[Michael George]

The problem with 17 at Sawgrass isn't 17 at Sawgrass. It's every shoddy copy hole that's been thrown together over the last twenty years.

I think this is probably right. I haven't seen it in the flesh but think it looks like a fantastic hole from the TV. It is severe but it's not a long hole - it demands that you execute but also the green is really interesting and can play so differently depending on the wind. Tiger in his press conference yesterday recalled hitting a punch 5 iron when it was really cold in the amateur one year. He said he was extremely nervous standing over that shot but luckily pulled it off. He really lit up talking about that shot. I think the notion of "giving options"  and "bail outs"on a hole of this length is GCA groupthink. Sorry Michael!

Brian - no problem.  I have no clue if my changes would work or not - just your average joe here.  While I don't care if there are  a lot of options, I do like giving the bad golfer an option to play scared.  Just think it is a hokey hole on a great golf course.
   

[Steve_Lovett]

Technical question:
How much does the level of the lake rise and fall?  I assume that it rises and falls according to rainfall drainage.  Does the lake itself drain to other lakes?

This question has a lot to do with a potential "remodeling".

I am very much of two minds about the hole ...
1. As a gauntlet-stage set for the top golfers in the world, it is magnificent!
2. For everyone else .... it is a way to lose balls and keep the golf ball industry thriving.

I don't think it changes that much. Northeast Florida is very much in a drought condition and lakes are generally very, very low - but seeing this lake in person today it didn't look any lower than usual. Also, it's part of a very, very large interconnected stormwater management system and that may control the minimum lake elevation.

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