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Adam Clayman

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Re: Tiger Woods course design in Mexico
« Reply #50 on: October 09, 2008, 11:12:18 AM »
Anthony, I think we are learning that you could've ended your sentence before the word that.
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TX Golf

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Re: Tiger Woods course design in Mexico
« Reply #51 on: October 09, 2008, 11:33:45 AM »
Adam,

Pretty rough considering the fact that he probably has some other things on his plate as well.... like being the greatest golfer of all time... practicing eight hours a day...... raising a family.... lets see what happens when he golfing career slows down and he has a little more  time. It is also only his third design. At least he recognizes that he isn't an expert yet and is trying to learn from those who do know what they are doing. Smart people surround themselves with smart people.

Ally Mcintosh

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Re: Tiger Woods course design in Mexico
« Reply #52 on: October 09, 2008, 11:41:01 AM »
At least he recognizes that he isn't an expert yet and is trying to learn from those who do know what they are doing. Smart people surround themselves with smart people.

Does he really recognise this? Or is he just sub-contracting out what he sees as the "less glamorous" work and deluding himself that he is making the key big decisions?

Surely there are two types of signature designers... Those that start their own design firm and to a greater or lesser degree learn the business with guys who are direct hires and already know the business... Or there are the ones who use other design firms... 

TX Golf

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Re: Tiger Woods course design in Mexico
« Reply #53 on: October 09, 2008, 11:48:24 AM »
The way I see it.... the first reason to start any form of business is to make money. He stock right now is about as high as it is ever going to get, and he is taking advantage of it. I guess we will just have to wait and see as to whether or not he ever gets into the "dirty" details of the design business. As I am sure any of the architects on this website would attest, they wouldn't have the time to play the PGA Tour (especially at his level), meet all of his corporate commitments, and hand craft golf courses to a level of quality that he wants to be associated with. I'm sure if he thought he could come up with the perfect routing by looking at a topo map for a day or two he would do it himself, but it seems that he is aware of the fact that he is new and inexperienced.

Ally Mcintosh

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Re: Tiger Woods course design in Mexico
« Reply #54 on: October 09, 2008, 11:53:32 AM »
The way I see it.... the first reason to start any form of business is to make money. He stock right now is about as high as it is ever going to get, and he is taking advantage of it. I guess we will just have to wait and see as to whether or not he ever gets into the "dirty" details of the design business. As I am sure any of the architects on this website would attest, they wouldn't have the time to play the PGA Tour (especially at his level), meet all of his corporate commitments, and hand craft golf courses to a level of quality that he wants to be associated with. I'm sure if he thought he could come up with the perfect routing by looking at a topo map for a day or two he would do it himself, but it seems that he is aware of the fact that he is new and inexperienced.

In other words he isn't designing the golf course...

Which is fair enough... I never expected him to... And I don't begrudge him the fact that he is being employed to pretend that he is....

Chip Gaskins

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Re: Tiger Woods course design in Mexico
« Reply #55 on: October 09, 2008, 12:05:40 PM »
Ally-

Exactly, if Robert's words are true then he isn't the designer or architect....he has licensed the Tiger Woods brand to the real estate development for marketing and promotional purposes.

Matt_Cohn

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Re: Tiger Woods course design in Mexico
« Reply #56 on: October 09, 2008, 12:38:53 PM »
I can't recall seeing another coastal routing where the golfer leaves and returns to the ocean 5 separate times. At Pebble it's twice; Cypress, once, Pac Dunes twice I think.

George Pazin

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Re: Tiger Woods course design in Mexico
« Reply #57 on: October 09, 2008, 01:31:54 PM »
I wonder if oceanfront housing lots influenced the number of oceanside par 3s.
Big drivers and hot balls are the product of golf course design that rewards the hit one far then hit one high strategy.  Shinny showed everyone how to take care of this whole technology dilemma. - Pat Brockwell, 6/24/04

Greg Tallman

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Re: Tiger Woods course design in Mexico
« Reply #58 on: October 09, 2008, 02:55:34 PM »
$3 million for an acre on the ocean.... that is down right cheap!

Kyle Henderson

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Re: Tiger Woods course design in Mexico
« Reply #59 on: October 09, 2008, 08:04:33 PM »
On his website, Geoff Shackelford (who attended the Punta Brava press conference) refences an instance in which Tiger hinted that he used his clout to make the seaside property available for the golf course rather than housing. That certainly indicates that he has some sensibility about how a great course is created, even if he lacks hands-on experience.

I wonder how many potentially great courses were lost to developers with different priorities and how different the game of golf might be if talented course architects had more influence in the land planning stage.
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Howard Riefs

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Re: Tiger Woods course design in Mexico
« Reply #60 on: May 09, 2012, 07:11:32 PM »
"Golf combines two favorite American pastimes: Taking long walks and hitting things with a stick."  ~P.J. O'Rourke

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