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Mark Chaplin

Re: Most Dangerous Road Crossing in Golf?
« Reply #25 on: January 15, 2012, 11:54:49 AM »
Jim - the Gullane road is a walk in the park compared to Liphook which is by far the most dangerous I've ever come across.

Liphook and Worplesdon - blind and semi fast roads

Walton Heath, Mill Hill and Lindrick - fast roads easy to mis-judge vehicle speeds

Royal Melbourne East - big wide road can be difficult waiting for a gap
Cave Nil Vino

Mark_Rowlinson

Re: Most Dangerous Road Crossing in Golf?
« Reply #26 on: January 15, 2012, 12:03:50 PM »
There is another, not as dangerous as Liphook and Worplesdon, at Maesdu. It's quite busy road but vehicles should be travelling at no more tan 30 mph. But there have been accidents. Ludlow used to cross public roads, but I think they rerouted some of it to avoid that danger. You play over a minor public road from the 17th tee at Alwoodley. Crossing the road is not the problem, but hitting a vehicle or mother, baby and pram is a danger. You cross roads on several holes at Wentworth and again it is not the likelihood of a golfer being hit by a car, more likely a resident's Rolls or Ferrari getting thumped. If memory serves me correctly you cross roads also at Felixstowe Ferry, and, again, I think it is the road user, not the golfer, who is in the greater peril.

Martin Toal

Re: Most Dangerous Road Crossing in Golf?
« Reply #27 on: January 15, 2012, 12:05:43 PM »
Castlerock, a fine links course not far from Royal Portrush in N. Ireland has a hole where the railway runs close to the right side. I have seen a ball hit by a decent 2 handicapper cannon off a train there.

Click on the obviously named hole in this link:

http://www.castlerockgc.co.uk/course-mussenden

Mark_Rowlinson

Re: Most Dangerous Road Crossing in Golf?
« Reply #28 on: January 15, 2012, 12:20:25 PM »
The famous railway hole is the 1st at Prestwick, on which a decently hit slice can decapitate someone on the platform waiting for the train. There is a tale of someone teeing off, the ball hitting the tracks and bouncing back onto the fairway. The second shot was similarly sliced and it, too, bounced back - onto the green. I like to think the player single putted for a birdie.

The said Maesdu is separated from neighbouring North Wales by a little branch line into Llandudno. I have seen a ball bounce back into play off the tracks.

The railway is VERY close to the 11th green at Royal Troon and you could end up on the tracks at Hillside or even the 1st hole at Formby. I imagine you could clatter a train at Beaconsfield, too. Sadly, you can no longer hit a train at St Andrews. I can remember trains running alongside Royal County Down when I young and knew nothing of golf. I imagine it might only have been a factor on the No 2 course.

Can you get into trouble with the railway line at Woodbrook in Eire? I haven't been there for a very long time, and could easily be wrong.

Mark Chaplin

Re: Most Dangerous Road Crossing in Golf?
« Reply #29 on: January 15, 2012, 12:26:48 PM »
There are many, many homes, railways and roads at danger from golfers but less so dangers to players from outside influences.

The railway at Royal Adelaide is another if you are not paying attention.
Cave Nil Vino

Martin Toal

Re: Most Dangerous Road Crossing in Golf?
« Reply #30 on: January 15, 2012, 12:40:10 PM »


Can you get into trouble with the railway line at Woodbrook in Eire? I haven't been there for a very long time, and could easily be wrong.

Woodbrook? Fine old style course near Bray. I think the Irish Open was there in the 70s.

http://www.woodbrook.ie/course.php

The DART train line bisects the course and would attract a slice off the 18th.

Dónal Ó Ceallaigh

Re: Most Dangerous Road Crossing in Golf?
« Reply #31 on: January 15, 2012, 04:02:31 PM »


Can you get into trouble with the railway line at Woodbrook in Eire? I haven't been there for a very long time, and could easily be wrong.

Woodbrook? Fine old style course near Bray. I think the Irish Open was there in the 70s.

http://www.woodbrook.ie/course.php

The DART train line bisects the course and would attract a slice off the 18th.

Mark:

I played Woodbrook about 20 years ago and at that time, you had to carefully walk across the railway line.

Martin:

There is no crossing of the road at Rosapenna since they replaced the Coastguard holes with the new Strand holes. I think this occurred in October 2009.

I'm not sure if you played Omagh, but there was a dodgy crossing of the main road after the first couple of holes. It was located on a bend in the road and you had to be quite careful, as that road (Strabane-Omage-Dublin route) was very busy at times. I think it has since been replaced with a foot bridge and an improved by-pass.

Mark_Rowlinson

Re: Most Dangerous Road Crossing in Golf?
« Reply #32 on: January 15, 2012, 04:15:58 PM »
Donal,

I probably played Woodbrook in he 1970s. How we age!

Mark.

BigEdSC

Re: Most Dangerous Road Crossing in Golf?
« Reply #33 on: January 15, 2012, 05:22:11 PM »
The crossing at Charleston (SC) Municipal between the 9th green and the 10th tee is dangerous.  The road here is four lanes and it leads to Kiawah.  The speed limit is around 40-45.  It used to be worst at the crossing between the 14thgreen and the 15th tee.  They built a $750,000 tunnel under the road there because of the traffic coming around a blind curve at 50 mph coming from Kiawah.

Bill_McBride

Re: Most Dangerous Road Crossing in Golf?
« Reply #34 on: January 15, 2012, 06:15:33 PM »
Apparently there are lots of places in the wide world of golf where golfers are an endangered species and nobody really cares!

Anthony Butler

Re: Most Dangerous Road Crossing in Golf?
« Reply #35 on: January 15, 2012, 06:22:29 PM »
The Pennsylvania Turnpike at Oakmont... Eventually, I just gave up and used the footbridge...
Next!

Michael Tamburrini

Re: Most Dangerous Road Crossing in Golf?
« Reply #36 on: January 15, 2012, 06:24:27 PM »
This thread reminds me of when I played Newtonmore Golf Club, up near Aviemore in Scotland.  I was about 15 and don't remember a great deal about it: I remember a jet flying overhead about 20 feet off the ground (it seemed like, anyway - it was close enough for my dad to duck).  I remember standing on the 7th tee and realising I'd already lost 6 golf balls in the knee high rough and only had 3 left in my bag.  And I remember the 18th.

The 18th is a short par 4, 350 yards or so.  About 20 yards short of the green the road to the clubhouse cuts across the hole, which is quite nice when you are driving in.  Anyway, I'd hit a decent drive but my dad had hooked his badly and, before he departed into the wilerness to hit his second, I remember him warning me (several times) not to hit unless I was sure no cars were crossing.

So I'm standing over the ball.  No cars in sight.  I do my pre-shot routine which is a complete copy of Seve, so I do the whole standing behind the ball visualising thing.  Still no sign of any cars.  I stand over the ball, look up (again, mimicking Seve as much as possible).  Still no cars.  So I hit.  I wasn't worried as, provided I struck the ball decently, the road shouldn't really be in play.

Naturally I caught the shot heavy.  But that wasn't what caused me to immediately panic.  The car driving in from the right was the problem.  It was immediately apparent that my ball was on a collision course.  I scanned from the ball to the car about a dozen times as time stood still and the ball arched towards its doom.

It bounced on the road, about 6 inches in front of the car, over the bonnet (just missing the windscreen) as the car sped on, and rolled onto the green (which was blind from where I'd played).  I stood, white as a sheet and still frozen in terror, as my dad wandered back over.

"How'd you get on?" he said.

"Yeah fine," I lied.  "Should be on the green."

Sam Morrow

Re: Most Dangerous Road Crossing in Golf?
« Reply #37 on: January 15, 2012, 09:53:55 PM »
Pharoahs Country Club in Corpus, I don't even know if it's still open but there were 2 spots were you had to cross a major 4 lane road. The course did little play so the city wasn't worried about notifying drivers of the course and the average resident of Corpus didn't have citizenship let alone play golf. It was a pretty terrible course with internal out of bounds, it was credited as a Ralph Plummer, not sure if I believe that though.

Mark_Rowlinson

Re: Most Dangerous Road Crossing in Golf?
« Reply #38 on: January 16, 2012, 05:25:58 AM »
At Royal Worlington a minor public road crosses the 9th/18th hole just in front of the green. Big hitters will attempt to drive the green, blind over trees with no sight of traffic on the road.




Niall C

Re: Most Dangerous Road Crossing in Golf?
« Reply #39 on: January 16, 2012, 06:53:55 AM »
Michael

I played Newtonmore last year and know exactly the hole you mean. I suspect the locals just put up with the risk and get on with it.

Killermont is similar with the road in and out to the clubhouse crossing two holes. The road in/out at Cawdor might actually go across three, I can't quite remember.

At Moray you have to cross a reasonably busy road twice but a t least the sight lines are a wee bit better than Liphook. The one I remember most though is the first at Tain where you play over a public road (complete with post and wire fences on either side of the road) with your approach shot to the first green.Luckily they don't get a lot of traffic up there.

Niall

Mark Pearce

Re: Most Dangerous Road Crossing in Golf?
« Reply #40 on: January 16, 2012, 07:07:56 AM »
You cross a road at Elie but it's dead straight, quiet and slow.  More dangerous is driving along the road left of the 4th, which must receive a fair number of balls. 

The road crossing at Berkamsted was mentioned in Sean's write up and, at a busy time, can be a bit hairy.
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Doug Wright

Re: Most Dangerous Road Crossing in Golf?
« Reply #41 on: January 16, 2012, 11:54:57 AM »
There was a road crossing with pretty busy traffic that had to be crossed twice at Wilmington (NC) Municipal GC. It's been a while since I've played it but assume it is still a crossing not a tunnel.
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James Bennett

Re: Most Dangerous Road Crossing in Golf?
« Reply #42 on: January 16, 2012, 08:42:13 PM »
they must drive at a more sedate speed on Monterey Peninsula - doesn't seem to be an issue there.

RM East between 4/5 and 15/16 is )as stated earlier, a time for patience.  Good gaps come, but you might have to wait a little while.  Do what the members do (assuming you are playing with a member).

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Mark_F

Re: Most Dangerous Road Crossing in Golf?
« Reply #43 on: January 16, 2012, 08:50:41 PM »
RM East between 4/5 and 15/16 is )as stated earlier, a time for patience.  Good gaps come, but you might have to wait a little while.  Do what the members do (assuming you are playing with a member).

Call up the Premier and get him to send a traffic cop over?  That isn't very practical, James.
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Gene Greco

Re: Most Dangerous Road Crossing in Golf?
« Reply #44 on: January 16, 2012, 09:21:07 PM »
    It is sport for some who use Round Swamp Road to scare the daylights out of those crossing from 1 to 2 and 14 to 15 on The Bethpage Black and 1 to 2  and 17 to 18 on The Green. Not sure if there have ever been any fatalities over the past 70 or 80 years.
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mike_beene

Re: Most Dangerous Road Crossing in Golf?
« Reply #45 on: January 20, 2012, 10:37:57 PM »
Just to prove I grew up in urban America,I at first thought this was a thread about getting robberies.

Ed Brzezowski

Re: Most Dangerous Road Crossing in Golf?
« Reply #46 on: January 20, 2012, 10:47:41 PM »
No mention of the 18th at Casa de Campo when the runway bisected the fairway?
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Russell Lo

Re: Most Dangerous Road Crossing in Golf?
« Reply #47 on: January 21, 2012, 03:08:29 AM »
Almost getting hit by a 250lb. man in electric neon biking down the road between #2 and #3 at the Valley Club in Montecito.

Would have been a terrible obituary. :'(

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