[Emile Bonfiglio]

I was watching this video on John Fought commenting on his renov. of The Black Butte Ranch Glaze Meadow course. He mentions that his designs after his 2003 "enlightenment" are far superior to his prior designs. Yet his pre-enlightenment course include Pumpkin Ridge & Crosswater (both top 100 pub courses).

http://www.youtube.com/embed/iQD9wQWSZ1U

I am excited to see his Sundon course when that is done, looks very "minimalist"

[Bill_McBride]

So Bob Cupp did Pumpkin Ridge Witch Hollow and Fought did Ghost Creek?    That's also how they split the two courses at The Reserve in Aloha, Oregon. 

[Jaeger Kovich]

He says he finish shapes everything now, then goes back, and builds the green well to install USGA specs... Thats the longer, more expensive way of doing it... What does an ENLIGHTENED architect like himself do with all his extra soil after he cores everything out? Thats a lot of dirt, time and money x18 that the ENLIGHTENED architect couldn't visualize with his newly ENLIGHTENED skills! I've never seen his work, but sounds like there is (or was circa 2003) a real disconnect between the architecture and construction process.

[Mike_Young]

I like the work John Fought did at Pine Needles.  I don't know much about his other work but have always heard it was good.  As for enlightenment, well, that's one of those Dali Lama words .  It is amazing how many people became "enlightened" once they realized "industry standard" was being questioned.  I wonder if mentors and others also achieved "enlightenment" or did they continue with the "industry standards of pre 2003" as John describes.   

[Mike Nuzzo]

I saw a presentation he gave post enlightenment - circa 2009.
It was about green shapes.
I'm not so sure how enlightened he became or at least was in 2009.
Cheers

[Matthew Schulte]

I am excited to see his Sundon course when that is done, looks very "minimalist"

Emile:

Do you know if construction has started at Sundoon?  I was under the impression that the process was in the hands of the county awaiting approval.

[Emile Bonfiglio]

I am excited to see his Sundon course when that is done, looks very "minimalist"

Emile:

Do you know if construction has started at Sundoon?  I was under the impression that the process was in the hands of the county awaiting approval.

I don't believe it has started as of this point, certainly not during the winter in the Columbia River Gorge.

[Matt MacIver]

Enlightened = learned.  Glad he learned.  Would hate to hire anyone beforehand...unless they're one of those types that is "always" learning.  Damn now I'm confused - again.  More scotch. 

[John Kirk]

So Bob Cupp did Pumpkin Ridge Witch Hollow and Fought did Ghost Creek?    That's also how they split the two courses at The Reserve in Aloha, Oregon. 

Bill,

Those courses are collaborations, done together, with Cupp considered lead designer.

[Bill_McBride]

So Bob Cupp did Pumpkin Ridge Witch Hollow and Fought did Ghost Creek?    That's also how they split the two courses at The Reserve in Aloha, Oregon. 

Bill,

Those courses are collaborations, done together, with Cupp considered lead designer.

All four?

[Pete_Pittock]

So Bob Cupp did Pumpkin Ridge Witch Hollow and Fought did Ghost Creek?    That's also how they split the two courses at The Reserve in Aloha, Oregon. 

Bill,

Those courses are collaborations, done together, with Cupp considered lead designer.

Just Pumpkin Ridge; at Reserve Vineyards, per owner's request Fought did one course, Cupp the other. I believe it was the last project where both names appear together.
All four?

[Mike_Young]

So the way I understand it , he was not enlightened until after he left the tutelage of Bob Cupp.  Is that what he is saying?  
I can tell you this.  I have not been enlightened yet but Donald Ross did come to me in a dream and explained a lot of his basics to me and then the next night I went to a seance and talked to Flynn and McKenzie at the same time.  It changed the way I looked at things.  The seance lady has a 900 number where I can speak to them nightly and sometimes I have them review plans.  I just can't decide if I should mention all of this in my marketing yet.

[Jay Flemma]

So Bob Cupp did Pumpkin Ridge Witch Hollow and Fought did Ghost Creek?    That's also how they split the two courses at The Reserve in Aloha, Oregon. 

Bill,

Those courses are collaborations, done together, with Cupp considered lead designer.

That's what I thought too...

[Pete_Pittock]

Jay,
The South Course at The Reserve Vineyards was done by John Fought, finished in 1997, no collaboration with Bob Cupp. The North Course at The Reserve Vineyards was done by Bob Cupp, finished in 1998, no collaboration with John Fought. It was the last project they worked on before Fought hung out his own shingle. I have been a member atThe Reserve since 1997. Previous to that I was a member at Tualatin CC, where the Fought family also had a membership.

Modified as follows: There was a degree of collaboration on site because they share a common practice area, maintenance facility, grasses, bunker sand, water sources, construction firm, etc, but the routing and architecture were separate after deciding how to divide the property.
Cupp was told to design a course that was 'different' than the other course.

[Bill_McBride]

So the way I understand it , he was not enlightened until after he left the tutelage of Bob Cupp.  Is that what he is saying?  
I can tell you this.  I have not been enlightened yet but Donald Ross did come to me in a dream and explained a lot of his basics to me and then the next night I went to a seance and talked to Flynn and McKenzie at the same time.  It changed the way I looked at things.  The seance lady has a 900 number where I can speak to them nightly and sometimes I have them review plans.  I just can't decide if I should mention all of this in my marketing yet.

Some of those 900 numbers can be expensive.   Just sayin'.

[BCrosby]

So the way I understand it , he was not enlightened until after he left the tutelage of Bob Cupp.  Is that what he is saying?  
I can tell you this.  I have not been enlightened yet but Donald Ross did come to me in a dream and explained a lot of his basics to me and then the next night I went to a seance and talked to Flynn and McKenzie at the same time.  It changed the way I looked at things.  The seance lady has a 900 number where I can speak to them nightly and sometimes I have them review plans.  I just can't decide if I should mention all of this in my marketing yet.

Mike - Brilliant. A better way of saying that you should beware of anyone who claims to be enlightened.

If it ever happens when you are in the  room, walk slowly towards the door....

Bob

[John Kirk]

Sorry, not specific enough.  I was referring to the two Pumpkin Ridge courses.

[Mike_Young]

So the way I understand it , he was not enlightened until after he left the tutelage of Bob Cupp.  Is that what he is saying? 
I can tell you this.  I have not been enlightened yet but Donald Ross did come to me in a dream and explained a lot of his basics to me and then the next night I went to a seance and talked to Flynn and McKenzie at the same time.  It changed the way I looked at things.  The seance lady has a 900 number where I can speak to them nightly and sometimes I have them review plans.  I just can't decide if I should mention all of this in my marketing yet.

Mike - Brilliant. A better way of saying that you should beware of anyone who claims to be enlightened.

If it ever happens when you are in the  room, walk slowly towards the door....

Bob

Yep...enlightened is probably not a good word but I really did enjoy his Pine Needles work.

As for leaving the room and walking slowly towards the door.  The other night I was getting out of the shower and  saw George Thomas naked in the mirror...I tried to get away but every time I moved he would so the same.  It was scary.  He did explain hole #10 at Riv to me before he got dressed.

[paul cowley]

So the way I understand it , he was not enlightened until after he left the tutelage of Bob Cupp.  Is that what he is saying?  
I can tell you this.  I have not been enlightened yet but Donald Ross did come to me in a dream and explained a lot of his basics to me and then the next night I went to a seance and talked to Flynn and McKenzie at the same time.  It changed the way I looked at things.  The seance lady has a 900 number where I can speak to them nightly and sometimes I have them review plans.  I just can't decide if I should mention all of this in my marketing yet.

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