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Tommy_Naccarato

Reflections From The New York School
« on: June 26, 2003, 11:28:42 AM »
I want to first say thanks to everyone involved. Thanks for putting up with me for 8 days!

I had never been to New York. The closest I ever got to the place was Plainfield, NJ, and even then I could smell the greatness. I just didn't know how great. In a similar fashion to a dream trip I took by myself in 1996 to the UK, I couldn't sleep in the nights proceeding my departure.

For those of us out here in the West, I can only say one thing in terms of a safe journey, and that is Jet Blue. With a fleet of brand new immaculately maintained aircraft, Unbelievable crew and a fare of just $252.00 round trip including tax, out of the no frills/no hassles airport of Long Beach.

I was in New York for 8 days, and I saw the following:

Tall Grass
Maidstone
Shinnecock (A peak)
Friars Head
The National Golf Links of America
Easthampton (A peak)
Piping Rock (A peak after a rain out)
The Creek (Same as above)
Garden City Golf Club
Yale
Fenway
Winged Foot East & West (A very plesant surprize ,Thank You!)

I tried to get over to Kelly's Laurel Links, but unfortunately had a rainout that day and got a late start. I actually was on my way there with little day-light left, when I decided I wasn't going to make it, so I pulld into the parking lot of Long Island National to at least see that. What I saw was a bunch of ugly man-made shaping, I said to myself, "What the Hell am I doing here???) so I quickly left and headed to the Elbow Room for a marinated NY Steak and a Beer. Just like Scotland, there just isn't enough time to go see everything!

I'm still aghast at trying to place all of this golf architecture that I saw. But I can say that it was without doubt the most eye-awakening trip. I could live out there on that end of the island. It wouldn't be hard at all. In fact, I wish my host at Friars Head would have just dug a hole and buried me right there. Then he had the honor of seeing me soil my pants when I saw Shinnecock and then NGLA for the first time.

Can golf get any better anywhere on the planet then on Eastern Long Island? I think the answer is that we all have our own private places, and this confirmed Fife-head has unfortunately found a new home on the East End of this very and pastural setting. I thought I left my heart in St. Andrews back in 1996. Somehow, it picked itself up and found its way to a locale just North of Riverhead, which is perfectly located for me.

And then it hit me.

Long Island is a bit of everything I have adored in my life. The farm like setting of summers spent in Oregon during my youth; The beaches, like where I live now; The surprizing demeanor of the people, which I have to tell you is like some of the nicest people I have met; and finally, the Golf--which is never-ending in its pursuits of golf architecture. I had made a full circle back to Scotland and the Kingdom of Fife, because in reality it is all of the same. WE are all in the same.

For those of you that have never played the Game there, I can only suggest to strive to make it there. It will change or life. And just like the reality of coming home, and sleeping in your own bed makes you hope and wonder if Heaven is a place where you can be anywhere you want, then I'm indeed in Heaven.

Tim_Weiman

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Re:Reflections From The New York School
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2003, 11:47:45 AM »
Tommy:

I felt fortunate just to see you enjoy yourself so much and I'll bet others felt that way as well.

Having grown up in New York and lived for several years in LA, I feel I can testify to how different they are when it comes to golf and golf architecture. What I so much enjoyed about living in LA was being able to play year round and maintain something resembling a golf game (being single didn't hurt either!).

But, the truth is that LA is somewhat of a wasteland when it comes to golf - golf architecture that is. Yes, I checked out all the usual suspects from San Diego to Palm Springs and on up through Santa Barbara to Monterey and San Francisco. And, it is true there are some special places, of course.

But, in the US, the Northeast, including Phillie, New York and the Island are pretty tough to beat and I really hope you get to return to the Northeast before too long.
Tim Weiman

Scott_Burroughs

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Re:Reflections From The New York School
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2003, 11:55:40 AM »
Tommy,

That's certainly a good Who's Who of NY metro area golf (excluding NJ).  Were there any thoughts of seeing (or peeking at) Bethpage (Black)?

Tommy_Naccarato

Re:Reflections From The New York School
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2003, 12:07:28 PM »
Scott, we were so close to going over there about two or three times, especially with the rainey day on Saturday. I'm going to save that one for a return trip, and when I'm in better physical shape and I can both walk a full 18 and carry my bag with pride!:)

Jamie_Duffner

Re:Reflections From The New York School
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2003, 12:14:51 PM »
Tommy - Your post almost brought a tear to the eye of this displaced Long Islander!  You sum up well how a lot of us feel about the island, particularly the east end.  I grew up going out there a lot during the summers and the memories are special.  The North Fork in particular is beautiful farm land and often over looked by the Hampton-esque sout fork.

I wish you could have swung by BB and see all those ugly Rees, de-tillie-ized bunkers!!!   ;D

Actually, I am sure you would have loved the strategy and scope of the place and the guys on the 1st tee looking a little scruffier than the clientele at Shinnecock, Maidstone, NGLA, et al.
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Scott_Burroughs

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Re:Reflections From The New York School
« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2003, 12:18:24 PM »
when I'm in better physical shape

How is that going, BTW?  I hope well.

Tim_Weiman

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Re:Reflections From The New York School
« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2003, 01:06:25 PM »
One of my favorite memories of Tommy's trip came during the approach to #16 at Garden City. There happened to be a member of the grounds crew sitting on a mower and Tommy instructed him to take the mower and cut down all the rough to expose the mounding on the left.

"Right away" the grounds keeper said, "I'll do it tomorrow".

"Why tomorrow?", Tommy replied, "I'll be in LA tomorrow".

Tim Weiman

Daniel_Wexler

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Re:Reflections From The New York School
« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2003, 01:47:46 PM »
Tommy:

You know I can't resist asking:

Did you like Winged Foot East better than the West???

DW

grandwazo

Re:Reflections From The New York School
« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2003, 05:41:50 PM »
Tommy, thanks for helping this jaded new yorker realize how lucky he is to live in the middle of the golf landscape you describe.  I'm fortunate enough to play some of the courses you mentioned on a relatively frequent basis, either through friends or outings, and we tend to take for granted what we have.  In the last year I've played the Creek, Piping Rock, Garden City Men's, Maidstone, Meadowbrook, Engineers, Rockaway Hunt, Glen Oaks, Old Westbury, Deepdale, Fresh Meadows...and that's just the courses on LI, not mentioning NJ or Westchester.  I bought a foursome at NGLA at an outing last summer and I'm saving it for September this year, I can hardly wait.

Tommy_Naccarato

Re:Reflections From The New York School
« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2003, 08:36:50 PM »
Scott, I sort of got derailed of of the wagon while back there. I was in search of the perfect piece of New York Cheesecake.:)

I'm back on it pretty strict though. Dr. Childs ripped into me, as did Dr. Redanman. They along with Yancey Beamer are my medical team.

Daniel, That is going to be a really tough one, but I have to say so far, the West Course is just as strong as the East, maybe stronger. I don't know! Dammit, Tere is so much architecture, and we were skipping over from East to West so much, but if I'm wrong, I'm not wrong by much.

I do think it is safe to say that Winged Foot posses the most defensive set of one-shot holes I have ever seen.

Tillie was a genius But then I think of Friars Head #10, and it throws my whole value system off. Talk about a hole that literally has Nature out there wanting to swallow you whole!

Jamie and Grand Wazo,
The problem with New York is one gets just a bit too spoiled!

Shane Gurnett

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Re:Reflections From The New York School
« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2003, 07:03:39 AM »
Tommy,

Now that you been bitten by the travel bug, when can we expect you to lob your butt onto a Qantas flight and get your ass down to Melbourne, Australia?

Sure New York is good stuff, but until you've seen the sandbelt and beyond, your education just wont be complete. You know we'll look after you if you make the effort, just ask Matty Cohn  :) .

Tommy_Naccarato

Re:Reflections From The New York School
« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2003, 10:15:11 AM »
Shane,
That trip will be made one day. You can count on it.

Tom_Doak

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Re:Reflections From The New York School
« Reply #12 on: June 28, 2003, 01:55:08 PM »
Tommy:

Now you know how I started off so spoiled.  I saw all of those (that existed at the time) for the first time when I was 18 or 19, and I'm lucky enough that I still get to go back every once in a while.

Save your trip to Australia for a while; we'll have a couple more courses for you to see a year from now.  Urbina and I are going to do the trifecta in two weeks -- Cape Kidnappers with at least nine holes in play, Barnbougle with nine holes in rough shaping, and St. Andrews Beach mowed out to start construction in November.  Hopefully we'll also have time for Jim to see a couple of other courses in Melbourne!

Tommy_Naccarato

Re:Reflections From The New York School
« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2003, 02:04:56 PM »
Tom, I have about 100 questions for you off-line! Just some unbelievable stuff out there.

George_Bahto

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Re:Reflections From The New York School
« Reply #14 on: June 28, 2003, 07:30:38 PM »
Tommy - now you see why "we" from the east couldn't care spit about going to the left course too often !!  - hah - sorry I misse dyou fellas at Yale - it was a busy two weeks for me.

(this guy Tommy wanted me to come out to LA to see the Duckies lose the Stanley Cup to "us" - he and Shack seem to have become "'ockey" fans this year - interesting)
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bstark

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Re:Reflections From The New York School
« Reply #15 on: June 29, 2003, 08:40:09 AM »
  As a true blue East Ender I find your outsider's view of our "kingdom" refreshing. Even my wife (a Nassau County refugee), who finds my golf related tales boring, apprectiated your missive.
  We are lucky here, out east, to have wonderful history combined with great architecture. You also need a few "hooks" to get on some of these great courses. You have reminded me of why I returned after some time away in the real world. It is a special place to play golf and raise a family.

Mike Hendren

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Re:Reflections From The New York School
« Reply #16 on: June 29, 2003, 01:50:04 PM »
Brian S,

Good to see you post.  I encourage you and some of your fellow club members to weigh in more often.  Please keep me posted as to how Gene's mother is doing.

I would have preferred to IM, but haven't figured out the new features yet.  Any help out there?  Anybody?

On the information dirt road again,

Mike
Two Corinthians walk into a bar ....

Norbert P

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Re:Reflections From The New York School
« Reply #17 on: June 29, 2003, 03:23:11 PM »
  Tommy,  terrific upbeat post.  Perfect for what I've been going through lately.   As I've been blessed with great travels the last few years, with golden grounds of golf discovered and fellows well met,  my near-future goals of exploration have been curtailed by the tribulations of life.  You've illuminated me with one important thing, and that is to be patient.  Glad you had a great time.  

"If you're happy, I'm happy"   Robert DeNiro in Deerhunter

  I stole a line from your post for my tag line. Royalty check is "in the mail".
"Golf is only meant to be a small part of one’s life, centering around health, relaxation and having fun with friends/family." R"C"M

John Foley

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Re:Reflections From The New York School
« Reply #18 on: June 29, 2003, 10:21:08 PM »
Tommy,

I can't believe you came all the way to LI and didn't see Bridge or Atlantic!! :)

Glad to see your spirits back.

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