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Michael Whitaker

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Re: Blind Holes – are they the curse of the unthinking Golfer?
« Reply #50 on: March 02, 2012, 08:11:49 PM »
Michael:

Curious as to exactly what hole and course you are referencing?  The same argument has been made regarding the hidden bunker on the 6th at Bandon Trails.  Kevin Pallier recently made a similar comment about the diagonal nature of the coast line on the 8th at Pebble.

For resort courses, I'm of the school that the more homework you do, the more likely you'll enjoy your round.  I'd rather go in knowing about the hidden hazards, rather than rely on visual clues to negotiate my way around.  For example, I probably would not have known how to play the 5th at Lost Farm if I hadn't read about the course on this site.  I'm glad I did, as the drive over the corner of the dune was counter-intuitive the first go around.  To each their own, but sometimes the advance knowledge will save you a few strokes, and probably a few titleists.

Sven,

I am referencing the 8th hole at True Blue in Pawley's Island. The burn caused so many problems with "joy of life" and speed of play that it was filled in years ago. I guess Melvyn would have told the golfers to man-up and enjoy the fact that their ball was lost after what seemed to be a wonderfully chosen line of attack. If the burn had been known then the golfer could have chosen to take that line or not. As a result there was LOTS of frustration and anger at the course and its designer.

Most golfers, especially holiday golfers, are not like you. They are not going to study a course in detail before they play it to learn if there might be some hidden feature that could spoil their round... and, they shouldn't be expected to do so.

As Mac's quote says, golf should enhance the joy of life... especially when one is on holiday.
« Last Edit: March 02, 2012, 08:13:20 PM by Michael Whitaker »
"Solving the paradox of proportionality is the heart of golf architecture."  - Tom Doak (11/20/05)

Sven Nilsen

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Re: Blind Holes – are they the curse of the unthinking Golfer?
« Reply #51 on: March 02, 2012, 09:01:37 PM »
To be clear, you're talking specifically about courses that receive the bulk of their play from first timers.

I guess it comes down to what you're looking for in a course.  I happen to enjoy courses that feel like you're unlocking a puzzle.  Sometimes you get some hints from a caddy, a guide book or just how you imagine the contours might play.  I can appreciate the thought that sometimes you might want the Parade Magazine Crossword as opposed to the New York Times Sunday edition.  But to me a course that doesn't ask you to try to figure out a couple of clues in key spots is completely boring.  Even if I've spent the last three days lying by the pool in full on Daiquiri decompression mode.

However, as may have been the case at True Blue, even if you read all the clues correctly and good shots are punished, I would concede that the first timer might walk away feeling as if they'd been duped.


"As much as we have learned about the history of golf architecture in the last ten plus years, I'm convinced we have only scratched the surface."  A GCA Poster

"There's the golf hole; play it any way you please." Donald Ross

Melvyn Morrow

Re: Blind Holes – are they the curse of the unthinking Golfer?
« Reply #52 on: March 03, 2012, 04:36:49 AM »
Michael

So your argument is based upon the golfer playing the course for the first time. OK let’s look at that.

From the approach to the Tee the ‘Golfer’ should have noticed it’s a blind Hole, if he has failed to do so then one asks the question why is he playing golf in the first place, as he cannot believe his eyes which is so fundamental to the game. Being a thinking game would the golfer not approach the Hole with care and caution or would he react in the modern way of ‘Wham, bam thank you Mam’ and just let fly. A golfer takes into consideration the GCA with the seen and unseen obstacles. Remember some hazards like bunkers only become visible subject to the time of day and light direction upon the course. Caution should be applied and one plan’s one shot accordingly, but clearly your scenario and those of the club mentions seem to reflect golfers acting like bulls in a china shop. A golfer has control, he/she takes to the unknown not with a mighty shot but with caution, they navigate the Hole be it visible or not, shots are pulled when venturing the blind unless your game is to shoot first and answer questions later.

I feel the game is seeping through the hands of many players chasing the dragon of the low score at any cost, alas the games purpose is to navigate the course avoiding all the Natural and Manmade hazards on the way to the pin and to try to use the minimal amounts of strokes while doing so.  The modern aerial game has affected the mind set of modern golfers to look solely to their score instead of the game. This is where the Golfer ‘achieves joy of living’ as Mac quoted.
It’s the rising to the challenge but that does not mean throwing caution to the wind, - clearly thinking when playing golf seems to take second place with some.

Blind Holes are a great teacher, but you have to understand rather than hitting hell out of your ball because it’s a blind shot. Golf is and always has been a thinking game, perhaps some need to kick start this process within their game.

Melvyn
« Last Edit: March 03, 2012, 06:34:07 AM by Melvyn Hunter Morrow »

Michael Whitaker

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Re: Blind Holes – are they the curse of the unthinking Golfer?
« Reply #53 on: March 03, 2012, 09:58:47 AM »
Melvyn,

A golfer cannot think about something that he doesn't know exists. Someone playing a resort course for the first (and probably only) time should not be subjected to a double blind hazzard. You obviously think that ANYTHING placed in the golfers way is acceptable, seen or unseen, on any type of course.  I disagree. To be duped or tricked in the manner I described on a resort course is not good golf or a very sporting situation. It definitely does not enhance one's golfing "joy of life." If we were discussing a member's course then my position might be different. In that scenario one could say "fool me once, shame on you... fool me twice, shame on me." At a resort course most golfers would never have the opportunity to exact revenge or plan a strategy to deal with the hidden hazzard... they would just feel bamboozled. Not a good thing IMHO.
"Solving the paradox of proportionality is the heart of golf architecture."  - Tom Doak (11/20/05)

Tyler Ince

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Re: Blind Holes – are they the curse of the unthinking Golfer?
« Reply #54 on: March 03, 2012, 03:43:42 PM »
Some valid points I see and agree with Sven that it is nice to unlock a puzzle. What I like about blind shots is they make you want to return and play it again, somewhat of a home course advantage you garner from repitition.

Or it gives courses like Prestwick the necessity to have a caddy which again brings more value and history to the entire round rather than trying to figure it out on your own. I will never forget my first sight of "the Sahara" and how happy my 5 iron was 8 feet from the pin when there was the chance it was....well in the Sahara!

So as a marketing guy....If I were a course designer I would want a blind hole or two because executed properly you are giving people the desire to return to the course and play again. Because they were not happy with their first attempt!
'til the Road Hole....

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