[V. Kmetz]

Hello All,

Just returning to that old stalwart of GCA interest: Quirk.

I'm going to list a handful of factors initially, but if you can think of others, add it to the list.  I don't know how long the list will go, but I'll trust your own sense of the redundant point.  No need to dispute someone's "factor(s)" or elements, unless you just can't bear the thing being called "quirk"

1.  Double Green(s)
2.  Island Green (water or bunker)
3.  Island Tee
4.  Bunker inside Green area
5.  Particularly Apt/Ironic/Historic Hole Names
6.  Outrageous Visual Bunker Complex (that doesn't necessarily factor in any strategy - I'm thinking Eleanor's Teeth at #4 Apawamis)
7.  A Blind Par 3
8.  Any Hole whose yardage is 265 - 299
9.  Any Hole whose yardage is under 109
10. A rotating sign, cow bell, or metal gong that must be rung to alert players that you are somewhere.
11. Monuments, plaques, obelisks, stone bridges, gazebos, public roadways and walls that are both visible and in play.

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cheers

vk

[Melvyn Morrow]

What is a quirk to some in natural common place for others. I do not believe that TOC or for that matter North Berwick can be defined in any way as quirk or quirky  These courses are from the beginning of the modern game dating back the best part of 150years, so how can they be called quirky?

They are part of golf Holes, nothing more nothing less. Quirk indeed.

Melvyn

[Ben Stephens]

V. Kmetz

You must go to Painswick! It is the epitome of Quirk!

Forget island greens which are more conventional these days - try hitting a 100 yard blind shot 70 ft up into a punchbowl!

Cheers
Ben

[Ally Mcintosh]

A few more...

Hello All,

Just returning to that old stalwart of GCA interest: Quirk.

I'm going to list a handful of factors initially, but if you can think of others, add it to the list.  I don't know how long the list will go, but I'll trust your own sense of the redundant point.  No need to dispute someone's "factor(s)" or elements, unless you just can't bear the thing being called "quirk"

1.  Double Green(s)
2.  Island Green (water or bunker)
3.  Island Tee
4.  Bunker inside Green area
5.  Particularly Apt/Ironic/Historic Hole Names
6.  Outrageous Visual Bunker Complex (that doesn't necessarily factor in any strategy - I'm thinking Eleanor's Teeth at #4 Apawamis)
7.  A Blind Par 3
8.  Any Hole whose yardage is 265 - 299
9.  Any Hole whose yardage is under 109
10. A rotating sign, cow bell, or metal gong that must be rung to alert players that you are somewhere.
11. Monuments, plaques, obelisks, stone bridges, gazebos, public roadways and walls that are both visible and in play.
12. Ninety degree plus doglegs.
13. Individual trees in the middle of the fairway.
14. Crossing holes.
15. Blind bunkers on the line of charm.
16. Holes that share a teeing ground.
17. Carries over OOB
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cheers

vk

[Niall C]

Perhaps before we start listing examples of quirk, we should maybe consider the definition of quirk as far as golf goes. As Melvyn points out, what might be considered quirk in the US might not be considered quirk in the UK and vice versa. That said, I'm not sure how I would define it but blind shots including par 3's are fairly standard design on older courses. Likewise some of the hole lengths described albeit additional teeing grounds have probably taken out the "offending" dstance for some.

Niall

[Ally Mcintosh]

The way I see it, we're just having fun... A few more...

Hello All,

Just returning to that old stalwart of GCA interest: Quirk.

I'm going to list a handful of factors initially, but if you can think of others, add it to the list.  I don't know how long the list will go, but I'll trust your own sense of the redundant point.  No need to dispute someone's "factor(s)" or elements, unless you just can't bear the thing being called "quirk"

1.  Double Green(s)
2.  Island Green (water or bunker)
3.  Island Tee
4.  Bunker inside Green area
5.  Particularly Apt/Ironic/Historic Hole Names
6.  Outrageous Visual Bunker Complex (that doesn't necessarily factor in any strategy - I'm thinking Eleanor's Teeth at #4 Apawamis)
7.  A Blind Par 3
8.  Any Hole whose yardage is 265 - 299
9.  Any Hole whose yardage is under 109
10. A rotating sign, cow bell, or metal gong that must be rung to alert players that you are somewhere.
11. Monuments, plaques, obelisks, stone bridges, gazebos, public roadways and walls that are both visible and in play.
12. Ninety degree plus doglegs.
13. Individual trees in the middle of the fairway.
14. Crossing holes.
15. Blind bunkers on the line of charm.
16. Holes that share a teeing ground.
17. Carries over OOB
18. Back to back Par-3's
19. Greens under 200 m2
20. Greens with fences ringing them to keep the sheep out
21. Six or more par-3's
22. Actual pubs that provide halfway hut refreshments (e.g. Musselburgh, Nefyn)
23. Courses that can only be reached by land at low tide
24. Periscopes, Telescopes or Viewing Towers

?


cheers

vk

[Ben Stephens]

The way I see it, we're just having fun... A few more...

Hello All,

Just returning to that old stalwart of GCA interest: Quirk.

I'm going to list a handful of factors initially, but if you can think of others, add it to the list.  I don't know how long the list will go, but I'll trust your own sense of the redundant point.  No need to dispute someone's "factor(s)" or elements, unless you just can't bear the thing being called "quirk"

1.  Double Green(s)
2.  Island Green (water or bunker)
3.  Island Tee
4.  Bunker inside Green area
5.  Particularly Apt/Ironic/Historic Hole Names
6.  Outrageous Visual Bunker Complex (that doesn't necessarily factor in any strategy - I'm thinking Eleanor's Teeth at #4 Apawamis)
7.  A Blind Par 3
8.  Any Hole whose yardage is 265 - 299
9.  Any Hole whose yardage is under 109
10. A rotating sign, cow bell, or metal gong that must be rung to alert players that you are somewhere.
11. Monuments, plaques, obelisks, stone bridges, gazebos, public roadways and walls that are both visible and in play.
12. Ninety degree plus doglegs.
13. Individual trees in the middle of the fairway.
14. Crossing holes.
15. Blind bunkers on the line of charm.
16. Holes that share a teeing ground.
17. Carries over OOB
18. Back to back Par-3's
19. Greens under 200 m2
20. Greens with fences ringing them to keep the sheep out
21. Six or more par-3's
22. Actual pubs that provide halfway hut refreshments (e.g. Musselburgh, Nefyn)
23. Courses that can only be reached by land at low tide
24. Periscopes, Telescopes or Viewing Towers
25. Windmills/Wind turbines
26. Mirrors - Lindrick had one on the 5th see to see if the fairway was clear!
27. Traffic Lights - Hunstanton has 2!

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cheers

vk

[David Harshbarger]

Courses that can only be reached by land at low tide

Where is this?  Is it the home of the 12 hour round?

[Mark Pearce]

David,

I think that's a reference to Royal West Norfolk.  The home of the 2 hour round.

[Mike Nuzzo]

I would not want to quantify quirk
A double green can be beautiful, natural and fit perfectly into the ground and for play - like at The Old Course
Or it can be downright awful - like the double greens with the little stripe of grass that attaches them like spectacles
Cheers

[Brad Wilbur]

Punta Mita hole #3B has an island green, with the green out in the Pacific Ocean!  Unfortunately, on the day I played, it was high tide and I never got a chance to make a putt.  Quirky and spectacular.

[Bill_McBride]

I don't care how you define "quirk" or what Melvyn says, the wall at #13 "Pit" at North Berwick is wonderful quirk!

How about dangerous quirk?  Thinking of Liphook's road crossing here!

[Kyle Harris]

If you can quantify it, it's not quirk.

[Peter Pallotta]

If you can quantify it, it's not quirk.

+1

What could be worse (or indeed, more mutually exclusive) than conscious quirk?  That kind of quirk might as well be called "self-conscious quirk" -- and then it is either bad (self conscious, and not particularly quirky) or really bad (self conscious, not particularly quirky, and ugly). It'd be like Julia Roberts or George Clooney when they cast themselves against type and play plain people with humdrum hair and boring lives and ill-fitting clothes; whatever charm that choice might have for them, it really has none for the audience.

[Howard Riefs]

Instead of quantifying, I'd rather see an attempt at defining "quirk." 

Otherwise, this exercise is akin to Justice Stewart's famed "I know it when I see it" standard in defining obscenity.

[Alex Miller]

Instead of quantifying, I'd rather see an attempt at defining "quirk." 

Otherwise, this exercise is akin to Justice Stewart's famed "I know it when I see it" standard in defining obscenity.

I made a thread with that exact purpose last year, but I haven't been able to find it! It may have been deleted...

[Howard Riefs]

Instead of quantifying, I'd rather see an attempt at defining "quirk."  

Otherwise, this exercise is akin to Justice Stewart's famed "I know it when I see it" standard in defining obscenity.

I made a thread with that exact purpose last year, but I haven't been able to find it! It may have been deleted...

A very good thread.  

http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,48100.0.html

[Ally Mcintosh]

So "quantify" might be the wrong word but can you not just go with it and throw a whole lot of unusual golf course features on to a list for a bit of fun?...

It may be bad quirk, good quirk or bad in one situation and good in another. Who cares about its definition... I'm ignoring the naysayers...

1.  Double Green(s)
2.  Island Green (water or bunker)
3.  Island Tee
4.  Bunker inside Green area
5.  Particularly Apt/Ironic/Historic Hole Names
6.  Outrageous Visual Bunker Complex (that doesn't necessarily factor in any strategy - I'm thinking Eleanor's Teeth at #4 Apawamis)
7.  A Blind Par 3
8.  Any Hole whose yardage is 265 - 299
9.  Any Hole whose yardage is under 109
10. A rotating sign, cow bell, or metal gong that must be rung to alert players that you are somewhere.
11. Monuments, plaques, obelisks, stone bridges, gazebos, public roadways and walls that are both visible and in play.
12. Ninety degree plus doglegs.
13. Individual trees in the middle of the fairway.
14. Crossing holes.
15. Blind bunkers on the line of charm.
16. Holes that share a teeing ground.
17. Carries over OOB
18. Back to back Par-3's
19. Greens under 200 m2
20. Greens with fences ringing them to keep the sheep out
21. Six or more par-3's
22. Actual pubs that provide halfway hut refreshments (e.g. Musselburgh, Nefyn)
23. Courses that can only be reached by land at low tide
24. Periscopes, Telescopes or Viewing Towers
25. Windmills/Wind turbines
26. Mirrors - Lindrick had one on the 5th see to see if the fairway was clear!
27. Traffic Lights - Hunstanton has 2!
28. Covered pedestrian access ways to the beach crossing fairways
29. Ha-Has
30. Honesty Boxes for accepting green fees

 

[V. Kmetz]

Hi AM,

You got the right idea; I just wanted to know and shed light on what we know or experience as unusual, goofy, arcane, out of place, different than we're used to...that kinda stuff.

Great list for all those who put something down after my initial post

If anybody else has a few, put em down; I wonder if there will end up being more than 50

cheers

vk

[astavrides]

So "quantify" might be the wrong word but can you not just go with it and throw a whole lot of unusual golf course features on to a list for a bit of fun?...

It may be bad quirk, good quirk or bad in one situation and good in another. Who cares about its definition... I'm ignoring the naysayers...

1.  Double Green(s)
2.  Island Green (water or bunker)
3.  Island Tee
4.  Bunker inside Green area
5.  Particularly Apt/Ironic/Historic Hole Names
6.  Outrageous Visual Bunker Complex (that doesn't necessarily factor in any strategy - I'm thinking Eleanor's Teeth at #4 Apawamis)
7.  A Blind Par 3
8.  Any Hole whose yardage is 265 - 299
9.  Any Hole whose yardage is under 109
10. A rotating sign, cow bell, or metal gong that must be rung to alert players that you are somewhere.
11. Monuments, plaques, obelisks, stone bridges, gazebos, public roadways and walls that are both visible and in play.
12. Ninety degree plus doglegs.
13. Individual trees in the middle of the fairway.
14. Crossing holes.
15. Blind bunkers on the line of charm.
16. Holes that share a teeing ground.
17. Carries over OOB
18. Back to back Par-3's
19. Greens under 200 m2
20. Greens with fences ringing them to keep the sheep out
21. Six or more par-3's
22. Actual pubs that provide halfway hut refreshments (e.g. Musselburgh, Nefyn)
23. Courses that can only be reached by land at low tide
24. Periscopes, Telescopes or Viewing Towers
25. Windmills/Wind turbines
26. Mirrors - Lindrick had one on the 5th see to see if the fairway was clear!
27. Traffic Lights - Hunstanton has 2!
28. Covered pedestrian access ways to the beach crossing fairways
29. Ha-Has
30. Honesty Boxes for accepting green fees
31. Courses that allow you to bring your dog out on the course with you.

 

[Howard Riefs]

So "quantify" might be the wrong word but can you not just go with it and throw a whole lot of unusual golf course features on to a list for a bit of fun?...

It may be bad quirk, good quirk or bad in one situation and good in another. Who cares about its definition... I'm ignoring the naysayers...

1.  Double Green(s)
2.  Island Green (water or bunker)
3.  Island Tee
4.  Bunker inside Green area
5.  Particularly Apt/Ironic/Historic Hole Names
6.  Outrageous Visual Bunker Complex (that doesn't necessarily factor in any strategy - I'm thinking Eleanor's Teeth at #4 Apawamis)
7.  A Blind Par 3
8.  Any Hole whose yardage is 265 - 299
9.  Any Hole whose yardage is under 109
10. A rotating sign, cow bell, or metal gong that must be rung to alert players that you are somewhere.
11. Monuments, plaques, obelisks, stone bridges, gazebos, public roadways and walls that are both visible and in play.
12. Ninety degree plus doglegs.
13. Individual trees in the middle of the fairway.
14. Crossing holes.
15. Blind bunkers on the line of charm.
16. Holes that share a teeing ground.
17. Carries over OOB
18. Back to back Par-3's
19. Greens under 200 m2
20. Greens with fences ringing them to keep the sheep out
21. Six or more par-3's
22. Actual pubs that provide halfway hut refreshments (e.g. Musselburgh, Nefyn)
23. Courses that can only be reached by land at low tide
24. Periscopes, Telescopes or Viewing Towers
25. Windmills/Wind turbines
26. Mirrors - Lindrick had one on the 5th see to see if the fairway was clear!
27. Traffic Lights - Hunstanton has 2!
28. Covered pedestrian access ways to the beach crossing fairways
29. Ha-Has
30. Honesty Boxes for accepting green fees
31. Courses that allow you to bring your dog out on the course with you.

32. ... or your rabbit. http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,18015.0.html

[David_Tepper]

Not to sure about #31. It is not uncommon to see dogs on courses in GB&I.

[astavrides]

Not to sure about #31. It is not uncommon to see dogs on courses in GB&I.

Aren't all courses in GB&I quirky (except for Belfry, k club, Gleneagles centenary, etc.)?

[V. Kmetz]

The sight of dogs (and rabbits) on a Golf course is always a happy (but infrequent in my sphere of experience) occasion.

Of course that is not without exception.

As a 14-16 year old playing Sunset Hills (the goaty anachronistic 9 holer I grew up on) dogs played something of a role in that an old mangy golden retriever (the proprietor's pet) was always loping about.  I never knew its true name (we called it "Shep") but his was a familar docile face that made the round at Sunset a bit more provincial, if not personal. 

To less genteel effect was a crazed killer - for whom we also did not have a name (we called it "Cujo," in deference to the popular King story/movie of the time)  -- who patrolled a hot spot for lost balls off the 1st fairway and 4th green.

Golf balls were precious then--we often delayed the round for twenty minutes needing to find one to continue play--and so many times, we had to brave the stone fence into Cujo's yard to retrieve a necessary peloto.  And just as many times, the beast would come out from a new ambush spot, teeth gnashing and the bark of a helldragon.  The sight of me and my friends dashing back over the wall, clubs rattling on our shoulder, and doing half body rolls upon landing is a piss the pants kind of a scene.  Sometime later in high school, we noticed that Cujo wasn't as omnispresent, just sporadic appearances and then, nothing.  It dawned on us he must have passed away and we were quite sad.  His fierce patrol of that crucial spot made Sunset more than its scuffy utility.

cheers

vk

[Patrick_Mucci]

None of the items represent architectural quirk to me.

"quirk" to me signifies the incorporation of unusual landforms into a hole that inturn produces an interesting golf hole

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