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Dan Byrnes

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Re: Golden Age Upstate golf advice Ithaca-Binghampton
« Reply #25 on: May 03, 2012, 10:59:23 AM »
Looks like Powelton went through some significant changes in the 60's so might not be to much Emmet still there but worthy of a trip

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David_Tepper

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Re: Golden Age Upstate golf advice Ithaca-Binghampton
« Reply #26 on: May 03, 2012, 12:05:50 PM »
"Also Leatherstocking isn't far".

Jay -

Cooperstown may not be that far from Ithaca as the crow flies, but driving from one town to the other is not easy. I have made that trip twice. There is no direct route between the two. 

DT

Ed Homsey

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Re: Golden Age Upstate golf advice Ithaca-Binghampton
« Reply #27 on: May 03, 2012, 03:55:18 PM »
Though Mark Twain is interesting, I would suggest consideration of Elmira CC which is not far away.  Two distinct nines.  The opening nine is a Willie Dunn creation (a bit before the Golden Age) that is hilly and heavily wooded.  The 1922 Tilly nine is down in the flats and out in the open.  Interesting green sites on both sides.  Would definitely choose Elmira over Corning.




JNC Lyon

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Re: Golden Age Upstate golf advice Ithaca-Binghampton
« Reply #28 on: May 03, 2012, 11:29:52 PM »
Though Mark Twain is interesting, I would suggest consideration of Elmira CC which is not far away.  Two distinct nines.  The opening nine is a Willie Dunn creation (a bit before the Golden Age) that is hilly and heavily wooded.  The 1922 Tilly nine is down in the flats and out in the open.  Interesting green sites on both sides.  Would definitely choose Elmira over Corning.





I strongly disagree here Ed, and I think you've got the history wrong on Elmira. 

What is now the front nine contains five holes (3-7) that were built in the late 1960s.  They range from mediocre to downright horrendous.  3 is passable, but 4's green is unputtable, 5 is extremely awkward, 6 has a fairway that is too steep to hold, and 7 has a pond manufactured into a mountainside.  Originally, the first six holes played up the mountain, with 3 and 4 being back-to-back par threes over gullies.  Then, the current 10-18 played as 7-15, with a few alterations.  16 was a short par three to a tiny green (still visible today).  17 was a short par five playing downhill over the current parking lot and tennis courts.  18 was a par three back up the hill to the clubhouse.  By all accounts (my great-grandfather and aunt were members there, and my dad played there many times as a kid), the original holes were a great deal of fun, and the current holes on the front nine are a poor substitute.  My great-grandfather referred to the new 5th hole (the long par five up the hill" as the "A-Hole."  What remains of the original course seems to be the least exciting of the original holes.  To me, only 8 and 9 stand out as anywhere above average.

At the very least, holes 3-7 were added anew in the late 1960s (to ruin the golf course, apparently).  In addition, greens were moved on holes 15 and 18.  At most, Elmira C.C. has 11 original holes, and the new holes are all but unplayable.  Maybe worth a look once as a painful reminder of how wrong a renovation of a classic course can go, but definitely not worth the trouble as a one-shot deal in the region.

For my money, Mark Twain is the fair superior golf course.  The original routing and tremendous set of greens remain.  You get two excellent par fives on the front nine at 3 and 5.  All 4 par threes play uphill, and each one is very engaging.  The course has some muscle, but it won't beat you up too badly because it lacks any overly penal hazards.  Moreover, Mark Twain was built in 1937, late in Ross's career when golf course construction was scarce.  Very interesting historically from my view.  Did I mention it is dirt cheap to play?

Elmira C.C. and Mark Twain offer an interesting contrast.  Elmira shows what can happen when an overzealous and undereducated membership loses respect for the history of its golf course.  Mark Twain shows what can happen when nothing changes at a public course at all.

My recommendation: STRONGLY IN FAVOR of Mark Twain, and STRONGLY AGAINST Elmira C.C.  If M.T. is unavailable that day, slip over and play Soaring Eagles.  It has some fun, quirky holes, and it's also the home course of two PGA Tour pros (Joey Sindelar and Mike Hulbert).  There is definitely good golf in the southern tier, but you won't find it at Elmira C.C.
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Dan Herrmann

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Re: Golden Age Upstate golf advice Ithaca-Binghampton
« Reply #29 on: May 04, 2012, 07:14:09 AM »
Teugaga is very closed to outside play as far as I know.  Maybe it's my German name, but they weren't friendly and sort of told me to go away.

Sean Remington (SBR)

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Re: Golden Age Upstate golf advice Ithaca-Binghampton
« Reply #30 on: May 04, 2012, 08:05:42 AM »
Going North up the East side of the lake you will run into Kings Ferry.  Not the era your hoping for but could be a fun stop and looks senic for sure.

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jeffwarne

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Re: Golden Age Upstate golf advice Ithaca-Binghampton
« Reply #31 on: May 04, 2012, 08:49:14 AM »
Thanks for all the great advice and offers.


Mark Twain makes the most logistical sense as I've got 24 hours total and that would involve the least driving day 2 (about 13 hours total)
All the other recomendations will hopefully be useful in later trips.
Anybody in the area next Thursday morning wanting to play let me know. (gotta leave MT by 1:15-1:30)

The only advice I can offer in the area(2-3 hours northeast in the Adironacks) is I did play Thendara last year on the way from Ithaca to Middlebury via Hamilton (boyfriend ::))
front nine was pretty good and interesting greens, back nine had some very tight holes-definitely two different nines.
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Ronald Montesano

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Re: Golden Age Upstate golf advice Ithaca-Binghampton
« Reply #32 on: May 04, 2012, 09:44:37 PM »
Jeff,

Unwittingly, you'd just played your first William Harries design! He is our love to hate him guy from WNY.
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jeffwarne

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Re: Golden Age Upstate golf advice Ithaca-Binghampton
« Reply #33 on: May 04, 2012, 09:49:33 PM »
Jeff,

Unwittingly, you'd just played your first William Harries design! He is our love to hate him guy from WNY.

I thought the 11th green was cool (even though I lost an 8 iron shot hit a yard left of the green)
a couple other cool shots but too tight for me
"Let's slow the damned greens down a bit, not take the character out of them." Tom Doak
"Take their focus off the grass and put it squarely on interesting golf." Don Mahaffey

Ed Homsey

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Re: Golden Age Upstate golf advice Ithaca-Binghampton
« Reply #34 on: May 05, 2012, 07:08:36 PM »
Re:  Elmira cc.   I apologize for not being up-to=day on Elmira.  Had not played there since 2001.  Apparently they've reversed the nines, and JNC Lyons describes changes that I was not aware of.  I take back my recommendation re Elmira. 

Jay Flemma

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Re: Golden Age Upstate golf advice Ithaca-Binghampton
« Reply #35 on: May 05, 2012, 07:12:33 PM »
David, you're right, it's a winding road to get to Cooperstown, but it's a superb golf course.  He'd never forget the day.  Although conditions tend to improve dramatically as the summer progresses.
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