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Chris Buie

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Fairly recently, I started typing away on another tiresome IMO piece about Pinehurst - kind of picking up where the last one ended. Well, I've got some other matters to tend to so it looks like I won't get around to finishing it for a while. But anyway, I thought it might be slightly worthwhile to share this particular page because it is that time of year. Really, this page should be read in the context of the rest of the piece - which fumbles around with some of the more expansive issues like when the tension between amateur and professional golf reached its denouement. And, of course, it meanders around in peripheral areas. But never the less, I suppose it may be worth a look on its own.

It's a story not often told.

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Part I

"I missed the money in the Los Angeles Open. And we were driving to Oakland, California, and Valerie said, ‘You know how much money we have?’ And I said, ‘Yes, I know.’ We had eighty-six left out of the $1,400. So she said, ‘Well, what are we gonna do?"
- Ben Hogan

The early professional golf tour was a rather bleak affair. Merely to stay afloat one had to finish very high in the tournaments - on a regular basis. Not finishing well could mean having to leave the tour and head for home - as happened to Hogan for a time. Players traveled around in cars without heat or air for enormous distances while doubling and tripling up in seedy motels. Not all of the players ate well - although the same can not exactly be said with regard to drinking.

Things were a little different when the tour arrived in Pinehurst.

"The North and South Open at Pinehurst was one of tournament golf's most anticipated events, a beautifully run tournament most marquee players regarded as only a whisker below the National Open and the PGA Championship in terms of prestige and stature. Players' wives adored the North and South because the tournament's hosts treated them like visiting royalty, providing manicures and massages, lush buffet luncheons, special teas, garden tours, horseback rides, and black-tie socials and dinners in the elegantly draped dining room of the Carolina. There were always fresh spring flowers waiting in the guest rooms, along with imported bottles of French mineral water, and guests were invited to take in polo matches off the hotel's vast side porch or attend evening band concerts in the village square." - James Dodson

From end to end, the entire village was filled with luxuriant displays of dogwood, azalea and wisteria. Playing the best competitors on the ingenious course within this otherworldly ambiance - at the height of Spring - was an experience unlike anything these hardscrabble players had ever known.

It was as close to perfection as any tournament you care to name - a tradition like no other.


Courtesy of the Tufts Archives

"For many years, the old North and South Open on No. 2 was sort of a Masters before there was a Masters. Touring pros and golfing enthusiasts alike remember the North-South and Pinehurst as the tour’s annual brush with charm and elegance. Black tie and evening gowns for dinner. Eventually, it was the favorite tournament of Ben Hogan and Sam Snead, who each won it three times and in fact considered it a major as did the equipment and apparel companies who gave bonuses to the North-South winner just as they did for the winners of the U.S. Open, PGA and Western Open." - Dan Jenkins

There were many extraordinary battles which occurred in that half century of supreme tournament golf. The 1920 version was most assuredly one of the best. A spirited battle went on with a great deal of tension until Walter Hagen came to the 18th hole of No. 2. Like Payne Stewart many decades later he also needed a par to win and a bogey for a playoff. Also like Payne he was left with a 20 foot par putt for a dramatic victory. Unlike the man who's statue now resides behind the green, Hagan missed the putt. He then had a four footer for the play off.

"A loud and distinct groan went up from the wall of onlookers as they saw that putt had missed by three inches. But their golf hero stood up straight and just laughed." - Golf Illustrated


Hagan on the final green of the 1920 North South Open

Don't feel too sorry for the Haig - he ended up winning the tournament three times. Incidentally, he won the Western Open five times. That was considered a major at the time, as well. When historians make their lists of all time greats they would do well to take this more into consideration.

Oh, and by the way he won five PGA's, two U.S. Opens and four (British) Opens, as well. That is...19 majors, if you are counting. Can you imagine the regard he would get if this was pulled off today - especially given his effervescent style and personality? Regarding his personality, all you really need to know is that he preferred to end the day's round with his butler standing beside the green - in full regalia - delivering a perfectly chilled martini on a tray.

Of equal or perhaps even more importance was the fact that he was the one who personally transformed the status of pro golfer from tradesman (who were not allowed in the clubhouses) to something along the lines of an upper-mid level businessman. Only the Haig could say "Hey Eddie, hold the flag, would you please," to the future King of England and get away with it gracefully.

The earliest days of the North-South were dominated by none other than the Pinehurst pro himself. Ross won the title six times. Most people don't know that while a pro at Pinehurst...Ross won the U.S. Open in 1907. Well, actually that would be Alec rather than his brother Donald. Alec was quite a renowned player and won many titles all over the world. Brother Donald held up his end of the family golfing honor not too badly as well. In the earliest days he won the North-South three times. There are not many who remember the master architect also finished in the top ten in both the American and British Opens.


Alec Ross - Courtesy of Wikipedia

Among many other dramatic North-South competitions was the 1940 version. Coming into the tournament Hogan had yet to win a single time. He had been close several occasions only to crumble at the end. It had gotten to the point where he had a reputation as a guy who could not pull it off. This was starting to get the diminutive man more than a little steamed up. In fact, before this tournament he canceled two lucrative private matches which were guaranteed money even larger than the North-South purse. It was a very determined man who showed up a week early to sort matters out before the big event.

And for the first three rounds sort matters out he did. With the brand new MacGregor driver Byron Nelson had graciously given him he took the lead early and held it through the first three rounds. With one more to go he was four ahead of the man who irritated him the most. The tour was still in the stage of trying to establish respectability and, to put it mildly, Hogan did not care for the hillbilly routine Sam Snead trotted out at events with the overalls and straw hat he'd put on to amuse everybody. Still, Snead was an unbelievable talent and a proven champion many times over. And he was breathing right down Mr. Hogan's neck.

Also in second place going into the final round was "The Squire" - Gene Sarazen. At this point Sarazen had already won seven majors. The Squire didn't think there was quite enough pressure on the long suffering Hogan - so he took the liberty of goosing him a bit before the final round. The previous night while holding court at the Carolina, Sarazen said "he has never won before, he won't win this time. Hogan's been out front before. Someone will catch him".

Apparently, Hogan wasn't entirely pleased with this newspaper quote.

A gentleman not in the least given to exaggeration saw Payne Stewart walking up to the first tee before the final round in '99. He said "I've never seen anything like that. You could have held a shotgun up to Payne's head and he wouldn't have blinked." Hogan was was exactly like that - if not even more so that particular day.

Well, not only did he win the tournament - he set the all time record - leaving all those formidable competitors in the dust. It was quite a breakthrough - and a turning point because he rattled off several more wins that year. The rest of his career needs no comment here.

That is just a little sample of the many all time matches which occurred during those halcyon years. There were, of course, many more. But, matters went to an even higher level at one point. In a moment of competitive golf that has not been reached before or since, in 1951 the Ryder Cup was held in Pinehurst the week prior to this major tournament.

It was indeed a singular moment in time...which ended in ignominy.

As did the fabled North and South - for that was the year the magical tournament ended.


Poster on the veranda of the Pine Crest Inn
« Last Edit: April 14, 2012, 11:08:07 AM by Chris Buie »

Ronald Montesano

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Re: The North and South Open - ("The Masters Before the Masters")
« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2012, 04:02:43 PM »
This, Mr. Buie, would be what I call an electric read. Thanks for humbling my prose and for treating us to your discourse.
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Re: The North and South Open - ("The Masters Before the Masters")
« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2012, 04:26:24 PM »
Chris:

I imagine that this excellent post is going to fall into the category of those that receive little response, simply because there's little to add.  Please keep it up, this was one of the best reads I've had in this forum in quite some time.

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Anders Rytter

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Re: The North and South Open - ("The Masters Before the Masters")
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2012, 05:15:20 PM »
Threads like this is what makes me come back to the site so often.

so much knowledge shared here!

Ed Oden

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Re: The North and South Open - ("The Masters Before the Masters")
« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2012, 10:04:52 PM »
Chris, as always, a fantastic job!  The notion of the North and South as an early version of the Masters is an interesting one.  I wonder if that had anything to do with Ross not getting the ANGC job?  Was Bobby Jones' rejection of Ross at least in part a conscious or subconscious effort to distinguish his club/tournament from Pinehurst and the North and South?  Is there an inverse relationship between the rise of the Masters and the decline of the North and South?

Peter Pallotta

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« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2012, 10:38:40 PM »
Chris - a genuine pleasure, really well done, just great.  With your talent and your tastes (this piece is yet another from you that, while clearly written by a purist, still manages to 'cross over' and capture a real populist audience/feel), you really should be trying to get yourself published in whatever mainstream and decently-paying golf publications are out there.  You should and deserve to be writing professionally about golf -- and that's the first time I've ever said that around here. (I don't even say it about many who currently ARE writing professionally about golf).

Thanks again.

Peter     

Mac Plumart

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Re: The North and South Open - ("The Masters Before the Masters")
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2012, 11:10:19 PM »
Chris...

You mentioned you are working on another "tiresome" IMO opinion piece on Pinehurst.  I hope you mean "tiresome" to write and not to read.  Your posts and IMO pieces are a highlight of this site and they are in no way tiresome to your readers.

Sportsman/Adventure loving golfer.

Patrick_Mucci

Re: The North and South Open - ("The Masters Before the Masters")
« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2012, 12:14:15 AM »
Chris,

My dad met and became friends with Walter Hagan at the North-South Open.

Walter Hagan invited my dad to a party one night.
He picked him up in his fancy car, a Dusenberg I believe.

At the party Walter had a good deal to drink and encouraged my dad, who wasn't a drinker, to have a few.

They were serving Welsh Rabbit for dinner and Walter took the ladel of melted cheese and was spraying everyone with the sauce.

On the drive home, Walter, clearly under the influence by modern standards, decided to go "off road" and to my dad's horror, was weaving his car around and through the pine trees.  When he dropped my dad off, my dad felt fortunate to have survived the ride home.
He wasn't sure if he wasn't feeling well due to the drinks he consumed, the harrowing ride home or a combination of both.

The next day my dad had a very unwelcome hangover, but managed to play very well.
Walter came out on the course to watch him, and after learning how my dad was playing, told him that he ought to engage in the previous night's activities more often.  Then, he invited my dad out for another night on the town, but my dad politely declined.

Evidently, this was SOP for Walter.

Sam Morrow

Re: The North and South Open - ("The Masters Before the Masters")
« Reply #8 on: April 01, 2012, 12:16:39 AM »
Chris,

My dad met and became friends with Walter Hagan at the North-South Open.

Walter Hagan invited my dad to a party one night.
He picked him up in his fancy car, a Dusenberg I believe.

At the party Walter had a good deal to drink and encouraged my dad, who wasn't a drinker, to have a few.

They were serving Welsh Rabbit for dinner and Walter took the ladel of melted cheese and was spraying everyone with the sauce.

On the drive home, Walter, clearly under the influence by modern standards, decided to go "off road" and to my dad's horror, was weaving his car around and through the pine trees.  When he dropped my dad off, my dad felt fortunate to have survived the ride home.
He wasn't sure if he wasn't feeling well due to the drinks he consumed, the harrowing ride home or a combination of both.

The next day my dad had a very unwelcome hangover, but managed to play very well.
Walter came out on the course to watch him, and after learning how my dad was playing, told him that he ought to engage in the previous night's activities more often.  Then, he invited my dad out for another night on the town, but my dad politely declined.

Evidently, this was SOP for Walter.

That might be in your top 5 best stories.

Tim_Cronin

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Re: The North and South Open - ("The Masters Before the Masters")
« Reply #9 on: April 01, 2012, 01:30:07 AM »
Chris, as always, a fantastic job!  The notion of the North and South as an early version of the Masters is an interesting one.  I wonder if that had anything to do with Ross not getting the ANGC job?  Was Bobby Jones' rejection of Ross at least in part a conscious or subconscious effort to distinguish his club/tournament from Pinehurst and the North and South?  Is there an inverse relationship between the rise of the Masters and the decline of the North and South?

Ed, there seemed to be just such a relationship between the N&S and the Masters. As the prestige of the latter rose, the former's began to decline. However, there was also benign neglect involved. If I recall correctly, Pinehurst didn't want to raise the purse when the PGA of America Tournament Bureau raised the minimum for a tour stop to $10,000. The N&S was still at $7,500 a few years earlier, and while the other aspects of the tournament that Chris detailed made up the difference, eventually the PGA wanted a larger purse. Meanwhile, the Masters purse was beginning to grow, and it had always gotten more publicity anyway thanks to Jones.

I'll let Chris explain what happened after the Ryder Cup that convinced Tufts to pull the plug on the N&S and replace it with the N&S Senior Amateur.
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Chris Buie

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Re: The North and South Open - ("The Masters Before the Masters")
« Reply #10 on: April 01, 2012, 01:56:46 PM »
Thanks for the comments. You guys are really kind.
Peter, it could be interesting to write for some sort of periodical. I'm told it's a little like being married to a woman with an unusually lively libido. It's great for a while then you are kind of not quite so enthusiastic about matters. If I remember correctly that thought was expressed to me a little differently.
One thing I can tell you for sure is that it was worth writing this piece just to hear Mr. Mucci's story. I would certainly enjoy hearing more about his father's adventures. Perhaps he could tell us a bit about his father's visits to the Dune's Club. The Pinehurst police were always civil enough to give this high flying speakeasy a ring before paying them a visit.
Ed and Tim, those are intriguing questions. The relationship between Augusta and Pinehurst is an interesting one which is not fully understood by anybody. The rest of the essay doesn't really explore that somewhat symbiotic relationship in depth. It's about three different aspects of the resort (the loss of an annual major championship being one) that occurred right after Ross passed away - and sent the place spinning off in a different direction.
But you can be sure Jones and Cliff Roberts were highly influenced by Pinehurst and the North South. There is a film that has Bobby Jones taking photographs during the tournament - its about 5 minutes into the film. I've referred to that before and actually, you can view that here if you care to:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtT5wOTzTsM
Thanks again everybody.

Patrick_Mucci

Re: The North and South Open - ("The Masters Before the Masters")
« Reply #11 on: April 01, 2012, 06:58:25 PM »
Chris,

Ahhh, the Dunes Club.

Carl Andrews became very friendly with my dad when my dad visited every year, either to play in the tournament, or just visiting on his way to or from Florida with his golfing pals.  Carl was often my dad's partner in golf and cards.

When I was first invited to play in the North-South Amateur in the late 60's, my father took me aside and said words to the effect:  "I know that you're going to go and do as you please, and that you'll find your way to the Dunes Club, but do me a favor.  First, make sure you seek out and introduce yourself to Carl Andrews and tell him you're my son and that I was asking for him.
Second, if you gamble, and I don't recommend it, gamble 'small', because you can't win if you bet 'large'.
Go and have a good time, enjoy the food, beverage and show, but don't gamble any meaningful amount."

So, I find my way to the Dunes Club.  I have a nice dinner with some friends and ask if Mr Andrews is available and if I could speak with him.
He comes over and I introduce myself and tell him that my dad said to say "hello".
He says, "your dad was a terrific player, movie star handsome, a terrific dresser and a he'll of a nice guy.
He then takes me and introduces me to everyone in the club, employees, lawyers, judges, businessmen and friends.
Then he takes me down a hall and through a curtain into the casino, where he introduces me to everyone working in the place.
He says, "this boys daddy is a good friend of mine, you take good care of him"

That meant, if he gambles, let him break even.

You learned the true meaning of, "the only game in town"

I would go to the Dunes Club every year I went to play in the North-South Amateur.

One year the entertainment was a belly dance.  I think her name was "Shalimar" or something like that.
She was gorgeous, with a body that was celestial.
That year I took my younger brother with me.
I introduced him to Shalimar and invited her back to the house I had rented at CCNC.
At the house, she said that her mother had cautioned her about traveling on the road and getting involved with strangers.
So, I say, let's call your mom and reassure her that you're safe and sound and in good company.
Shalimar was from Miami.  So we call her mom and I spend an hour on the phone acquainting myself with her mother and reassuring her that her daughter is with upstanding individuals.
I spend the rest of the time in Pinehurst  playing golf and beating balls and I never see my brother again until we're ready to head home.
The sacrifices one makes for friends and family.
Shalimar was the type of woman you fantasize about.

Another time at the Dunes I ran into two women from Greenville, North Carolina that turned out to be one of the most fun off-tournament experiences I ever had.

As much as I looked forward to starting the golf season by playing in the North-South Amateur, I was looking forward to visiting the Dunes Club and the prospect of what might await me.

It was a terrific club as long as you bet small.


« Last Edit: April 01, 2012, 07:01:36 PM by Patrick_Mucci »

Colin Macqueen

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Re: The North and South Open - ("The Masters Before the Masters")
« Reply #12 on: April 01, 2012, 07:28:25 PM »
Chris,
Marvellous writing which, for me, conjures up a golden age where all seemed right with the world through the thirties and early forties. I always enjoy the "sociable" history of golf and particularly the period that you are describing. The golfing personas get their characters filled out and become more real with vignettes such as this. I try to get the young whipper-snapper trainee pros at the club to read and enjoy this sort of stuff as they should have a well-rounded education don't you think! Your well-crafted piece makes my onerous task a lot easier so thanks for that. I do hope that ypou return to your erstwhile "fumblings" after tending to other matters.

Cheers Colin
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Kevin Pallier

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« Reply #13 on: April 01, 2012, 07:56:19 PM »
Thanks for the background information Chris

Here's one that thinks that the records of the early winners of this event should have them considered "Majors"

Kris Shreiner

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« Reply #14 on: April 02, 2012, 03:45:18 PM »
Chris,

A fine post sir! You really have to hand it to that little neck of the woods; they sure seemed to try and do it right, without appearing to be ostentatious. That understated rightness was sure sign the gang who ran it knew their business when it came to putting on a great event.

As always, I look forward to my Fall pilgrimage, this November, for the 3rd Symposium for Affordable Golf, and hope we have a solid GCA turnout for this important event hosted by Mr. Mandell and his team.

Cheers,

Kris 8)
« Last Edit: April 05, 2012, 11:39:10 AM by Kris Shreiner »
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Dunlop_White

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Re: The North and South Open - ("The Masters Before the Masters")
« Reply #15 on: April 03, 2012, 01:08:22 AM »
Chris, All good stuff! Do you know how many N & S Opens Sam Snead won? Four perhaps? Reason being is that I ran into Snead's son at the Homestead last month. He shared that his father actually won 28 majors -- more than anyone? And that few people to date have acknowledged what was widely-known in the day -- that the N & S Open (and the Western and/or LA) were once Majors?

Kevin Pallier

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Re: The North and South Open - ("The Masters Before the Masters")
« Reply #16 on: April 03, 2012, 07:23:12 AM »
Dunlop

For mine it depends how one views it but Nth/Sth Open and Western Open victories could count IMO as "Majors" for Pro's before the US PGA and Masters were est. in 1916 / 1934 restpectively. As such, it would have allowed the historical records to reflect 4 "Majors" similar to today.

With the Western Open being est. in 1899 one could take victories from it up till & incl. 1933 ? (replaced by the Masters)
With the Nth / South Open being est. in 1902 one could take victories for it up till & incl. 1915 ? (replaced by the US PGA)
or vice versa

By all accounts the above Tournaments were quite prestigious in their own right ?


Garland Bayley

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Re: The North and South Open - ("The Masters Before the Masters")
« Reply #17 on: April 06, 2012, 04:31:28 PM »
Dunlop

For mine it depends how one views it but Nth/Sth Open and Western Open victories could count IMO as "Majors" for Pro's before the US PGA and Masters were est. in 1916 / 1934 restpectively. As such, it would have allowed the historical records to reflect 4 "Majors" similar to today.

With the Western Open being est. in 1899 one could take victories from it up till & incl. 1933 ? (replaced by the Masters)
With the Nth / South Open being est. in 1902 one could take victories for it up till & incl. 1915 ? (replaced by the US PGA)
or vice versa

By all accounts the above Tournaments were quite prestigious in their own right ?



The Masters was not considered a major until the late 1950s. To call it a major in 1933 is preposterous. Had Arnie won the Western Open by the time he named the grand slam contingents, The Masters probably would never have been a major.
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Sam Morrow

Re: The North and South Open - ("The Masters Before the Masters")
« Reply #18 on: April 06, 2012, 10:10:20 PM »
Dunlop

For mine it depends how one views it but Nth/Sth Open and Western Open victories could count IMO as "Majors" for Pro's before the US PGA and Masters were est. in 1916 / 1934 restpectively. As such, it would have allowed the historical records to reflect 4 "Majors" similar to today.

With the Western Open being est. in 1899 one could take victories from it up till & incl. 1933 ? (replaced by the Masters)
With the Nth / South Open being est. in 1902 one could take victories for it up till & incl. 1915 ? (replaced by the US PGA)
or vice versa

By all accounts the above Tournaments were quite prestigious in their own right ?



The Masters was not considered a major until the late 1950s. To call it a major in 1933 is preposterous. Had Arnie won the Western Open by the time he named the grand slam contingents, The Masters probably would never have been a major.


Was it Bob Drum or one of that eras writers who started calling the majors The Grand Slam?

Kevin Pallier

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« Reply #19 on: April 07, 2012, 09:27:03 PM »
The Masters was not considered a major until the late 1950s. To call it a major in 1933 is preposterous. Had Arnie won the Western Open by the time he named the grand slam contingents, The Masters probably would never have been a major.

Garland

Do I presume then you would take the career slam off Gene Sarazen then ?

Sam

I thought it was Keeler in relation the Bobby Jones 4 Major total record of 1930 ?

Sam Morrow

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« Reply #20 on: April 08, 2012, 01:46:35 PM »
The Masters was not considered a major until the late 1950s. To call it a major in 1933 is preposterous. Had Arnie won the Western Open by the time he named the grand slam contingents, The Masters probably would never have been a major.

Garland

Do I presume then you would take the career slam off Gene Sarazen then ?

Sam

I thought it was Keeler in relation the Bobby Jones 4 Major total record of 1930 ?


But that Grand Slam included the US and British Ams.

Kevin Pallier

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Re: The North and South Open - ("The Masters Before the Masters")
« Reply #21 on: April 08, 2012, 06:41:14 PM »
Sam

I believe your original question was in relation to "The Grand Slam" which by my understanding = 4 Majors in one calendar year. A "Career Slam" would then equate to all 4 Majors over the length of one's career.

I am not aware who coined the Masters, US PGA, British Open and US Open as Majors

Sam Morrow

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« Reply #22 on: April 08, 2012, 07:31:30 PM »
Sam

I believe your original question was in relation to "The Grand Slam" which by my understanding = 4 Majors in one calendar year. A "Career Slam" would then equate to all 4 Majors over the length of one's career.

I am not aware who coined the Masters, US PGA, British Open and US Open as Majors

Thanks Kevin, I was unclear, I meant the modern professional slam.

Tim_Cronin

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Re: The North and South Open - ("The Masters Before the Masters")
« Reply #23 on: April 09, 2012, 12:47:15 AM »
Dunlop

For mine it depends how one views it but Nth/Sth Open and Western Open victories could count IMO as "Majors" for Pro's before the US PGA and Masters were est. in 1916 / 1934 restpectively. As such, it would have allowed the historical records to reflect 4 "Majors" similar to today.

With the Western Open being est. in 1899 one could take victories from it up till & incl. 1933 ? (replaced by the Masters)
With the Nth / South Open being est. in 1902 one could take victories for it up till & incl. 1915 ? (replaced by the US PGA)
or vice versa

By all accounts the above Tournaments were quite prestigious in their own right ?


Kevin, they were, as was the Canadian Open. The five big association championships were the British, U.S., Western, Canadian and PGA, in order of appearance. (Trivia: Tommy Armour was the first to win them all, and only Tiger Woods has duplicated that. Jack Nicklaus came in second in the Canadian five times.) Almost all other golf tournaments were played on the "winter tour," when club pros could get away, which was really the start of today's PGA Tour.

Nobody's considered the Canadian a major at any time, but the original World Series of Golf (1962-1975) considered the Western and Canadian winners as first and second alternate for the WSOG if someone had won two (or three) majors to fill out the foursome, and those two, plus the Players and the majors, were the only automatic WSOG entry tournaments for winners, from 1976 until the entry policy was loosened.

The Western was considered a major (i.e., larger press coverage, equipment bonuses) into the 1950s. The North & South lost that status before that.

Dan Jenkins considers both a major, and added the Los Angeles Open in the early era (largest purse) and George S. May's World Championship of the 1940s and 1950s (again, largest purse), plus the original Met Open (quality of field). Your mileage may vary. The fun part is tallying up these "extra" majors. Walter Hagen gains five more majors with his Western Open wins alone.

The other fun part is that the PGA Tour has no say in the matter. Everybody went along when the LPGA declared a fifth major, probably because few really care. That hasn't worked with the Players, though it looks like a major to me, minus one thing: The lack of pure unadulterated choking we see at Augusta. And how many do the seniors have these days?
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Re: The North and South Open - ("The Masters Before the Masters")
« Reply #24 on: April 09, 2012, 05:53:08 AM »
Chris
  That was great, thanks for sharing and sending us back in time to a plave and time that was not cluttered and complicated. Reading your story, I wanted to put on the plus fours and argyles and junp in my time machine to visit the North and South at the home of American golf.Have not seen the " new " #2 yet in person but I've been told it is fabulous.
' Golf courses are like wives and the prom queen doesn't always make for the best wife "

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