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PCCraig

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Re: Golf Course Architecture and the Rio 2016 Summer Olympics
« Reply #50 on: February 03, 2012, 08:52:36 AM »
Shouldn't we be hearing something today about the Committee's pick?
H.P.S.

Mark Bourgeois

Re: Golf Course Architecture and the Rio 2016 Summer Olympics
« Reply #51 on: February 03, 2012, 09:30:14 AM »
Just looked at those poll results. My guess is Player.

EDIT: sorry, brain fart I meant Thomson, the lowest vote getter in the results.
« Last Edit: February 03, 2012, 10:11:36 AM by Mark Bourgeois »

JR Potts

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Re: Golf Course Architecture and the Rio 2016 Summer Olympics
« Reply #52 on: February 03, 2012, 10:11:27 AM »
Per Twitter, the committee is reportedly deadlocked....and the vote must be unanimous.

Mike Nuzzo

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Re: Golf Course Architecture and the Rio 2016 Summer Olympics
« Reply #53 on: February 03, 2012, 10:24:47 AM »
JR
Post the tweets
cheers
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JR Potts

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Re: Golf Course Architecture and the Rio 2016 Summer Olympics
« Reply #54 on: February 03, 2012, 10:28:10 AM »
@GeoffShac
Geoff Shackelford Looking less and less likely we'll get news on the Rio 2016 course architect today. Committee reportedly deadlocked. Has to be unanimous.

Here's one of them.

Gotta go.

Howard Riefs

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Re: Golf Course Architecture and the Rio 2016 Summer Olympics
« Reply #55 on: February 03, 2012, 10:32:52 AM »
Link to Shackelford's above tweet:    https://twitter.com/#!/GeoffShac/status/165451625375350784

More recent from Shack:

"Don't know exactly which architects they are debating between, but have indications who one of the design teams is and it'd be a shocker."
https://twitter.com/#!/GeoffShac/status/165452262129401856

In response to reporter Lawrence Donegan's guess of Gary Player being selected:

"It's not that ridiculous, but it's not good either!"
https://twitter.com/#!/GeoffShac/status/165453012440055808


Check here for future tweets from him:

https://twitter.com/#!/GeoffShac
« Last Edit: February 03, 2012, 10:34:34 AM by Howard Riefs »
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Chris Johnston

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Re: Golf Course Architecture and the Rio 2016 Summer Olympics
« Reply #56 on: February 03, 2012, 10:40:38 AM »
It has to ne unanimous?  Wow, could spell trouble.  

One stubborn committee member can simply insist his pick wins.  Or, one person could "veto" the other 3.  Given the proposition and timeline, the strongest opinion may win.  I hope they all are working together as one person can simply run out the clock until the others agree.  Can't be much fun for the candidates.

Even the Pope doesn't require unanimous vote.

Hope we hear some of the stories after the result.


Kalen Braley

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Re: Golf Course Architecture and the Rio 2016 Summer Olympics
« Reply #57 on: February 03, 2012, 10:46:21 AM »
I did quietly wonder why they would have an even number of judges....and not go one more with 5.

But I guess its making sense now!

Any inside scoop on who the presumably 2 candidates are that they are haggling over?  Still gotta believe Jack and Annika is one of them.

Mike Nuzzo

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Re: Golf Course Architecture and the Rio 2016 Summer Olympics
« Reply #58 on: February 03, 2012, 11:06:08 AM »
SAO PAULO (AP) _ Rio 2016 organizers won't announce the designer of the Olympic golf course until March.
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Adam Clayman

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Re: Golf Course Architecture and the Rio 2016 Summer Olympics
« Reply #59 on: February 03, 2012, 11:14:20 AM »
That's the best news out of this whole story. It implies they will take their time going over the designs. Lets hope they can conceptualize, well.
"It's unbelievable how much you don't know about the game you've been playing your whole life." - Mickey Mantle

Chris Johnston

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Re: Golf Course Architecture and the Rio 2016 Summer Olympics
« Reply #60 on: February 03, 2012, 11:17:54 AM »
That's the best news out of this whole story. It implies they will take their time going over the designs. Lets hope they can conceptualize, well.

Maybe.  But also gives more time for back room lobbying and the angst of waiting by the candidates.


Jud_T

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Re: Golf Course Architecture and the Rio 2016 Summer Olympics
« Reply #61 on: February 03, 2012, 11:27:31 AM »
I don't think I can take the suspense for another month.  Imagine how the elite 8 feel....
Golf is a game. We play it. Somewhere along the way we took the fun out of it and charged a premium to be punished.- - Ron Sirak

PCCraig

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Re: Golf Course Architecture and the Rio 2016 Summer Olympics
« Reply #62 on: February 03, 2012, 11:29:11 AM »

"Don't know exactly which architects they are debating between, but have indications who one of the design teams is and it'd be a shocker."


So Gil Hanse is the possible "shocker?"

Is it possible the team picked can be a "shocker" when we already know all 8 of the teams involved?
H.P.S.

Don_Mahaffey

Re: Golf Course Architecture and the Rio 2016 Summer Olympics
« Reply #63 on: February 03, 2012, 11:32:27 AM »
I would hope they have the courtesy to notify the two still in the hunt as well as the six that did not make the cut. Common sense says they would do that. Making all of them wait for another month to get any news may qualify as cruel and unusual punishment.

Michael George

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Re: Golf Course Architecture and the Rio 2016 Summer Olympics
« Reply #64 on: February 03, 2012, 11:32:40 AM »
Also gives them time to arrange a co-architect arrangement ala Sebonack.

Don - I doubt they tell anyone they are out.  Sometimes if 2 are part of the deadlock, a 3rd party becomes the consensus pick.

"First come my wife and children.  Next comes my profession--the law. Finally, and never as a life in itself, comes golf" - Bob Jones

Jud_T

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Re: Golf Course Architecture and the Rio 2016 Summer Olympics
« Reply #65 on: February 03, 2012, 11:37:33 AM »

"Don't know exactly which architects they are debating between, but have indications who one of the design teams is and it'd be a shocker."


So Gil Hanse is the possible "shocker?"



Unlikely as he characterizes them as "not good"
Golf is a game. We play it. Somewhere along the way we took the fun out of it and charged a premium to be punished.- - Ron Sirak

Mike Benham

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Re: Golf Course Architecture and the Rio 2016 Summer Olympics
« Reply #66 on: February 03, 2012, 11:59:19 AM »

I also agree that some of those firms are more qualified than others, although we might disagree on the criteria.  I am not all that familiar with Hawtree or Thompson's/Ross Perret work, for example, and I doubt you are either. 



Since I haven't read every single post or topic on the subject, has it the RFP Scope of Project been publicly stated? 

Do we know what the criteria the committee is looking for?
"... and I liked the guy ..."

Kalen Braley

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Re: Golf Course Architecture and the Rio 2016 Summer Olympics
« Reply #67 on: February 03, 2012, 12:05:08 PM »
Maybe its just me, but a month doesn't seem unreasonable....they just heard thier presentations.

With the amount of money being spent, it seems totally feasible that they would want to stew/sleep on it for at least a few weeks.

Hell, I know guys who take much longer than a month when deciding on a new car to buy!

Ulrich Mayring

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Re: Golf Course Architecture and the Rio 2016 Summer Olympics
« Reply #68 on: February 03, 2012, 12:09:38 PM »
I don't think a lot of money will be spent. The decision probably comes to down to who is willing to assume the largest portion of the risk for the least amount of money.

I mean, seriously: the finalists are all established firms. It's probably not a process of finding out who can design a good golf course.

Ulrich
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Jeff_Brauer

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Re: Golf Course Architecture and the Rio 2016 Summer Olympics
« Reply #69 on: February 03, 2012, 12:10:53 PM »
Jud,



When asked if it's Player, Geoff says "Not that ridiculous, but not good" at least the way I read it.  Lonegan then guesses Norman and there is no response (yet) from Geoff.  

If Geoff's info somehow comes from cryptic clues from Gil, it might indicate that the committee had given some indications which teams were in or out, no?  Of course, he may very well have other sources, since Gil is sworn to secrecy.

Mike,

I read some of them, but as I also posted, its quite possible that a wowser presentation "clarified" what the committee thought it needed for them.

In any event, it looks like it might be a "Cinderalla story" in the making!

Kalen,

It is not unusal for these committees to realize they need more time.  I recall Laredo and waiting to hear back.  It is excruiating.  I also recall El Paso and sitting in the airport bar with Forrest waiting for the flight home when word quickly came via an official phone call that Faz got that job.  Hey, I just got word a few days ago of a commission that I had submitted for in November, with a almost as secretive process.   I emailed to say I presumed they had gone another direction, and they emailed back saying they had tabled it, and then the next day, they emailed to say I had the job.  Go figure!  It happens all ways.

A small committee can tend to deadlock on such an important decision.  My guess is that six firms will open up the whiskey tonight and two won't have any fingernails left by tomorrow morning, if not sooner.
Jeff Brauer, ASGCA Director of Outreach

Jeff_Brauer

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Re: Golf Course Architecture and the Rio 2016 Summer Olympics
« Reply #70 on: February 03, 2012, 12:19:20 PM »
Actually, noted on the other thread that the official word is only that the announcement won't be made until later.  We don't know what Geoff Shack's sources are on the deadlock, and they don't actually say that. 

It would not be uncommon to not make an announcement until a final contract is signed.  The thinking would be that they don't know for sure that an architect can live up to whatever they promise in a presentation until they get it in writing, either.  And, as mentioned, the IOC will be there in March, making a lot of sense for the announcement.

Great, even more time wasters looking for leaks.
Jeff Brauer, ASGCA Director of Outreach

Mike Tanner

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Re: Golf Course Architecture and the Rio 2016 Summer Olympics
« Reply #71 on: February 03, 2012, 12:25:11 PM »
Not too surprised by the news. Announcing that the winner would be revealed in two days seemed wildly optimistic, especially with an even-numbered jury. A compromise candidate could very well emerge from a deadlocked situation.

Gotta wonder about that "not good" comment. As noted above, more time wasting ahead as the new deadline allows for plenty of conjecture.
Life's too short to waste on bad golf courses or bad wine.

Tom Dunne

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Re: Golf Course Architecture and the Rio 2016 Summer Olympics
« Reply #72 on: February 03, 2012, 01:35:51 PM »
I interviewed Antony Scanlon a few months ago for LINKS. I don't know if this is still in the cards, but at the time he told me the plan was to test-drive the new course with both men's and women's pro events a full year before the Games. I mention this as a way of saying that Rio doesn't really have the luxury of burning through months just in the selection process. They need to get cracking.

Mark Johnson

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Re: Golf Course Architecture and the Rio 2016 Summer Olympics
« Reply #73 on: February 03, 2012, 03:18:57 PM »

"Don't know exactly which architects they are debating between, but have indications who one of the design teams is and it'd be a shocker."


So Gil Hanse is the possible "shocker?"

Is it possible the team picked can be a "shocker" when we already know all 8 of the teams involved?


my prediction of Hawtree a few months ago is getting better and better. ;)   In all seriousness, given today's news, I think the chances of an American winning the job is ~0.01%

Brad Klein

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Re: Golf Course Architecture and the Rio 2016 Summer Olympics
« Reply #74 on: February 03, 2012, 04:09:30 PM »
There's no Putney Swope option this time. Nobody involved among the eight has any idea what is going on and who is favored and who is not. Anyone who tells you otherwise is lying or just speculating. And there's an awful lot of speculation among the remaining principles.

All I know is that such delays, standard with golf and with the Olympics, do not bode well for finishing on time.

http://golfweek.com/news/2012/feb/03/delay-signals-tough-call-build-legacy/

« Last Edit: February 03, 2012, 04:29:32 PM by Brad Klein »