look any better.

My point is the solution taken by the club to eliminate a blind tee shot was at too great an expense, and I'd argue the hole would be better if the tee shot was blind.

All too often, if a hole is difficult the outcry is it's an unfair. In this case blind.  I like holes that are strategic in nature as much as anyone. Assuming the tee shot was lowered to the proper grade and the landing area was not visible, the decsion by the golfer would be play it as a par-5, or par-4. This might require the more timid to hit a three would or hybrid to get it in play.

The 1926 aerial indicates the neo-sahara bunkers that begin 110 yards from the green to 25 yards short of the putting surface did not exist in 1926 when it was a par-5. They were aded when the hole was shortened.

Lower the tee and remove those bunkers.


Mark McKeever

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Re: Fenway Golf Club - 14th tee (fairness versus artificiality)
« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2012, 01:41:20 PM »
I figured this may be a cool one to bring back up. 

Do we have any pictures/drawings of what the original Emmet layout may have looked like?  I can't imagine it was that bad right?  It was probably cool and quirky like St. Georges, but not a US Open layout like WF and QR which were right next door. 

Thoughts?

Mark
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Patrick_Mucci

Re: Fenway Golf Club - 14th tee (fairness versus artificiality)
« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2012, 01:57:40 PM »
Mike,

Many tees at NGLA and other great classic courses are raised, artificially, so I don't have a problem with the 14th tee.

I do have a problem with the trees on the right since the penalty left is so severe on this long, difficult hole.