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Matt Vandelac

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What can an operator charge for golf car rental?
« on: February 14, 2012, 10:35:26 AM »
I'm interested in getting people to walk, appreciate the game and reduce impact (I agree with Melvyn, it's real).
As a golf course operator interested in growing the game and appreciating the spirit of the game, how much can I charge for car rental?  Currently I'm up to a $50 greeens fee and $20 car rental and nobody says a thing.  Another benefit to raising the rental fee maybe they also start thinking about a caddie.

Jim_Kennedy

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Re: What can an operator charge for golf car rental?
« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2012, 10:41:02 AM »
Matt,
If no one is saying anything it means you are competitively priced. Charge twice as much as the average in your location and you'll have more walkers, plus you'll have fewer golfers so it'll be win-win for everyone.
"I never beat a well man in my life" - Harry Vardon

PCCraig

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Re: What can an operator charge for golf car rental?
« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2012, 10:41:59 AM »
Matt,

How much is your monthly lease payment on your cart fleet? Or do you own them? Just curious as to the cost basis of operating a fleet of carts from an operations basis.

I personally can't imagine paying $20 for a cart, especially when it represents almost 50% of the courses's greens fee. You could try raising the cart prices to $25 or $30 to see if that dings usage?
H.P.S.

Matt Vandelac

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Re: What can an operator charge for golf car rental?
« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2012, 10:48:32 AM »
We own the carts.  I'd like to see what experiences others have had, if there are any.  The game has changed so much in the past 10 years when we anticipated 80% riders.  Now it's 98% on a very walkable course.

Ben Kodadek

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Re: What can an operator charge for golf car rental?
« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2012, 10:53:41 AM »
Matt,

I'm more interested in hearing about a course with a $50 green fee that has a viable caddie program.  Is this program currently in existence, or are you hoping to create one with the reduced usage of carts. 

Adrian_Stiff

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Re: What can an operator charge for golf car rental?
« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2012, 10:59:09 AM »
Matt - I think areas to areas are going to vary somewhat. Here is some of our info and background I am from the UK we have 36 holes and we have 27 buggies. In the Winter we only hire out 1 buggy per day, perhaps 2, most walk to keep warm. Our members are not big users of buggies but our day fee users are, rarely though would all 27 buggies go out at once, though occasionally I could use 50. I charge £20 per round say $32 and thats the going rate though some go up to 40. I have 15 good condition and a 12 that are a bit manky, I do a cheap members rate for £8 and I like to use those buggies. We also do an after 5PM rate for £8 for everyone and they get quite a bit of use in the summer.

We need the income from the buggies to keep staff in employment and I would say buggies to us are worth 2 greenstaff, so for the nay sayers against buggies, think before you type, when in this climate every penny counts. Whilst I tend to agree that walking is the game, the real world is "Can we book a buggy please, one of our party needs one?"..... "sorry sir, we dont have any buggies"......"In that case we cant play at your course" - a lost booking for 12 guys @ $100 each. Now I know thats a fact because I deal with bookings for other courses and as soon as you say a course has no buggies, that course is out of the reckoning regardless of any architectural merits and that situation happens once a week.

You make good money hiring out a cart, you make significantly less and take more off your client for a caddie, I dont see why you would do thios commercially.. I think your cart rental could go to $25 fairly easy.
« Last Edit: February 14, 2012, 11:16:54 AM by Adrian_Stiff »
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Bill_McBride

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Re: What can an operator charge for golf car rental?
« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2012, 11:19:19 AM »
Adrian, is that $25 split between riders or for each?

Our club charges $18 per rider plus 7.5% sales tax, or $19.35 each.   It's a good argument for walking.

Jim_Kennedy

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Re: What can an operator charge for golf car rental?
« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2012, 11:23:20 AM »
If your charging a $50 green fee and a $20 car fee and no one is walking it's not because the car fee is too low. The commited walkers at our course wouldn't take a car, period. Either your clientele are extremely lazy or you've got your car fee buried in the cost of a round, where the potential walker is paying for it even when he doesn't use it. If that's the case you'll turn potential walkers into riders, which would be another way to explain the increase from 80% to 98%.  
"I never beat a well man in my life" - Harry Vardon

Adrian_Stiff

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Re: What can an operator charge for golf car rental?
« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2012, 11:30:59 AM »
Bill - Cart rental is for one or two persons, so at my course £8 cart rental as a member equals about $6 per person.
A combination of whats good for golf and good for turf.
The Players Club, Cumberwell Park, The Kendleshire, Oake Manor, Dainton Park, Forest Hills, Erlestoke, St Cleres.
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Bill_McBride

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Re: What can an operator charge for golf car rental?
« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2012, 11:36:33 AM »
If your charging a $50 green fee and a $20 car fee and no one is walking it's not because the car fee is too low. The commited walkers at our course wouldn't take a car, period. Either your clientele are extremely lazy or you've got your car fee buried in the cost of a round, where the potential walker is paying for it even when he doesn't use it. If that's the case you'll turn potential walkers into riders, which would be another way to explain the increase from 80% to 98%.  


Jim, I vaguely remember public access courses starting to bury the cart fee in the green fee maybe 20-30 years ago.  I think that pretty much was the death knell for walking.   Lots of guys figured, if I'm paying for a cart I'm riding in it.

Greg Clark

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Re: What can an operator charge for golf car rental?
« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2012, 11:40:34 AM »
Here in the DFW area many public courses will charge you the same amount for the round whether you walk or ride.  At a few courses walking is not an option given to the golfer (long distances between greens and tees).  The vast majority of courses down here that reduce the cost of the round for walking are munis.  Cart fees are generally in the $15-$25 range.

Raising your cart fee may increase walkers, but it will definitely send a larger number of golfers to your competition.
 

Michael Whitaker

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Re: What can an operator charge for golf car rental?
« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2012, 11:57:24 AM »
There aren't many daily fee course in SC that still offer an option of green fee only... you pay one price to play whether you walk or ride. As Bill says, if you've paid for the cart the vast majority are going to ride.

Let's face it, most public course operators don't want walkers... they perceive walkers slow everything down... which is probably true on courses with long stretches between holes.
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Jim_Kennedy

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Re: What can an operator charge for golf car rental?
« Reply #12 on: February 14, 2012, 12:01:17 PM »
Jim, I vaguely remember public access courses starting to bury the cart fee in the green fee maybe 20-30 years ago.  I think that pretty much was the death knell for walking.   Lots of guys figured, if I'm paying for a cart I'm riding in it.

That sounds about right. I suspect that the leasing of them had much to do with it.
"I never beat a well man in my life" - Harry Vardon