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David_Tepper

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Land Unfit For Purpose, "from toxic to intoxicating"
« on: April 20, 2012, 12:26:24 PM »
LINKS mag profiles 5 U.S. courses built on reclaimed land:

http://www.linksmagazine.com/golf_courses/bay-harbor-mi

Tom_Doak

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Re: Land Unfit For Purpose, "from toxic to intoxicating"
« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2012, 12:55:59 PM »
That is a great quote about Widow's Walk:  "What it lacks in length, it makes up for in narrowness."  And the picture didn't look too inviting, either.

Also, Bay Harbor has had some environmental problems in recent years, so it is perhaps not the best example for this theme.

Can't believe they didn't include Bayonne.

Richard Choi

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Re: Land Unfit For Purpose, "from toxic to intoxicating"
« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2012, 01:03:28 PM »
Personally, I think this really is the future for golf course development in urban areas. There is very little you can do with landfills and superfund sites and golf course is one of the very best way to rehabilitate those sites.

In addition to Chambers Bay, Washington state has several others in this category, including The Golf Club at Newcastle (landfill) and The Home Course (former military bombing range).

Jud_T

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Re: Land Unfit For Purpose, "from toxic to intoxicating"
« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2012, 01:12:14 PM »
and you can take a pile of sh*t and turn it into the 44th best course in the world!
Golf is a game. We play it. Somewhere along the way we took the fun out of it and charged a premium to be punished.- - Ron Sirak

Tom_Doak

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Re: Land Unfit For Purpose, "from toxic to intoxicating"
« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2012, 01:13:20 PM »
Personally, I think this really is the future for golf course development in urban areas. There is very little you can do with landfills and superfund sites and golf course is one of the very best way to rehabilitate those sites.

In addition to Chambers Bay, Washington state has several others in this category, including The Golf Club at Newcastle (landfill) and The Home Course (former military bombing range).

Richard:

Many of these projects have "complicated" financial stories.  Chambers Bay is a great course, but the bondholders and the county are not quite as happy with the results as they anticipated.  

Old Works is an EPA Superfund site -- so [I presume] all of us taxpaying citizens picked up the tab for that one, after the Anaconda Mining Company left us holding the bag.  We Americans also paid Bayonne GC to entomb the toxic sludge dredged up from the Hudson River, so that they could sell memberships to Wall Streeters, some of whom made their money selling us other kinds of toxic sludge.

I agree that building a golf course over the tops of these things is a wonderful way to fix an eyesore -- depending on how it's paid for.  But really, we would all be better off if these industrial-strength messes were never created in the first place.

Howard Riefs

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Re: Land Unfit For Purpose, "from toxic to intoxicating"
« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2012, 01:21:13 PM »
From landfill to faux links in Chicago:

-- Chicago Highlands GC
-- Harborside
"Golf combines two favorite American pastimes: Taking long walks and hitting things with a stick."  ~P.J. O'Rourke

David_Tepper

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Re: Land Unfit For Purpose, "from toxic to intoxicating"
« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2012, 01:33:00 PM »
Metropolitan GL, near the Oakland Airport, was built over sludge dredged from the shipping channels for the Port of Oakland.

astavrides

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Re: Land Unfit For Purpose, "from toxic to intoxicating"
« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2012, 01:52:54 PM »
Metropolitan GL, near the Oakland Airport, was built over sludge dredged from the shipping channels for the Port of Oakland.

Wasn't there another course where Met is now?  When was the sludge dredged?

John McCarthy

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Re: Land Unfit For Purpose, "from toxic to intoxicating"
« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2012, 01:55:40 PM »
From landfill to faux links in Chicago:

-- Chicago Highlands GC
-- Harborside

Also Settler's Hill and Willow Hill. 
The only way of really finding out a man's true character is to play golf with him. In no other walk of life does the cloven hoof so quickly display itself.
 PG Wodehouse

Jeff_Brauer

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Re: Land Unfit For Purpose, "from toxic to intoxicating"
« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2012, 01:57:28 PM »
Certainly, many of the courses named "The Quarry" including my own would probably qualifiy.

We had a chance to utilize a lot more land than we ended up using.  Some of the worst toxic areas (an old railroad loco fueling facilty) we actually left untouched.  The superfund regs are such that the new owner has almost unlimited liability for cleanup if he chooses to redevelop that land.  You might recall that two or three elections ago, this was a national political issue.  

The Repub candidates argued that with lesser superfund reggies, you might get 90% of the clean up of the sites with private redevelopment of such sites, which might be better than 0% toxic cleanup because of strict regulations that caused such sites to be avoided.  The  Dems favored keeping the regulations, fearing it would open the doors to shortchanging environmental issues in the redevelopment.  Interesting arguments that stray into the gray areas of environmental issues and costs.
Jeff Brauer, ASGCA Director of Outreach

Jud_T

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Re: Land Unfit For Purpose, "from toxic to intoxicating"
« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2012, 02:01:09 PM »
 :-X
Golf is a game. We play it. Somewhere along the way we took the fun out of it and charged a premium to be punished.- - Ron Sirak

David_Tepper

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Re: Land Unfit For Purpose, "from toxic to intoxicating"
« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2012, 02:22:54 PM »
"Wasn't there another course where Met is now?  When was the sludge dredged?"

Alex S. -

You are correct. There was a course there for many, many years. The name escapes me at the moment.

When it was determined that the shipping channels for the Port of Oakland needed to be dredged, they had to find a nearby place to dump all the sludge. That golf course was the most convenient spot. Best as I can recall, the dredging occurred in the late 1990's  

Once the sludge had a chance to settle, the Met GL was built on top of it and the course opened in the early 2000's. I think one of the reasons they have had problems growing turf on certain spots on the course is that the soil is of dubious quality.  

DT
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David_Tepper

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Re: Land Unfit For Purpose, "from toxic to intoxicating"
« Reply #12 on: April 20, 2012, 03:10:40 PM »
Alex -

The old course on the Metro site was the Lew Galbraith Course. Here is info regarding the dredging & dumping on the Galbraith Course in the late 1990's:

http://www.gba-inc.com/pages/projects/08_Galbraith_golf_course.html  

DT
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Garland Bayley

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Re: Land Unfit For Purpose, "from toxic to intoxicating"
« Reply #13 on: April 20, 2012, 03:20:02 PM »
... The Home Course (former military bombing range).

Richard,

I believe that should say DuPont dynamite and explosives manufacturing site.
Which of course explains why the tee markers are faux dynamite sticks.
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

astavrides

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« Reply #14 on: April 20, 2012, 08:12:46 PM »
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« Last Edit: August 27, 2012, 10:56:01 PM by astavrides »

Sean_A

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Re: Land Unfit For Purpose, "from toxic to intoxicating"
« Reply #15 on: April 20, 2012, 08:36:56 PM »
While it is far from a great course, Wyandotte Shores is a class example of how industrial waste sites can be revived.  The article doesn't mention that BASF paid to make the site safe for amenity land after the plant was torn down.  The course used to be much more interesting when fescue was abundant, still we all should be applauding what the city working BASF accomplished.  There is another industrial waste site next door and there were hopes of 18 holes, but the owner of that land never came through the way BASF did.  Anyway, if one is near, they should support this course with a round of golf - it will do your soul good.

Ten years ago, city officials saw the opportunity to reclaim more riverfront land, a parcel that had been home to a chemical plant that was razed. The land was unusable for residential development and most other uses due to the previous industrial use. For the splendid sum of one-dollar, the BASF Company leased the strand of waterfront land at the south end of town that "linked" Biddle Ave to the river.

Some of the land was used to allow the public even more access to the riverfront, and for the rest, Michigan golf course designer Jerry Matthews was selected and given room to design and build a nine-hole links course at the corner of town.

Like notable courses and golf clubs in the UK, the clubhouse facilities at Wyandotte Shores are modest and unremarkable -- the place is about golf, not shopping or dining or shoe shining. Players simply tug their clubs from the boots of their automobiles, pay their fees, drag a trolley, and play the holes. Americans who have not traveled to the birthplaces of golf may find this hard to believe, but to this day most world-class Scottish courses do not offer curbside bag-drop valet services, elaborate locker rooms, caddies, club cleaning or motorized carts. Neither does Wyandotte Shores, with the exception of the buggies.

"We recognize the importance of golf and what it can do for our community," said Wyandotte Mayor Leonard Sabuda. Prices at Wyandotte Shores remain eminently affordable -- less than $20 for 18 holes. "We understand that golf is a business, however, we also understand that Wyandotte Shores is provided as a recreational opportunity to our citizens."

Though the course is as much a part of the town's fabric as the Old Course is to St. Andrews, starting times are available to any and all. The par-36 can be played from varying sets of tees in order to complete 18 holes -- that is, until the city completes its eventual next-step of adding a second nine, perhaps on an island in the river to the east or on more waterfront land to the south. Should the holes be placed on the island, the city is considering a ferry or cable car access to the new nine. (Golfers on the eighth tee will often tee a spare ball to determine whether their shot to the river can cross the island. Though it looks reachable, there's not a man alive.)

The existing nine, however, perfectly suits its purpose. It's playable in length -- about 3,000 yards -- and challenging when the golden fescue is allowed to rise from the rough and crest the dune-like mounding. The third and fourth holes, both par-4s, play along the south end's Biddle Avenue homes and stores, much like holes at St. Andrews, Prestwick, Ireland's Lahinch, and astonishingly similar to the closing holes at Scotland's Machrihanish Golf Club in Kintyre, which was founded in 1876. A recent visit to the remote Machrihanish begged not a comparison of the quality of courses but rather the similarity of the cozy small town, neighborhood settings.

Two small ponds corner each of the par-3s, both of which play into the ever-present prevailing wind. The par-4 eighth and par-5 ninth holes at Wyandotte Shores are invariably the most talked about, for they both play directly along the river right back into the corner of town. The water to the right is in play on both of these holes, and while the eighth throws a nasty, gnarly grass pot bunker at players who miss the green short, the ninth has plenty of fescue waiting to the left for those who overcorrect for the water right.

While the Detroit skyline is visible further up the river, Wyandotte's own quaint little presence serves as backdrop to the fescue.

Slugging one's clubs over their shoulder and walking through town to the golf course is not uncommon in Scotland, and may be an increasingly common one in Wyandotte, where a good round can be followed by a good pint or warming java.


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JLahrman

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Re: Land Unfit For Purpose, "from toxic to intoxicating"
« Reply #16 on: April 20, 2012, 08:42:01 PM »
Monarch Bay (or at least 13 holes of it) is also build on reclaimed land, correct?

We also don't want to forget about The Phoenix Golf Links in Columbus, Ohio. It was build right on top of an old landfill. Given that the landfill, and now course, is in full view right along I-71 heading into the city, the golf course does at least provide a visual improvement.

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