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Tim Martin

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Re: Best Golf Courses By Architect
« Reply #50 on: November 20, 2011, 04:53:44 PM »
Mark:

Sharon is an all male stag club that has no tee times and no events (Spring day, Club Championship and Fall Day).  Was designed to be a course that you can show up, play golf and have a drink afterwards - that's it.  No breakfast.  Lunch is a buffet with basics.  Dinner only on Wednesdays and it is a buffet with a cook your own filet, ny strip or salmon.  The course is good, but will never make your top 10 in the state of Ohio (although the par 3's on the back nine are my personal favorite on any 9 in Ohio).   Property is gorgeous - as pretty as any in Ohio.   Best part of the club are the people and the pace of play.  I regularly play 18 on Friday or Saturday afternoons when the course is empty in 2 hours.

Good story to illustrate the club - a guest came into the pro shop after shooting 33 on the front nine asking what the course record was.  The guy that financed and built the club overheard his question and said "1 hour and 35 minutes and you just took longer than that to play nine holes so I suggest you get on the 10th tee."
 


Mike- Sharon sounds awesome. George Cobb has quite a few designs to his credit although I`m only familiar with a handful. Your opening paragraph sold me. Sounds like a heck of a club.

Melvyn Morrow

Re: Best Golf Courses By Architect
« Reply #51 on: November 20, 2011, 05:45:51 PM »


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Mac Plumart

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Re: Best Golf Courses By Architect
« Reply #52 on: November 20, 2011, 05:50:45 PM »
Mark:

Sharon is an all male stag club that has no tee times and no events (Spring day, Club Championship and Fall Day).  Was designed to be a course that you can show up, play golf and have a drink afterwards - that's it.  No breakfast.  Lunch is a buffet with basics.  Dinner only on Wednesdays and it is a buffet with a cook your own filet, ny strip or salmon.  The course is good, but will never make your top 10 in the state of Ohio (although the par 3's on the back nine are my personal favorite on any 9 in Ohio).   Property is gorgeous - as pretty as any in Ohio.   Best part of the club are the people and the pace of play.  I regularly play 18 on Friday or Saturday afternoons when the course is empty in 2 hours.

Good story to illustrate the club - a guest came into the pro shop after shooting 33 on the front nine asking what the course record was.  The guy that financed and built the club overheard his question and said "1 hour and 35 minutes and you just took longer than that to play nine holes so I suggest you get on the 10th tee."
 


Mike- Sharon sounds awesome. George Cobb has quite a few designs to his credit although I`m only familiar with a handful. Your opening paragraph sold me. Sounds like a heck of a club.

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Ian Andrew

Re: Best Golf Courses By Architect
« Reply #53 on: November 20, 2011, 06:09:48 PM »
Actually I don't like a number of my choices in hindsight.

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Michael George

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Re: Best Golf Courses By Architect
« Reply #54 on: November 20, 2011, 06:52:21 PM »
Ian:  Interesting choices, especially since you have an extensive course resume.

Would you mind explaining:

Mackenzie - Royal Melbourne over Cypress Point?
Ross - Essex County over Pinehurst #2 and Seminole?
Fowler - Dellemere Forrest over Walton Heath?
Coore - Friar's Head over Sand Hills?

Obviously, your choices are solid, but wondering why you bucked the trend on these ones.




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Ed Homsey

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Re: Best Golf Courses By Architect
« Reply #55 on: November 20, 2011, 08:47:08 PM »
Among thos course attributed to RTJ that I have played, I would rank both of the Grand National courses in Alabama as the test.  Wonderful course.  But, there are so many RTJ courses I have not played, who am I to say.

Ross.  Of his Pinehurst courses, I've played just Southern Pines, Pine Needles, and Mid=Pines.  I'd rand those:  Mid-Pines, Southern Pines, and Pine Needles.  I find it hard to rank Oak Hill East as a Ross course.  At this point, I think it is more Fazio than Ross.  On the other hand, Oak Hill West is one of the best Ross courses I have walked, but not played.  CC of Buffalo is a terrific course, and Teugaga CC is at the top as an unadulterated Ross course.

For me, it is very difficult to rank Travis courses.  I enjoy each.  I played Westchester West under the most trying condiitons---heavy rain, wind steady at 30 mph, temp 35.  Left with the impression that it is one of the great Travis courses.  Travis courses that do not get the recognition they deserve include:  North Jersey CC, CC of Scranton, CC of Troy, and Lookout Point CC.  Hollywood GC has been mentioned and I would agree that it has one of the best 18-hole collections of Travis green sites--but the routing of the course is not a Travis original.  Cherry Hill Club, over in southern Ontario represents a great example of Travis routing and green site. 

Tim Martin

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Re: Best Golf Courses By Architect
« Reply #56 on: November 20, 2011, 10:25:02 PM »
Among thos course attributed to RTJ that I have played, I would rank both of the Grand National courses in Alabama as the test.  Wonderful course.  But, there are so many RTJ courses I have not played, who am I to say.

Ross.  Of his Pinehurst courses, I've played just Southern Pines, Pine Needles, and Mid=Pines.  I'd rand those:  Mid-Pines, Southern Pines, and Pine Needles.  I find it hard to rank Oak Hill East as a Ross course.  At this point, I think it is more Fazio than Ross.  On the other hand, Oak Hill West is one of the best Ross courses I have walked, but not played.  CC of Buffalo is a terrific course, and Teugaga CC is at the top as an unadulterated Ross course.

For me, it is very difficult to rank Travis courses.  I enjoy each.  I played Westchester West under the most trying condiitons---heavy rain, wind steady at 30 mph, temp 35.  Left with the impression that it is one of the great Travis courses.  Travis courses that do not get the recognition they deserve include:  North Jersey CC, CC of Scranton, CC of Troy, and Lookout Point CC.  Hollywood GC has been mentioned and I would agree that it has one of the best 18-hole collections of Travis green sites--but the routing of the course is not a Travis original.  Cherry Hill Club, over in southern Ontario represents a great example of Travis routing and green site. 

Ed-Absolutely agree with you on the quality of Westchester West. Travis was blessed with a super piece of land of which he took full advantage. Although not as tough but no less fun is the South course. I don`t think it gets it`s due as a really fine 36 holes of golf. I have a friend who came up with a composite of the two courses which was awesome although I no longer remember the routing. I will try to get it from him and post it at a later date.

Niall Hay

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Re: Best Golf Courses By Architect
« Reply #57 on: March 14, 2012, 09:32:05 AM »


Lastly, if you were doing a Pinehurst trip, give me your long weekend of golf.

I see in your list a glaring hole of Ohio golf.  Let me know if you ever want to correct that. 

3) Franklin Hills is exceptional.  It is overshadowed by Oakland Hills, but given the option I'd play FH 8-2 in 10 rounds (and I am a much bigger fan of OH than most on this site -- my favorite set of greens, ever).  Ground for golf? Hell yeah! The land is perfect.  Constant elevation changes, but they are over gentle rolls rather than severe slopes.  The par 3s as a set are among the best I've played.  Again, not a single weak hole.  The opener is among the very best I have ever played (and a serious ball-buster).  The 13th is one of my favorite sub-300 yard holes.  No hazards but I bet there are way more 6s than 3s.  And I have played #2 post-renovation -- it wouldn't have made my top-5 Ross courses before that.

7) Ohio Golf - I would absolutely love to play some Ohio golf, the only course I've played in the state is Inverness.  Hopefully we can find a time next year.

No weak holes at Franklin? What about # 2 (tee shot, the green)? Or some of the Par 5's?

Agreed on Ohio golf. Very under the radar on a national scene. Great variety and depth.

Niall Hay

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Re: Best Golf Courses By Architect
« Reply #58 on: March 14, 2012, 09:57:32 AM »
Mark:

Good story to illustrate the club - a guest came into the pro shop after shooting 33 on the front nine asking what the course record was.  The guy that financed and built the club overheard his question and said "1 hour and 35 minutes and you just took longer than that to play nine holes so I suggest you get on the 10th tee."
 


That is a great story. Sharon sounds like a great club.

Niall Hay

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Re: Best Golf Courses By Architect
« Reply #59 on: March 14, 2012, 10:08:28 AM »

Tom Doak (8)

Then again, I wouldn't agree with your top choices for Nicklaus or Fazio or Dye , either, Mark.

Tom, Any chance you share your top choices for Nicklaus or Fazio or Dye? Muirfield Village, The Golf Club or double bonus Harbor Town hybrid?  No idea on Fazio. Shadow Creek?

BCrosby

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Re: Best Golf Courses By Architect
« Reply #60 on: March 14, 2012, 10:32:17 AM »
I'm not sure Park - Sunningdale Old makes sense. Soon after it was built Colt did a major redo. My understanding is that the details of Park's original course, for the brief time it existed, are shrouded somewhat in mystery.

Bob

 

Sean_A

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Re: Best Golf Courses By Architect
« Reply #61 on: March 14, 2012, 12:05:59 PM »
Sunny Old is hard to call - probably best to call that a Park Jr/Colt course. 

Braid: Best is St Enodoc and that is my favourite

Dr Mac: Tough call, but if Lahinch is still considered a Mac course I think that is the best and favourite I have seen

Colt: A very tough call, but I am going with St Georges Hill as the best, but my favourite is Portrush Valley Links

Fowler: Best is Saunton East, but my favourite is Beau Desert

Simpson: If folks consider Ballybunion a Simpson this is the no-brainer best and probably my favourite

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