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Anthony Gray

Cap Cana/Punta Espada or Casa de Campo/Teeth of the Dog
« on: March 05, 2012, 04:21:07 PM »


  Out of 10 plays what would you choose? I'm going 7-3 Teeth because of the par 3s.

  Anthony


Jason Thurman

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Re: Cap Cana/Punta Espada or Casa de Campo/Teeth of the Dog
« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2016, 04:48:14 PM »
Surprised this thread received no replies, although I suspect it has more to do with the remoteness of the Dominican Republic than a lack of merit. Let's run it back.


I played both courses last week. Teeth of the Dog was incredible, and Punta Espada was stunning. Both make my top 10 personally.




Teeth of the Dog

The tiny but terrifying 5th. That's my brother-in-law with his ass sticking out on the tee.





The mid-length par 4 6th.





7 is another gorgeous par 3 across a rocky cove, this time a short-to-mid iron to a wide green with plenty of slope and surrounding trouble.





I think 8 is the toughest hole on the course. Not pictured here is the gigantic toilet-bowl swale on the back right of the green that's about 10 feet deep and 30 feet in diameter. Not a place you want to end up.





The final stretch of seaside golf starts with the short and sporty 15th, which plays across a rocky ledge jutting out into the Caribbean.





One last tremendous par 3 at the 16th.





The 17th is one stout final seaside test (especially for my father-in-law who just took up the game a year or so ago, but he stuck an approach to 10 feet from 150 for a chance to save his par).





Punta Espada

The staggering view from the second tee sets the stage for what's to come, as this par 5 plays out toward the sea and rewards a player who challenges the inside bunker with a chance to reach in two. The water on the right up ahead is one of the tidal pools that form several of the course's inland hazards.





Greenside at 2.





Hole 3 is a fairly short par 4 that plays along fairly flat coastal ground.





The short 4th is a beautiful par 3 across another tidal cove. My caddie stopped me after my tee shot to watch the birds hovering in the cove as they dive-bombed deep underwater for fish.





Among Punta Espada's tremendous set of par 5s, the approach to 12 plays to an infinity green perched on a ledge above the sea.





13, then plays from cliff to cliff over another rocky cove with waves crashing all around. This tee plays from 250(!) yards to the green on the cliff in the distance. I played it from a little closer...





Reminiscent of 15 at Teeth of the Dog, 17 at Punta Espada plays as a cape tee shot across the craggy shoreline. It's a shortish par 4 (driveable for big hitters even), but into the wind it was still a hard 3 wood followed by a 6 iron on my play.





Looking back 18.





I loved both courses, and I'd go with a 6-4 split in favor of Teeth of the Dog. Punta Espada is the most beautiful place I've ever played golf, but Teeth wins on pure golfing interest. There's never a dull golf shot on Teeth of the Dog, even if some of the views aren't panoramic ocean spectacles. There's never a moment at Punta Espada that isn't beautiful, but there are a few holes that are a little less exciting in terms of pure golf strategy. You wouldn't be crazy if you preferred Punta Espada, though.
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Keith Phillips

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Re: Cap Cana/Punta Espada or Casa de Campo/Teeth of the Dog
« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2016, 04:58:21 PM »
 :(  those pictures make me regret my decision to play only La Cana and Corales when I was in Punta Cana last year - enjoyed both, but I clearly need to go back to DR!

Jason Thurman

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Re: Cap Cana/Punta Espada or Casa de Campo/Teeth of the Dog
« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2016, 05:08:30 PM »
Yeah, I preferred both Teeth of the Dog and Punta Espada to Corales by a fairly wide margin. You definitely should go back and check those two out. La Cana looked sweet and I just couldn't find time to do it, but it'll be all good once I talk my wife into buying a winter home down there in 30 years and get a chance to visit the ones I missed.
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MClutterbuck

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Re: Cap Cana/Punta Espada or Casa de Campo/Teeth of the Dog
« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2016, 05:26:47 PM »
Thanks Jason, I asked this same question to 2 friends a few weeks ago since I will be in Punta Cana with the kids in July. I will give myself one golf outing away from them only. Both friends refused to answer and believe I am an idiot if I dont play both. I was therefore going to decide based on the Confidential Guide and you have reinforced this.

Mark Saltzman

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Re: Cap Cana/Punta Espada or Casa de Campo/Teeth of the Dog
« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2016, 06:11:04 PM »
Thanks Jason, I asked this same question to 2 friends a few weeks ago since I will be in Punta Cana with the kids in July. I will give myself one golf outing away from them only. Both friends refused to answer and believe I am an idiot if I dont play both. I was therefore going to decide based on the Confidential Guide and you have reinforced this.

I'd say he more reinforced what your friends are saying (and I agree with them).

MClutterbuck

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Re: Cap Cana/Punta Espada or Casa de Campo/Teeth of the Dog
« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2016, 06:20:07 PM »
Thanks Jason, I asked this same question to 2 friends a few weeks ago since I will be in Punta Cana with the kids in July. I will give myself one golf outing away from them only. Both friends refused to answer and believe I am an idiot if I dont play both. I was therefore going to decide based on the Confidential Guide and you have reinforced this.

I'd say he more reinforced what your friends are saying (and I agree with them).


+1 For sure an idiot, but trying to be a good father. They will not travel with me all that much more as they get into their late teens.

Greg Tallman

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Re: Cap Cana/Punta Espada or Casa de Campo/Teeth of the Dog
« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2016, 06:23:28 PM »
One play - Teeth of the Dog
10 plays - 5 TOTD, 3 Punta Espada, 2 Corales

Keith Phillips

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Re: Cap Cana/Punta Espada or Casa de Campo/Teeth of the Dog
« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2016, 06:58:36 PM »
I will say La Cana was a fun course - wide fairways with a lot of character and some good ocean eye candy - not world-class but very good, and also (a) very convenient if staying in Punta Cana and trying to maximize time with family and (b) very affordable relative to Corales or Punta Espada.

Greg Clark

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Re: Cap Cana/Punta Espada or Casa de Campo/Teeth of the Dog
« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2016, 07:06:24 PM »
Teeth of the Dog - 6
Punta Espada - 3
Playa Grande - 1

Buck Wolter

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Re: Cap Cana/Punta Espada or Casa de Campo/Teeth of the Dog
« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2016, 07:35:39 PM »
Thanks Jason, I asked this same question to 2 friends a few weeks ago since I will be in Punta Cana with the kids in July. I will give myself one golf outing away from them only. Both friends refused to answer and believe I am an idiot if I dont play both. I was therefore going to decide based on the Confidential Guide and you have reinforced this.

I'd say he more reinforced what your friends are saying (and I agree with them).


+1 For sure an idiot, but trying to be a good father. They will not travel with me all that much more as they get into their late teens.

I took my 13 YO with me to PE in March --$100 junior rate was barely more than the mandatory cart fee at our all-inclusive. I never figured out how to make TotD work from Punta Cana without a car -- plus didn't want to do a full day trip.
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Jason Thurman

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Re: Cap Cana/Punta Espada or Casa de Campo/Teeth of the Dog
« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2016, 09:36:44 PM »
Marcos, I'd definitely choose Teeth of the Dog for a single play. However, there may be another option you haven't considered...


When I was at Corales, Teeth of the Dog, and Punta Espada last week, none of them were remotely crowded. I played Corales in 1:40 as a single with a caddie, and Punta Espada in about 2 hours flat. If you're staying in Punta Cana, your transport to each of those courses will be very flexible about pickup times. The course will simply call your shuttle whenever you finish, and you'll likely be picked up within 15 minutes of finishing your round at most based on my experience. I played Teeth of the Dog with two very high handicappers (translation: very slow players) and we only saw two groups all day - a single who played through us and a twosome that was content to stay behind us for the final three holes. This was during the high season - my understanding is that July is likely to be much quieter.


If you'll be playing alone, you can get an early morning tee time at Punta Espada and be back at your hotel by 9:30 or 10, before the day has even begun. Teeth of the Dog is only 45 minutes from Punta Cana at most - an early morning time there could very conservatively have you back by noon, and probably quite a bit sooner. Just make sure you eat breakfast before you arrive, as getting food at Casa de Campo for a non-resort guest prior to noon is damn near impossible.


Point being, neither course has to take a full day or anything close to it. I basically only missed lunch the days I was gone at Corales and Punta Espada, and missing lunch at the resort I stayed at wasn't exactly a tragedy...
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Tyler Kearns

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Re: Cap Cana/Punta Espada or Casa de Campo/Teeth of the Dog
« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2016, 01:55:06 AM »
I will say La Cana was a fun course - wide fairways with a lot of character and some good ocean eye candy - not world-class but very good, and also (a) very convenient if staying in Punta Cana and trying to maximize time with family and (b) very affordable relative to Corales or Punta Espada.


Keith,


I agree, La Cana is a nice golf course and I certainly don't regret playing there when I travelled to DR in March.  I played both ocean nines which was a nice way to maximize the oceanside scenery.  I dropped a pretty penny to play Teeth of the Dog, which I do not regret, but that eliminated the chance to play either Corales or Punta Espada.  Considering the amount of play noted by Jason in previous posts, I struggle to see how these two new courses can be sustainable long-term at $395 per round.


TK 

PThomas

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Re: Cap Cana/Punta Espada or Casa de Campo/Teeth of the Dog
« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2016, 11:03:29 AM »
I played Teeth and Cap Cana when I visited last fall...didn't expect the latter to be so good!

I'd go teeth 6, CC 4, maybe even 5-5......Corales surely sounds like its worth a visit as well...a new Doak course being built there too...I cant wait to get back, esp since its so much closer than hawaii
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Criss Titschinger

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Re: Cap Cana/Punta Espada or Casa de Campo/Teeth of the Dog
« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2016, 12:24:52 PM »
I'm posing this to those who have been fortunate to visit both places...

Let's say I'm planning a trip. The Mrs. MUST have a beach that is very close (quick walking distance). Does that throw Casa de Campo out? I see they have a private beach, but it doesn't look very convenient to get to.

If my assumption is correct, and I have to throw out Teeth, my choices are down to Punta Espada or Cabo del Sol Ocean. Assuming you haven't played either and only get one shot: which one do you pick? I'm leaning Cabo Ocean, but looking for other opinions.

Teeth would my first choice of these three, but I'm afraid it gets disqualified. I've done the back/forth transportation before on a trip with this Mrs. (Daufuskie Island - Melrose) and it didn't work out well for either of us. Golf must be within 5-10 minutes of resort.
« Last Edit: April 28, 2016, 12:28:48 PM by Criss Titschinger »

Greg Tallman

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Re: Cap Cana/Punta Espada or Casa de Campo/Teeth of the Dog
« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2016, 12:32:35 PM »
Well. I believe CDS Ocean is the best of the 3 but considering it is perhaps 3000 miles from any Punta Cana resort I think it would be disqualified.  ;)
« Last Edit: April 28, 2016, 12:36:59 PM by Greg Tallman »

Criss Titschinger

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Re: Cap Cana/Punta Espada or Casa de Campo/Teeth of the Dog
« Reply #16 on: April 28, 2016, 12:47:27 PM »
Well. I believe CDS Ocean is the best of the 3 but considering it is perhaps 3000 miles from any Punta Cana resort I think it would be disqualified.  ;)


I did thread jack a bit, but you answered my question.


Back to the thread on hand, based on what I've seen: One round: Teeth. 10 rounds: 6 Teeth, 4 PE.

Carl Nichols

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Re: Cap Cana/Punta Espada or Casa de Campo/Teeth of the Dog
« Reply #17 on: April 28, 2016, 12:54:06 PM »
Criss--
For golf to be within 5-10 minutes of where you're staying, to play PE, I think you'd have to stay in Cap Cana itself.  Several of the resorts within the Cap Cana complex are amazing and have great beaches, while others are certainly less so.  If you could stay near and have access to the Caleton Beach Club, which is right in the middle of PE, that would be the best and closest beach setup to the three courses I can think of. 

Tom_Doak

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Re: Cap Cana/Punta Espada or Casa de Campo/Teeth of the Dog
« Reply #18 on: April 28, 2016, 12:57:59 PM »
Considering the amount of play noted by Jason in previous posts, I struggle to see how these two new courses can be sustainable long-term at $395 per round.



All of the capital cost of building those courses was paid for by real estate sales, with plenty of $ left over.  They just have to take in enough in green fees to pay a superintendent, pay for their water supply, and pay 20-30 Dominican laborers [which is probably less than the water supply].  If they're doing even 5,000 rounds at $400 per, that should do the trick.  They'd probably have more trouble getting 10,000 rounds at $200, and it wouldn't be as "exclusive".

Carl Nichols

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Re: Cap Cana/Punta Espada or Casa de Campo/Teeth of the Dog
« Reply #19 on: April 28, 2016, 01:09:54 PM »
Marcos, I'd definitely choose Teeth of the Dog for a single play. However, there may be another option you haven't considered...


When I was at Corales, Teeth of the Dog, and Punta Espada last week, none of them were remotely crowded. I played Corales in 1:40 as a single with a caddie, and Punta Espada in about 2 hours flat. If you're staying in Punta Cana, your transport to each of those courses will be very flexible about pickup times. The course will simply call your shuttle whenever you finish, and you'll likely be picked up within 15 minutes of finishing your round at most based on my experience. I played Teeth of the Dog with two very high handicappers (translation: very slow players) and we only saw two groups all day - a single who played through us and a twosome that was content to stay behind us for the final three holes. This was during the high season - my understanding is that July is likely to be much quieter.


If you'll be playing alone, you can get an early morning tee time at Punta Espada and be back at your hotel by 9:30 or 10, before the day has even begun. Teeth of the Dog is only 45 minutes from Punta Cana at most - an early morning time there could very conservatively have you back by noon, and probably quite a bit sooner. Just make sure you eat breakfast before you arrive, as getting food at Casa de Campo for a non-resort guest prior to noon is damn near impossible.


Point being, neither course has to take a full day or anything close to it. I basically only missed lunch the days I was gone at Corales and Punta Espada, and missing lunch at the resort I stayed at wasn't exactly a tragedy...


That's what I did at Punta Espada--they let me go off first two days, and I was basically back to our place before my family had really gotten going, and certainly well before lunch.  But unlike what Jason saw, it looked to me like they were going to be pretty busy both days.  Granted, this was between Christmas and New Year's (a couple of years ago), but they looked reasonably busy.[size=78%]    [/size]

MClutterbuck

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Re: Cap Cana/Punta Espada or Casa de Campo/Teeth of the Dog
« Reply #20 on: April 28, 2016, 02:22:11 PM »
Marcos, I'd definitely choose Teeth of the Dog for a single play. However, there may be another option you haven't considered...


When I was at Corales, Teeth of the Dog, and Punta Espada last week, none of them were remotely crowded. I played Corales in 1:40 as a single with a caddie, and Punta Espada in about 2 hours flat. If you're staying in Punta Cana, your transport to each of those courses will be very flexible about pickup times. The course will simply call your shuttle whenever you finish, and you'll likely be picked up within 15 minutes of finishing your round at most based on my experience. I played Teeth of the Dog with two very high handicappers (translation: very slow players) and we only saw two groups all day - a single who played through us and a twosome that was content to stay behind us for the final three holes. This was during the high season - my understanding is that July is likely to be much quieter.


If you'll be playing alone, you can get an early morning tee time at Punta Espada and be back at your hotel by 9:30 or 10, before the day has even begun. Teeth of the Dog is only 45 minutes from Punta Cana at most - an early morning time there could very conservatively have you back by noon, and probably quite a bit sooner. Just make sure you eat breakfast before you arrive, as getting food at Casa de Campo for a non-resort guest prior to noon is damn near impossible.


Point being, neither course has to take a full day or anything close to it. I basically only missed lunch the days I was gone at Corales and Punta Espada, and missing lunch at the resort I stayed at wasn't exactly a tragedy...


Thanks Jason! Starting to try to convince me internally to try this!

MClutterbuck

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Re: Cap Cana/Punta Espada or Casa de Campo/Teeth of the Dog
« Reply #21 on: July 29, 2016, 11:42:33 AM »
My brother had a car. It took us 50 minutes on a great highway to reach Casa de Campo. The DR is a much better driving experience than most of Latin America. We ended up playing only ToD because of the kids. I believe I will be back for a golf only trip and hit the rest of the good courses. I would encourage anyone going to Punta Cana to make the trip to Casa de Campo.


The resort is impressive and the staff great. The head pro Manuel Relancio was great.


ToD is a great course, and I will go back with friends for a golf trip. However, I would certainly not play it again without my own clubs. Unless you have your full set of trusted wedges, you are not going to enjoy your play unless you hit every green. Play from 30 yards around greens makes or breaks your score.


The club rents out Callaways with the widest edge possible on a Sand Wedge. Impossible for me to hit a decent chip or lob shot. Judging speed with a putter from outside was also tough. It was dissapointing to find myself in that situation often and not having the ability to play as I know I can.


Conditions were quite good for the Caribbean. Greens were slow compared to Agrostis, but rolled well. Counters are mild. They were firm and tough to hold with a long iron.


Bunkers were hard packed. In fact, the worst part of the course I believe was the roll balls had in the bunkers. For example, hole 5, which is one of the Signature holes has retaining bunkers on the left side which are supposed to save you from the ocean. However, all balls rolled and ended against the rocks and completely unplayable. I think this is a mistake that can be easily solved with more sand or shaping the hard packed sand so that balls move away from the rock edge and allow a swing.


The other odd design feature is the difference in style from the back tees (grass banks) to the front tees (rock walls), but this is cosmetic only.








Parker Page

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Re: Cap Cana/Punta Espada or Casa de Campo/Teeth of the Dog
« Reply #22 on: July 31, 2016, 12:03:06 AM »
I know this thread is a little on the old side, but I'm new to the discussion board, and I thought I'd chime in that Punta Espada blew me away.  No disrespect to Teeth of the Dog, but with only one play, I would choose Punta Espada and with ten plays, I would favor it at least 6-4.  In my opinion, the par 3's are a push, and Punta Espada's par 5's exceed Teeth of the Dog's by a significant margin.  Add in short, strategic par 4's like numbers 8, 10, and 17, and Punta Espada is the place I'd choose to see again (if I had to choose).
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Jim Tang

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Re: Cap Cana/Punta Espada or Casa de Campo/Teeth of the Dog
« Reply #23 on: August 03, 2016, 09:41:56 AM »
For those who have been, which resort would you recommend when visiting Punta Cana?


Looking for....


Access to a pristine beach
Close proximity to golf courses (Punta Espada and Corales)
All inclusive
Pool, spa and other amenities the girlfriend would enjoy while I'm golfing
Not a foodie, but food should be good


Thanks in advance.

Greg Tallman

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Re: Cap Cana/Punta Espada or Casa de Campo/Teeth of the Dog
« Reply #24 on: August 03, 2016, 11:45:33 AM »
For those who have been, which resort would you recommend when visiting Punta Cana?


Looking for....


Access to a pristine beach
Close proximity to golf courses (Punta Espada and Corales)
All inclusive
Pool, spa and other amenities the girlfriend would enjoy while I'm golfing
Not a foodie, but food should be good


Thanks in advance.

Jim,

The closest in terms of golf would be Westin which has a decent beach but the hotel itslef is a bit sterile for lack of a better term. Dining options are not the best here either. It is only a few minutes from Punta Espada and Corales.

Dreams Palm Beach is close, maybe 10-15 minutes north and likely a better fit for what you are looking for.

Barceló Bavaro Beach is a sprawling resort that offers a ton of dining options, in house casino and is about 20 minutes down to Punta Espada.

You have some relatively high end options at Cap Cana - Sanctuary and Eden Roc.




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