"THere is no such thing as a great uphill hole in all of golf"

[Mike Benham]

18 at Sand Hills.  12 and 18 at Dismal.

I'm sure that Johnny is kicking himself for having forgotten 12 and 18 at Dismal 

And perhaps #2 and #17 at Olympic were downhill when Johnny was playing the course as a yute ...

[DMoriarty]

Asked another way, are there any uphill holes that would generally be considered the best hole on a particular course? I'm betting not.

The 8th at Crystal Downs.  The 8th or 9th at Prairie Dunes.

[Mark Bourgeois]

You guys make the mistake of assuming that Miller thought about that statement for more than a nanosecond before he uttered it.

You guys make the mistake of assuming Miller made that statement.

[Sean Leary]

David,

9th at PD uphill? Can't be if 8 is uphill.

[Anthony Gray]

  14 at Cruden Bay is the best par 4 in golf.

  Anthony

No, it isn't.  It's not even the best par 4 at Cruden Bay.  It may, arguably, be the best par 4 in a back 9 short of good par 4s.

+1

Miller is on the record calling PVGC 15 on of the greatest par 5s in golf.

Congrats on getting this far with the trolling, Anthony.

  I think thats funny but I don't understand it Mark.

[DMoriarty]

David,

9th at PD uphill? Can't be if 8 is uphill.

Yeah I thought about that.   They both sure seem uphill to me, but then I used to walk to and from school, uphill both ways. Try the 9th from the forward tees and maybe it works?

[Kalen Braley]

Mark B appears to be right...

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0HFI/is_3_58/ai_n27909997/

[Anthony Gray]

  GOLF page 87. Has anyone named a "great" uphill hole? Maybe he is correct. Is 13 at Pac Dunes an uphill hole?

  Anthony

[Chris Roselle]

9th at Rolling Green GC (615 yards all uphill)
9th at the Philadelphia Cricket Club
18th at Lancaster Country Club

[Jeff_Brauer]

JM is probably one of those guys who thinks the bottom of the pin being blind is a sin, too.  It affects his perspective.  Many uphill holes are a bit awkward, and even more are blind.

However, its a matter of degrees and total compostion. I agree that in very few cases the best holes on a course are uphill, but some of the holes mentioned are pretty gently uphill, and you can see the green, if not the pin.  They add certain elements, like less roll, etc. that cannot be had with downhill holes.

[Anthony Gray]

  Nobody has mentioned a well known hole.

 

[Anthony Gray]

  His comments were related to the 18th at Augusta

[Keith OHalloran]

The third at NGLA plays uphill, at least on the second shot.

[Mark Bourgeois]

Anthony, I apologize. I thought you were having us on.

Here is Johnny Miller in "I Call the Shots."

On the 15th Pine Valley:

Pine Valley also has one of the great par 5s in golf in its 15th hole. It's uphill all the way and gets narrower as you go along.

On Shinny 14:

The 14th hole, a par 4 that sweeps down from the tee and then up to the right to an elusive green, may be the best hole in the world.

On Shinny's finish:

And the finishing holes are the best in golf...The 18th is five miles of lonesome road, an uphill par 4 where pars are dearly bought.

Someday Johnny really needs to get around to reading his book.  

[John Shimp]

18 ngla, 5 angc, 18 at #2, 9 and 18 at shgc, etc

[Garland Bayley]

David,

9th at PD uphill? Can't be if 8 is uphill.

Yeah I thought about that.   They both sure seem uphill to me, but then I used to walk to and from school, uphill both ways. Try the 9th from the forward tees and maybe it works?

You forgot to mention the distance, the temperature, and the blizzard.

[Garland Bayley]

  Nobody has mentioned a well known hole.

 

6 at PB not well known?

[Anthony Gray]

  Nobody has mentioned a well known hole.

 

6 at PB not well known?

  What's PB?

[Garland Bayley]

  Nobody has mentioned a well known hole.

 

6 at PB not well known?

  What's PB?

I believe it's the place where johnny posted his last tour win.

[Tim Martin]

17 Oakmont
3 Fishers Island
4 Shennecossett
13 The Orchards
17 Wampanoag
17 Essex County Club
9 Newport CC

[Greg Tallman]

Doesn't Westchester have a couple pretty darn good uphilll holes near the middle of the round?

[JNC Lyon]

My list from last year, with Yale swapped in at the 10 spot:

1)   Jeffersonville-4 (Ross chain bunkering—firm handshake)
2)   St. George’s-4 (use of steep slopes for bunkering and strategy--I could have picked four of five from this course, which makes me want to go back to Toronto again!)
3)   Country Club of Rochester-4 (making a short par four tough)
4)   Swinley Forest-3 (shelf greens!--another course with a bunch of great uphill holes)
5)   Dismal River-3 (horizon green, centerline bunker)
6)   Mountain Ridge-5 (when short par fives are tough)
7)   Yeamans Hall-4 (the bruising long par four)
8.   Ballyneal-5 (all bunkers are there in front of you—steep green)
9)   French Creek-4 (lay out the strategy, punchbowl green)

10)   Yale-4 (epic architecture at at its best--and how about that green?)
11)   Merion (West)-4 (Flynn at his best)
12)   Lederach-5 (driver-three-wood-three-wood)
13)   Oak Hill (West)-4 (Ross on rolling land--could have picked 13 East too!)
14)   Rolling Green-3 (a classic Flynn par three)
15)   Garden City-4 (obscured view for the second shot)
16)   Schuylkill-3 (an uphill short par three)
17)   Teugega (classic Ross routing, down then up more to a wild green)
18)   The Country Club-4 (a great test for the finish)

And a four-pager on the same topic: http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,49034.0.html

Johnny Miller--stick to commentary on golf swings.  Your statement makes it clear you know nothing about golf architecture.

[Kris Shreiner]

Anthony,
#14 at PB is a great hole! I rate it as one of the best inland 5's anywhere, though the green needs to be reclaimed some to add better pinnable areas.  #6 is down then up.

Cheers,
Kris

[Sean Leary]

David M,

9 is harder for me than 8, and might as well play uphill. I have like 3 pars there in 50 rounds. Destroys me.

[Sven Nilsen]

The Down Under edition:

RMW - 5, 7, 10
St. Andrew's Beach - 2, 10 (you could add a few more here)
Barnbougle Dunes - 4, 6, 8, 10 (argument that the elevated tees on 4, 6, and negate a bit of the uphill)
Lost Farm - 3, 17 (not the best holes on the course, but both are fun to play)