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Anthony Gray

"THere is no such thing as a great uphill hole in all of golf"
« on: March 21, 2012, 11:25:32 AM »

  Johny Miller. Is he correct? What are some?

  Anthony

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Kalen Braley

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Re: "THere is no such thing as a great uphill hole in all of golf"
« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2012, 11:27:31 AM »
Has Johnny never played Augusta?

#8 has always looked to be a fantastic hole to me.
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Jud_T

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Re: "THere is no such thing as a great uphill hole in all of golf"
« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2012, 11:28:47 AM »
Kingsley #13
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Mark Saltzman

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Re: "THere is no such thing as a great uphill hole in all of golf"
« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2012, 11:30:41 AM »
18 at Riviera
11 at Shinnecock
13 and 15 at Sand Hills

It's just a stupid statement.
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Jim Briggs

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Re: "THere is no such thing as a great uphill hole in all of golf"
« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2012, 11:31:57 AM »
15 at Bethpage Black?
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PCCraig

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Re: "THere is no such thing as a great uphill hole in all of golf"
« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2012, 11:32:06 AM »
Um, yeah..."Johny Miller" is wrong.
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Anthony Gray

Re: "THere is no such thing as a great uphill hole in all of golf"
« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2012, 11:32:14 AM »

  Is 14 at PB a great hole?

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Mark Pearce

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Re: "THere is no such thing as a great uphill hole in all of golf"
« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2012, 11:33:06 AM »
13 at Muirfield
13 at Silloth

Many others.

Stupid statement.
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George Pazin

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Re: "THere is no such thing as a great uphill hole in all of golf"
« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2012, 11:35:10 AM »
I'm surprised Johnny doesn't remember the many great uphill holes at Oakmont. I guess he thought they were too easy... :)

Isn't the 18th at PV uphill?

Quote from: Anthony Gray on March 21, 2012, 11:32:14 AM

  Is 14 at PB a great hole?



Yes.
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Anthony Gray

Re: "THere is no such thing as a great uphill hole in all of golf"
« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2012, 11:35:19 AM »

  14 at Cruden Bay is the best par 4 in golf.

  Anthony

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Brad LeClair

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Re: "THere is no such thing as a great uphill hole in all of golf"
« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2012, 11:36:48 AM »
Quote from: George Pazin on March 21, 2012, 11:35:10 AM

Isn't the 18th at PV uphill?

Yes.

To the contrary, it is very much downhill.
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Garland Bayley

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Re: "THere is no such thing as a great uphill hole in all of golf"
« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2012, 11:42:41 AM »
6 at PB
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George Pazin

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Re: "THere is no such thing as a great uphill hole in all of golf"
« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2012, 12:11:31 PM »
Quote from: Brad LeClair on March 21, 2012, 11:36:48 AM
Quote from: George Pazin on March 21, 2012, 11:35:10 AM

Isn't the 18th at PV uphill?

Yes.

To the contrary, it is very much downhill.

The tee shot or the approach or both? My recollection of the photos posted on here was a slightly elevated tee shot, then uphill from the fairway up to the green.

Thanks for the help, guess I've been misinterpreting those photos. :)
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Mark Pearce

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Re: "THere is no such thing as a great uphill hole in all of golf"
« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2012, 12:26:25 PM »
Quote from: Anthony Gray on March 21, 2012, 11:35:19 AM

  14 at Cruden Bay is the best par 4 in golf.

  Anthony


No, it isn't.  It's not even the best par 4 at Cruden Bay.  It may, arguably, be the best par 4 in a back 9 short of good par 4s.
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Chris Johnston

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Re: "THere is no such thing as a great uphill hole in all of golf"
« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2012, 12:26:25 PM »
18 at Sand Hills.  12 and 18 at Dismal.
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Greg Tallman

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Re: "THere is no such thing as a great uphill hole in all of golf"
« Reply #15 on: March 21, 2012, 12:32:13 PM »
Quote from: Mark Pearce on March 21, 2012, 12:26:25 PM
Quote from: Anthony Gray on March 21, 2012, 11:35:19 AM

  14 at Cruden Bay is the best par 4 in golf.

  Anthony


No, it isn't.  It's not even the best par 4 at Cruden Bay.  It may, arguably, be the best par 4 in a back 9 short of good par 4s.

Mark, One does not argue with Dr. Gray about Cruden Bay.
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rjsimper

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Re: "THere is no such thing as a great uphill hole in all of golf"
« Reply #16 on: March 21, 2012, 12:42:56 PM »
Quote from: Chris Johnston on March 21, 2012, 12:26:25 PM
18 at Sand Hills.  12 and 18 at Dismal.

I'm sure that Johnny is kicking himself for having forgotten 12 and 18 at Dismal  ;D
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Mark Bourgeois

Re: "THere is no such thing as a great uphill hole in all of golf"
« Reply #17 on: March 21, 2012, 12:47:24 PM »
Quote from: Mark Pearce on March 21, 2012, 12:26:25 PM
Quote from: Anthony Gray on March 21, 2012, 11:35:19 AM

  14 at Cruden Bay is the best par 4 in golf.

  Anthony


No, it isn't.  It's not even the best par 4 at Cruden Bay.  It may, arguably, be the best par 4 in a back 9 short of good par 4s.

+1

Miller is on the record calling PVGC 15 on of the greatest par 5s in golf.

Congrats on getting this far with the trolling, Anthony.
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Re: "THere is no such thing as a great uphill hole in all of golf"
« Reply #18 on: March 21, 2012, 12:52:11 PM »
The 8th at Crystal Downs.  The 8th and 9th (among others) at Prairie Dunes.
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David Kelly

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Re: "THere is no such thing as a great uphill hole in all of golf"
« Reply #19 on: March 21, 2012, 12:59:24 PM »
You guys make the mistake of assuming that Miller thought about that statement for more than a nanosecond before he uttered it.
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Gary Slatter

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Re: "THere is no such thing as a great uphill hole in all of golf"
« Reply #20 on: March 21, 2012, 01:04:08 PM »
In my humble opinion, Johnny is correct.  Most of the holes mentioned are partly uphill, and they work.  Any purely uphill holes that I have played suck (the air out of my lungs).
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Brad Tufts

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Re: "THere is no such thing as a great uphill hole in all of golf"
« Reply #21 on: March 21, 2012, 01:11:22 PM »
Thinking of recent plays, #3 at Forest Creek South is pretty cool.

I will give Johnny some credit, as I would guess that it is more difficult to build a great uphill hole.

I have always found it interesting how architects tackle moving back uphill after a big drop.  Sometimes with switchback holes that use a bit of the uphill each time, and sometimes with a long cart ride or walk.
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Mark McKeever

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Re: "THere is no such thing as a great uphill hole in all of golf"
« Reply #22 on: March 21, 2012, 01:24:00 PM »
Good old Johnny.  15 at Bethpage black is a great hole.  Also, hole 5.

Mark
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Joe Stansell

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Re: "THere is no such thing as a great uphill hole in all of golf"
« Reply #23 on: March 21, 2012, 01:29:24 PM »
Asked another way, are there any uphill holes that would generally be considered the best hole on a particular course? I'm betting not.
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Garland Bayley

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Re: "THere is no such thing as a great uphill hole in all of golf"
« Reply #24 on: March 21, 2012, 01:38:05 PM »
Quote from: Joe Stansell on March 21, 2012, 01:29:24 PM
Asked another way, are there any uphill holes that would generally be considered the best hole on a particular course? I'm betting not.

#16 at Forrest's Hideout might qualify. It is generally listed as one of the two best there.
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