Criticisms of Augusta Nat'l

[Ben Sims]

Mother Nature can always trump man's efforts

Smartest thing on the thread so far. 

Last night was not the only rain.  Been getting between a tenth and a quarter a night for a few nights now.

[Aaron McMaster]

Your comments implied that Augusta can just turn on a switch and boom it's firm cause Phil and maybe a few others want it firmer.  Mother nature vs sub air...sub air loses.

[Michael Wharton-Palmer]

I really think we all know that you cant turn mush into firm with sub air...my assumption was based upon no more rain.
Under which circumstances the sub air would be able to mke a significant difference.
After all of last nights rain, I am sure even  the ANGC sub air will struggle to make much of a difference at least for the first couple of days play.
But I assume they will try everything they can, because we all know they dont want the darts scenario if they can at all avoid it.

[Michael George]

SubAirs are pretty cool and according to this video can get green speeds back up pretty quickly.  However, as I mistakenly omitted from this original post (which has been modified by me), there is a difference between speed and softness.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmt-Ku2mfSc

[Michael Wharton-Palmer]

Glad I am not as stupid as some have made me feel.....

[Patrick_Mucci]

The par 3 event was cancelled and everyone sent home due to rain and thunderstorms today.

As I stated, Mother Nature can always trump man's efforts.

The forecast is calling for more rain for the next two days.

[Michael George]

The par 3 event was cancelled and everyone sent home due to rain and thunderstorms.

As I stated, Mother Nature can always trump man's efforts.

The forecast is calling for more rain for the next two days

Then they could be out of luck

[Aaron McMaster]

I really think we all know that you cant turn mush into firm with sub air...my assumption was based upon no more rain.
Under which circumstances the sub air would be able to mke a significant difference.
After all of last nights rain, I am sure even  the ANGC sub air will struggle to make much of a difference at least for the first couple of days play.
But I assume they will try everything they can, because we all know they dont want the darts scenario if they can at all avoid it.

Mike...sorry wasn't trying to make you seem stupid and what you say here is more indicative of what you can expect.  Sub air is a great tool and if you can afford them when your course is in areas that receive large amounts of rain they are excellent.  I was only commenting on your original post that made it sound like this tool allowed Augusta to just flip the switch and suddenly it was firm and fast.

Cheers!

[jeffwarne]

Ben..are you even with the programme here...there is this  modern invention thing called sub air that CAN control the green moiture levels and hence speed...not so ridiculous now eh mate!!!!

Michael,
Would you not say with the above statement that you brought a bit of the reactions you got on yourself?
 
Particularly when the one you aimed it at is on site and working with the crew.

Green speed is not the element needed here,but sub air will assist with firmness also (if it would stop raining )

[Kyle Henderson]

I do recall cross words.

I give you Sergio...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b83WAQsZkWQ

http://www.weiunderpar.com/post/phils-peeved-by-course-conditions

I don't recall hearing too many say a cross word.

Certainly, anyone in this forum would be hard pressed to say a bad word.

Am I just oblivious to past comments, or are Lefties comments unique?

[Bill Brightly]

Kyle, thanks for posting! Harrington's comments were the best. "They set the course up to play too easy, but it is a great course, please invite me next year."

[Adam Clayman]

If sub-air systems have a small window of effectiveness, how do you justify the costs?

[Michael Wharton-Palmer]

Jeff...Indeed I would say that I left myself wide open...bit of a hectic time at the office at the time...mind was in neutral, perhaps even reverse
Lets just hope that three things happen.
Those on site who know WAY MORE than me are able to get the course asready as possible
Mother Nature helps some
The sub air is given the chance to do its job.

There that should put me back in everybody's graces, sorry for the earlier brain fart!!

[Patrick_Mucci]

If sub-air systems have a small window of effectiveness, how do you justify the costs?


Adam,

You have to differentiate between a rainstorm and days of constant and/or heavy rain.

Given the event, it's scope and influence and it's  broadcast impact the cost is the easiest thing to justify

[Adam Clayman]

Pat, I wasn't really referring to ANGC. Mentioning costs, and ANGC, isn't germane.

I was concerned about all those course that try to keep up with Joneses.

Unless preventing disease is their justification, I don't see why a well designed green and surrounds, would require the expenditure, if all one has to do is wait a few hours for similar results.

Can someone who is familiar with these systems, educate us on the real benefits?  

[Norbert P]

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