15 Chambers Bay

« **on:** March 19, 2012, 12:42:56 PM »

Because of the elevated tee the green looks further than it plays

A nice drop shot par 3

Very very very very difficult green to read

Anthony

« **Reply #1 on:** March 19, 2012, 02:13:31 PM »

I am glad they saved that tree. I am not generally a tree lover, but this one looks great on the course. I thoroughly enjoyed my round at Chambers Bay.

« **Reply #2 on:** March 19, 2012, 02:24:48 PM »

I think Anthony must have a slimming camera. Either, that or I have one of those fatting? mirrors.

« **Reply #3 on:** March 19, 2012, 02:36:37 PM »

Now I'm sure he has a slimming camera.

« **Reply #4 on:** March 19, 2012, 03:09:02 PM »

The question is...... HOW COULD ANYBODY MISS A BIRDIE PUTT SO BADLY?

You missed that putt 4 cups out on the right....and short going downhill Garland.

« **Reply #5 on:** March 19, 2012, 03:24:16 PM »

This thread is throwing me for a loop.

WHY ARE THERE PICTURES? WHY ISN'T IT JUST A ONE LINE QUESTION?

I haven't played the hole, what are the merits of it and how does it differentiate itself from the other dropshot #9?

« **Reply #6 on:** March 19, 2012, 03:34:37 PM »

Quote from: Alex Miller on March 19, 2012, 03:24:16 PM

This thread is throwing me for a loop.

WHY ARE THERE PICTURES? WHY ISN'T IT JUST A ONE LINE QUESTION?

I haven't played the hole, what are the merits of it and how does it differentiate itself from the other dropshot #9?

Alex can't you tell the green is more difficult to putt? Look at all that break. Isn't it obvious that the wind comes into play less because of the tree?

« **Reply #7 on:** March 19, 2012, 03:50:20 PM »

Alex,

Define drop shot.
#9 is a severe drop.
#15 is not.
If drop shot is on holes with severe drops, then 9 is and 15 isn't.
15 has some of the characteristics of a short.

« **Reply #8 on:** March 19, 2012, 04:46:22 PM »

As you can tell by Garland's downhill putt that was left short that green is lightning. For the US Open if the wind gets up the green may be unplayable.

Anthony

« **Reply #9 on:** March 19, 2012, 05:09:12 PM »

Thanks, I was just curious since perhaps the angle of this photo makes the drops (or at least angles of decent) comparable.

This looks like a really neat hole. Is it a better one than #9? From photo tours I've seen it appears that way.

« **Reply #10 on:** March 19, 2012, 05:31:52 PM »

Alex,

As between hole #9 and hole #15, I prefer the latter. It fits my eye better. But I don't find it to be as challenging. Hole 9 requires an extreme drop shot generally directly into a one- or two-club wind, meaning I find myself struggling with club selection. Plus, on hole 9, the green slants severely from the left, meaning that a ball hit too far left runs too far to the right, while a ball hit too far to the right often lands in a bunker with a really difficult recovery. Hole #15 just isn't as challenging -- at least for my game.

For one shotters, I actually prefer hole #3, which plays like a "Redan." I love hitting the right side and watching the ball run to a lower left pin. I also think hole #17 (the last one-shotter) sets up for a strong challenge, if played from the lower tee. If played from the upper tee, its a "drop shot" all over again.

« **Reply #11 on:** March 19, 2012, 05:48:52 PM »

The hardest walk on the course for old man knees is #9 tee to #9 green. However, it is my favorite par 3. I have never understood why people will say a hole is great, because you have to struggle with club selection in the wind, but will say a drop shot par 3 is bad, because you have to struggle with club selection.

But then again, I am a logician.

« **Reply #12 on:** March 19, 2012, 06:13:41 PM »

Garland,

I agree with you. I have no problems with drop shots as a general rule. I have very fond memories of number 6 at Torrey Pines North, back in the day. I also like playing number 6 at the Coeur d'Alene Resort Course.

My biggest issue with no. 9 at Chambers Bay is that it just doesn't seem to "fit in" with the place. That said, I still enjoy the challenge of it. Other than the walk downhill, which is, as you said, a big pain in the !**ss.

« **Reply #13 on:** March 19, 2012, 06:15:29 PM »

Quote from: Garland Bayley on March 19, 2012, 05:48:52 PM

The hardest walk on the course for old man knees is #9 tee to #9 green. However, it is my favorite par 3. I have never understood why people will say a hole is great, because you have to struggle with club selection in the wind, but will say a drop shot par 3 is bad, because you have to struggle with club selection.

But then again, I am a logician.

It's bad because it doesn't fit the rest of the course. It would be a fine hole on a Colorado mountain cartball course..

« **Reply #14 on:** March 19, 2012, 06:38:12 PM »

OK, I got them on the logic part. Now they're singing a "fit in" tune.

Let see. #5 and #14 are big drop shot tee shots. So how does the drop shot tee shot on #9 not fit in?

« **Reply #15 on:** March 19, 2012, 06:39:53 PM »

Yea....I couldn't agree more.

Both 8 and 9 are easily the weak link of that course, and the worst two holes on the entire course. I like 3, 15, and 17 far more than #9.

As has been stated before, they should trundle #8 back down off the bench as a shortish par 4, and then play to 9 green from down below.

« **Reply #16 on:** March 19, 2012, 06:42:51 PM »

#8 is the hole that doesn't "fit in". That does not preclude #9 from fitting in.

« **Reply #17 on:** March 19, 2012, 08:11:10 PM »

Quote from: Kalen Braley on March 19, 2012, 06:39:53 PM

Yea....I couldn't agree more.

Both 8 and 9 are easily the weak link of that course, and the worst two holes on the entire course. I like 3, 15, and 17 far more than #9.

As has been stated before, they should trundle #8 back down off the bench as a shortish par 4, and then play to 9 green from down below.

I like 8 and 9. Both holes are quirky in their simplicity . 9 punishes the miss more than 15. It fits in my mind.

Anthony

« **Reply #18 on:** March 19, 2012, 09:38:40 PM »

Quote from: Anthony Gray on March 19, 2012, 04:46:22 PM

As you can tell by Garland's downhill putt that was left short that green is lightning. For the US Open if the wind gets up the green may be unplayable.

Anthony

Being a Seattle-ite, I can tell all of you that the wind never blows in June.

« **Reply #19 on:** March 19, 2012, 09:41:40 PM »

Quote from: Kalen Braley on March 19, 2012, 06:39:53 PM

Yea....I couldn't agree more.

Both 8 and 9 are easily the weak link of that course, and the worst two holes on the entire course. I like 3, 15, and 17 far more than #9.

As has been stated before, they should trundle #8 back down off the bench as a shortish par 4, and then play to 9 green from down below.

I was thinking they could have 8 play as a short drop shot down to where the old driving range is and play to near the chipping area. Then 9 would play from the bottom where the new tee is to be located anyway. It solves many complaints people have.

« **Reply #20 on:** March 19, 2012, 09:51:58 PM »

8 is out of character with the course, because it is flat (even and smooth) and narrow. They should widen it by making a narrow strip of short grass at the current level (1/2 the width currently), make a lower fairway by stepping down some to a playable area the width of the current fairway, with bunkering in the slope between the two. Heck make a section of the lower fairway have a chasm. Perhaps think an uphill 14th without the dogleg. Then it will be in character.

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