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TEPaul

Re:The early American "amateur" architect....
« Reply #50 on: March 31, 2007, 02:32:44 PM »
Bob:

Yes he was. He won the California State Amateur a bunch of times. He sold real estate for the Pacific Improvement Company that was managed by Samuel Morse. Morse then bought about 3,500 acres that was what we know today as Seventeen Mile Drive, and Morse got Neville and Douglas Grant (another California State Amateur Champion) to build the Del Monte Golf and Country Club in 1918 that later became known as Pebble Beach.

BCrosby

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Re:The early American "amateur" architect....
« Reply #51 on: March 31, 2007, 02:58:58 PM »
I had forgotten about Neville. Another good example.

Peter -

It's hard to think of CBM as humble. Everything about him was arrogant. In matters of gca, he wanted to take the best holes from Europe and make them better. It's uniquely American to think that way.

But my point about the early amateurs is simply that they had the self confidence to do it themselves. Even when they had the resources to hire tried and true professionals. Which was also uniquely American.

As it happened, some did their homework and things turned out well. Others didn't (or didn't know there was such a thing as homework) and things didn't turn out so well.

The larger point is that it has always been part of American gca that the layman had a hands on attitude. A Viennese would not suggest improvements to a Mozart concerto. A Parisian would not ask for fixes to a Matisse. But, heck, people started changing MacK courses before he had left the grounds. (I appreciate that the parallels aren't strictly apt here, but you get my drift.)

Bob

« Last Edit: March 31, 2007, 03:00:31 PM by BCrosby »

TEPaul

Re: The early American "amateur" architect....
« Reply #52 on: June 12, 2012, 08:41:37 PM »
I saw a guest looking at this thread in a feature of GOLFCLUBATLAS I didn't remember existed. I'm bringing this thread up to the front again for the reason I want to read through it again and I want it near the front while I try to learm better how to use the search engine on this website. You can't believe how I used to try to find threads on here----a real manual struggle just going back in time through the pages looking at every title.

There are some impressive posts on this thread, particularly from Bob Crosby! He has done a comprehensive and very impressive study of this subject and written on it extremely well. One of his articles published abroad was recently singled out and recognized and I think republished.
« Last Edit: June 12, 2012, 08:44:38 PM by TEPaul »

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