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Eric Smith

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Golf Course Architects Ben Stephens and Adrian Stiff form SAS Golf Design
« on: February 09, 2012, 03:41:31 PM »
From Golf Course Architecture:

British golf architects Adrian Stiff and Ben Stephens have formed a new partnership, and, as SAS Golf Design, are embarking on their first project, in Wiltshire in England’s south-west.

Congrats to fellow GCAers Adrian and Ben on the new partnership!
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David_Tepper

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Re: Golf Course Architects Ben Stephens and Adrian Stiff form SAS Golf Design
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2012, 04:00:50 PM »
Congratulations and best of luck!
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Niall C

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Re: Golf Course Architects Ben Stephens and Adrian Stiff form SAS Golf Design
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2012, 04:22:56 PM »
Bound to succeed, after all who dares wins.  ;)

Niall
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James Boon

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Re: Golf Course Architects Ben Stephens and Adrian Stiff form SAS Golf Design
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2012, 04:53:19 PM »
Funny, I thought with the England football team changing manager, that perhaps Shearer And Sheringham were back?  ;D

Best of luck guys!!!!

Cheers,

James
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Scott Warren

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Re: Golf Course Architects Ben Stephens and Adrian Stiff form SAS Golf Design
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2012, 06:03:31 PM »
What's great about this arrangement is that Ben can tell people it's "Stephens & Stiff" and Adrian can call the company "Stiff and Stephens" and regardless, the company name isn't affected!
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Ben Stephens

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Re: Golf Course Architects Ben Stephens and Adrian Stiff form SAS Golf Design
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2012, 03:07:31 AM »
Quote from: Niall Carlton on February 09, 2012, 04:22:56 PM
Bound to succeed, after all who dares wins.  ;)

Niall

Niall - our slogan is 'who dares plays!' lol
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Ben Stephens

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Re: Golf Course Architects Ben Stephens and Adrian Stiff form SAS Golf Design
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2012, 03:10:32 AM »
Quote from: Eric Smith on February 09, 2012, 03:41:31 PM
From Golf Course Architecture:

British golf architects Adrian Stiff and Ben Stephens have formed a new partnership, and, as SAS Golf Design, are embarking on their first project, in Wiltshire in England’s south-west.

Congrats to fellow GCAers Adrian and Ben on the new partnership!



Eric


Thank you for putting this up on GCA I appreciate this. Adrian and I will put up our designs for Westbury GC on GCA later on this year.

Is this the first golf course design partnership formed due to Golf Club Atlas?


Cheers
Ben

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Adrian_Stiff

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Re: Golf Course Architects Ben Stephens and Adrian Stiff form SAS Golf Design
« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2012, 04:06:39 AM »
Thanks for your kind words. Its quite an interesting project in that I am not sure if its a re-do or a brand new one course, we are not keeping anything of the existing save the routing of the first hole. Whilst its against the grain to be building new courses in this economy, it is funded by landfill so the cost will be less than zero! It could be a way for other UK architects to earn a crust and other UK golf clubs to improve their courses without it costing. Ben and I will keep you posted.
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Mark Pearce

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Re: Golf Course Architects Ben Stephens and Adrian Stiff form SAS Golf Design
« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2012, 04:29:09 AM »
Quote from: James Boon on February 09, 2012, 04:53:19 PM
Funny, I thought with the England football team changing manager, that perhaps Shearer And Sheringham were back?  ;D
Sorry to be a pedant but the strike partner with whom Shearer formed the SAS was Chris Sutton, not Teddy Sheringham.
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Melvyn Morrow

Re: Golf Course Architects Ben Stephens and Adrian Stiff form SAS Golf Design
« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2012, 05:02:04 AM »

Adrian & Ben

I wish you both the best of luck for the new venture, perhaps with the motto ‘Who cares, Wins’ might just be the way to go.

Guys, stamp your own identity on your partnership and of course not forgetting your designs. Utilise the coming together of two minds as an opportunity to improve GCA in these islands. However to enable you to serve the game may I respectfully suggest that you visit Askernish ASAP and The Bridge of Allan course. Don’t put it off, you need to see them now, and if possible together. Not to copy their theme but to understand what golf was like when it was played in the days of our first Golden Age.

Who Cares, Wins, based upon solid design while working win Nature and the local environment.

Good luck

Melvyn

PS Adrian any idea who designed Saunton GC (http://www.sauntongolf.co.uk/ )?
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Adrian_Stiff

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Re: Golf Course Architects Ben Stephens and Adrian Stiff form SAS Golf Design
« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2012, 05:28:12 AM »
Melvyn - Herbert Fowler I would say, almost nothing remains of Tom Dunnes 1890s stuff. Fowlers course is there except 1.2, 17 and 18 have changed but 3-16 is intact. The West course hardly anything of the early stuff remains. Frank Pennink did the re-do.
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Robin_Hiseman

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Re: Golf Course Architects Ben Stephens and Adrian Stiff form SAS Golf Design
« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2012, 05:30:02 AM »
The best of luck to Ben and Adrian and look forward to catching up with their news in March during the Cotswold Quirk.

Let's hope the lawyers at Scandinavian Airlines don't catch wind of their company name!
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Jon Wiggett

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Re: Golf Course Architects Ben Stephens and Adrian Stiff form SAS Golf Design
« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2012, 05:30:51 AM »
Well done gents. Hope it goes well :)
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Tom_Doak

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Re: Golf Course Architects Ben Stephens and Adrian Stiff form SAS Golf Design
« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2012, 07:00:50 AM »
Ben and Adrian:

You should have announced that you were forming your partnership "to save Scotland" !

Best wishes on your new venture.
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Melvyn Morrow

Re: Golf Course Architects Ben Stephens and Adrian Stiff form SAS Golf Design
« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2012, 09:48:18 AM »

Adrian

Many thanks for the info on Saunton, I have passed it on to young Willie’s great grandson Willie Dunn

Melvyn
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Mark Chaplin

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Re: Golf Course Architects Ben Stephens and Adrian Stiff form SAS Golf Design
« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2012, 09:55:30 AM »
Ben - I prefer "Who dares pays"!
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George Pazin

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Re: Golf Course Architects Ben Stephens and Adrian Stiff form SAS Golf Design
« Reply #16 on: February 10, 2012, 10:05:14 AM »
Please don't be reticent to share your plans, ideas, etc, for fear of how it looks. For every whiner, there are many more of us who appreciate the passion and insight.

Best of luck to you going forward.
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Neil_Crafter

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Re: Golf Course Architects Ben Stephens and Adrian Stiff form SAS Golf Design
« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2012, 03:31:17 PM »
all the best on your new venture - do you each get an embroidered beret? :-)
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James Boon

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Re: Golf Course Architects Ben Stephens and Adrian Stiff form SAS Golf Design
« Reply #18 on: February 10, 2012, 06:06:52 PM »
Quote from: Mark Pearce on February 10, 2012, 04:29:09 AM
Quote from: James Boon on February 09, 2012, 04:53:19 PM
Funny, I thought with the England football team changing manager, that perhaps Shearer And Sheringham were back?  ;D
Sorry to be a pedant but the strike partner with whom Shearer formed the SAS was Chris Sutton, not Teddy Sheringham.

Mark, pretty certain it was used for the England strike duo also, but you are probably right that it was the Blackburn pairing first. Something I'd probably blanked out thanks to their 1995 Premier League title.

Cheers,

James
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Bill_McBride

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Re: Golf Course Architects Ben Stephens and Adrian Stiff form SAS Golf Design
« Reply #19 on: February 12, 2012, 02:56:08 PM »
All the best with the new venture!

Ben has a very keen eye for course improvements.  I remember his rather provocative suggestions about changes to Pennard!
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Ben Stephens

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Re: Golf Course Architects Ben Stephens and Adrian Stiff form SAS Golf Design
« Reply #20 on: February 15, 2012, 01:42:19 PM »
Quote from: Melvyn Hunter Morrow on February 10, 2012, 05:02:04 AM

Adrian & Ben

I wish you both the best of luck for the new venture, perhaps with the motto ‘Who cares, Wins’ might just be the way to go.

Guys, stamp your own identity on your partnership and of course not forgetting your designs. Utilise the coming together of two minds as an opportunity to improve GCA in these islands. However to enable you to serve the game may I respectfully suggest that you visit Askernish ASAP and The Bridge of Allan course. Don’t put it off, you need to see them now, and if possible together. Not to copy their theme but to understand what golf was like when it was played in the days of our first Golden Age.

Who Cares, Wins, based upon solid design while working win Nature and the local environment.

Good luck

Melvyn

PS Adrian any idea who designed Saunton GC (http://www.sauntongolf.co.uk/ )?


Thanks Melvyn,

Nae worries - you are always welcome to inspect the site while under construction - we are certainly not having flat fairways!!

Cheers
Ben
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Ben Stephens

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Re: Golf Course Architects Ben Stephens and Adrian Stiff form SAS Golf Design
« Reply #21 on: February 15, 2012, 01:43:20 PM »
Quote from: Robin_Hiseman on February 10, 2012, 05:30:02 AM
The best of luck to Ben and Adrian and look forward to catching up with their news in March during the Cotswold Quirk.

Let's hope the lawyers at Scandinavian Airlines don't catch wind of their company name!

Robin,

Not too worried about Scandinavian Airlines more scared of the Special Armed Service!!!  ;D

Cheers
Ben
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Ben Stephens

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Re: Golf Course Architects Ben Stephens and Adrian Stiff form SAS Golf Design
« Reply #22 on: February 15, 2012, 01:44:25 PM »
Quote from: Tom_Doak on February 10, 2012, 07:00:50 AM
Ben and Adrian:

You should have announced that you were forming your partnership "to save Scotland" !

Best wishes on your new venture.

Tom,

Thanks for your message

I would have said 'to save Wales!!'

Cheers
Ben
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Ben Stephens

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Re: Golf Course Architects Ben Stephens and Adrian Stiff form SAS Golf Design
« Reply #23 on: February 15, 2012, 01:45:29 PM »
Quote from: Neil_Crafter on February 10, 2012, 03:31:17 PM
all the best on your new venture - do you each get an embroidered beret? :-)

Now thats an good idea!!  ;D
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Ben Stephens

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Re: Golf Course Architects Ben Stephens and Adrian Stiff form SAS Golf Design
« Reply #24 on: February 15, 2012, 01:46:59 PM »
Quote from: Bill_McBride on February 12, 2012, 02:56:08 PM
All the best with the new venture!

Ben has a very keen eye for course improvements.  I remember his rather provocative suggestions about changes to Pennard!

Pennard needed to be more 'sexy'! It still needs to with the amazing catchment area that has not been utilised to its potential! ;D
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