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Dean DiBerardino

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Re: Architects that owned a golf course?
« Reply #25 on: March 13, 2012, 08:11:10 PM »
Didn't Dan Maples own The Pit?

Also, Jeff Osterfeld designed and owns Stonelick Hills near Cincinnati. Stonelick is on the Golfweek "Best In State" list for Ohio.
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Mike_Trenham

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Re: Architects that owned a golf course?
« Reply #26 on: March 13, 2012, 10:02:49 PM »
George Fazio was a co-owner of Jupiter Hills and Kimberton too I believe.
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Steve_ Shaffer

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Re: Architects that owned a golf course?
« Reply #27 on: March 13, 2012, 10:08:15 PM »
I'm not sure but George Fazio may have owned Westover GC, near Norristown, PA. It was one of his earlier designs.
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Sean Remington (SBR)

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Re: Architects that owned a golf course?
« Reply #28 on: March 14, 2012, 08:55:43 AM »
   More specifically.  What architects of Flynn's ear owned a golf cousre?

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Adrian_Stiff

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Re: Architects that owned a golf course?
« Reply #29 on: March 14, 2012, 09:12:28 AM »
Im not a 100% owner as I have partners, but I have been involved in ownership of 4 courses. It certainly helps understanding the economics of how tihings work relative to architecture, but anyone that sees some of my posts will see my continous 'minory opinion references'. Whilst I like most of the same things we do on here, very often if you are running a golf course they are EXACTLY how not to do it.
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Tim Nugent

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Re: Architects that owned a golf course?
« Reply #30 on: March 14, 2012, 09:39:41 AM »
Quote from: Adrian_Stiff on March 14, 2012, 09:12:28 AM
Im not a 100% owner as I have partners, but I have been involved in ownership of 4 courses. It certainly helps understanding the economics of how tihings work relative to architecture, but anyone that sees some of my posts will see my continous 'minory opinion references'. Whilst I like most of the same things we do on here, very often if you are running a golf course they are EXACTLY how not to do it.

Spot On.  Having had a managing interest for 15 yrs, if other architects with simular experience are anything like me, they have a much keener take on not only how architecture impacts maintenance expenses but also what the cost/benefit ratio is to certain design aspects.  Often I read on here that "that" or "that" is "cool"or "fun" and can only think "boy, glad I don't have to pay to maintain that!".  It also helps when you have a greater affinity as to what expectations vs realities are pertaining to the Super, his budget, staff size and equipment on hand.  One of the 1st things I do when consulting at a club is to visit the maintenance barn and inventory the rolling stock. (The other is to get the irrigation and drainage as-builts.)

Another aspect is getting constant feedback on the course from the players. It's an eyeopener when you play your course with people who don't know who you are or have the time to just observe players and how the course impacts them.  Also, you learn better as to what players care about and what they are oblivious to.
 
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