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Ran Morrissett

Forest Creek (North Course) profile is posted ...
« on: October 24, 2012, 02:19:33 PM »
... under Architecture Timeline and Courses by Country.

An interesting phenomenon takes place once an architect becomes successful: He begins to take less and less risk.

Whether that statement is true or not, I’m not sure!  8) But it certainly feels that way.

Why rock the boat? People hire someone because they like his body of work and appreciate his style. Why do something different? Also, he is likely very busy and perhaps his crew is so accustomed to working in a set manner that there isn’t the time, opportunity or inclination for tweaking design elements. Steady as she goes, Captain!

Of course, some architects now acknowledge that they built courses 20 years ago that were too difficult and are now marketing that they have changed. That’s a different circumstance (and is not to which I refer): They are being forced by market pressures to alter an unwanted (i.e. failed) design style.

Rather, I am talking about examples where the architect voluntarily produced a design featuring (for him at least) uncharacteristic elements. Examples are elusive but I know one: The North Course at Forest Creek.

Work at Forest Creek’s second course commenced in 1998, at the height of Fazio’s career and during America’s building boom. Yet, this course features infuriating front to back greens, drives where most golfers won’t see their ball finish, a nine hole stretch without a par three, and back to back par 5s. All of these are design characteristics not typically associated with Fazio’s body of work. Throw in well utilized large areas of sand and you end up with one of the most strategically compelling designs of the ~25 courses of his that I have played. Perhaps Fazio is a prisoner of his own success; otherwise, I have no clue why this course doesn’t feature more prominently in Golf Week’s Modern Top 100. 

I have a weakness for big boned courses over rolling land with large hazards (e.g.  Kapalua Plantation, Kingsley and Ballyhack) so I acknowledge a personal bias. Still, I am very curious to hear other perspectives about the North because evidently it seems that I have a different take than others.


Nice to see sand as a dominant theme in a course located in The Sand Hills of North Carolina.

It is always a pleasure to chronicle how an architect deviates from his norm and produces something of exception. At its core the North Course is about gaining a reward by gliding past a series of large, attractive hazards but it’s the tweaks like the greens and the unconventional sequence of pars that imbues the course with unique qualities, especially within Fazio’s vast portfolio.

Have a look and see what you think!

Cheers,

Mike Nuzzo

Re: Forest Creek (North Course) profile is posted ...
« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2012, 02:54:59 PM »
Thank you Ran
Did you consider posting this first picture and ask everyone to name the architect?
It is a good looking golf hole and I doubt many would have been correct.

I liked not seeing bunkers between the fairway and water that serve little purpose besides looking pretty, as I have seen on many modern Fazio courses.

Still it is a LOT of bunkers.
I assume they weren't just unearthed.

They also take a more minimalist approach with maintenance - which makes a big difference to the naturalist eye.

Cheers
Thinking of Bob, Rihc, Bill, George, Neil, Dr. Childs, & Tiger.

J_ Crisham

Re: Forest Creek (North Course) profile is posted ...
« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2012, 08:36:24 PM »
Ran,  Kudos for starting a thread on Forest Creek North. Arguably one of Fazio's top 10 designs. Having played multiple rounds here it is hard to fathom why this course is not high on the top 100 list of modern designs. The use of the available topography is simply brilliant,some of the holes are very Pine Valley like with scrubby waste areas and  challenging approach shots. This should be on everyone's short list when headed to Pinehurst.

Greg Ohlendorf

Re: Forest Creek (North Course) profile is posted ...
« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2012, 09:51:55 PM »
Ran,

Great post on FC North. It sits on a really good piece of property and the routing is very interesting. I think you featured some of the best holes. I find the back to back par fours 12 and 13 as a couple of my favorites, but there aren't many weak ones in my opinion. I found your comments on Fazio's routing to be spot on. There aren't a great deal of courses that run 9 holes without a par three, but it works.  The natural waste areas stand in stark contrast to the more traditional bunkering on the South and add true visual variety to the course. The members are very spit on their favorite, which is a testament to how good they both are. With the course now being owned by the membership, things are looking up at Forest Creek in Pinehurst.

Greg

Adam Clayman

Re: Forest Creek (North Course) profile is posted ...
« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2012, 12:58:02 PM »
Honestly, I felt as though the opener on the North course was the prettiest opener I've ever seen. I may have been influenced by the low light, but, even so, it was simply gorgeous.
"It's unbelievable how much you don't know about the game you've been playing your whole life." - Mickey Mantle

PCCraig

Re: Forest Creek (North Course) profile is posted ...
« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2012, 01:12:45 PM »
Ran,

Thanks for posting your review of the North Course at Forest Creek. I've been fortunate enough to have played the course upwards of 30-40 times and I enjoy it more every time I play it. Regardless of who the designer is, the course is fun, interesting, and beautiful. There are some fantastic holes, as profiled, but I'll go as far as to say that I think the 12th is my favorite and a fantastic par-4. A perfect example of setting yourself off the tee for a prime angle into the green, and a truly intimidating second shot toward the green over a false front and the large bunker on the left. Then to follow that hole up with a short, downhill par-4 with multiple options off the tee is a perfect switch in gear before hitting the home stretch. The 3rd and 18th are also great par-5's.

Forest Creek is a really special place with two very good golf courses. It is also a great set-up with an all world men's locker room and staff. Hopefully more people can visit and play when in the Pinehurst area.
H.P.S.

Bruce Wellmon

Re: Forest Creek (North Course) profile is posted ...
« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2012, 01:16:50 PM »
It is nice to get a look at the North at Forest Creek.
I played the South course many years ago and "the hog hole" while the North course was yet to be completed.
Time to return.

Joel_Stewart

Re: Forest Creek (North Course) profile is posted ...
« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2012, 10:18:38 PM »
It's a good looking course.  I agree the bunkers look very natural.

Did I miss who Fazio's design associate was and what construction company did the work?

Tiger_Bernhardt

Re: Forest Creek (North Course) profile is posted ...
« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2012, 12:10:19 AM »
I must confess not placing this course as high high on the Fazio list. I had the best of hosts on the best of days though.

PCCraig

Re: Forest Creek (North Course) profile is posted ...
« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2012, 09:17:29 AM »
I must confess not placing this course as high high on the Fazio list.

Why is that Tiger?
H.P.S.

Jud_T

Re: Forest Creek (North Course) profile is posted ...
« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2012, 09:31:40 AM »
Ran,

I agree. From what I saw of the course, and I only played 9 holes during construction, it's perhaps the most intriguing of Fazio's work that I've seen, although admittedly I haven't played all his top rated tracks.  I greatly preferred it to the South, even though my low-handicap member friends might disagree.
Golf is a game. We play it. Somewhere along the way we took the fun out of it and charged a premium to be punished.- - Ron Sirak

jim_lewis

Re: Forest Creek (North Course) profile is posted ...
« Reply #11 on: November 04, 2012, 08:29:26 AM »
Mike:

The overwhelming majority of the bunkers/waste areas on the North Course were just excavated to expose the existing sand. A few were manufactured, but even on those the sand was brought from other parts of the course. All of the sand on the course is natural to the site.
I don't think Ran mentioned that all of the sand plays are "through the green" and not as hazards. Since the sand is natural, it is not consistent.

Jim
"Crusty"  Jim
Freelance Curmudgeon

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