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Jeff_Lewis

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« Reply #75 on: January 17, 2012, 09:28:41 AM »
One of the aspects many of us love about the PGA tour is the meritocracy.  No guaranteed contracts.  Pay to enter every tournament. Succeed on the secondary tours to get a shot at the big tour.  So here's a guy who has struggled, worked his way through the system, is leading a tour event, and he has to get assaulted in an interview? Ask him about nerves as the leader of thtournament.  Ask him about the difference in play between Nationwide and PGA, but a ridiculous minor incident like this?  Shame on Kelly for battering this guy.

Sean_A

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« Reply #76 on: January 17, 2012, 09:33:59 AM »
I'm about 99% confident that endowed scholarships are in addition to the NCAA mandate of 4.5 out of the schools pocket.

Jim

Thats what I believe.  It doesn't seem to make much sense to take money from an endowment when the money doesn't have to be charged at all via an NCAA athletic scholarship.  Perhaps the endowment scholarships are given for good students who happen to be good at a particular sport.  It would be interesting know what the story is.  I see University of Michigan has two scholarships for men's golf - one which pays room & board and one which pays tuition.  

http://www.mgoblue.com/victorsclub/honor-roll-scholarships.html

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Bruce Wellmon

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« Reply #77 on: January 17, 2012, 10:26:19 AM »
Now we know whom to pair with Kid Rock in the pro am.
Or "Playing lessons with the pros."(sarcasm)
Remember how well Daly and Rock did in the Buick.

To quote several Rock songs;
"So ask no questions and I'll tell no lies
I got big ol' pupils and blood shot eyes"

"Stoned pimp, stoned brew, stoned out of my mind
I once was lost but now I'm just blind."


Rick Shefchik

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« Reply #78 on: January 17, 2012, 10:37:47 AM »
No problem with the question, in that alternative universe where she asks equally pointed questions to the stars of the tour.  By all means ask Every about this incident, if you're also going to ask Woods about fire hydrants, Phil M about gambling etc.  My problem is the unavoidable suspicion that Every gets special treatment because he's a nobody and they can, without risking losing a big attraction from the TV booth.

BINGO, Mark you hit it on the head.   Just be consistent. 

I wonder what the actual wording of the definition is of "conduct unbecoming of a PGA Tour player" in the players manual.  I wonder how it would be applied if the names and situations were switched between Woods (or Phil) and Every.  Neither were charged, both were just using "poor judgement" and hey, adultery (certainly 123 instances as often cited) is illegal in many states, just as smoking pot...as is gambling for $1000 a hole like Phil and his crew do in practice rounds without reporting winnings on taxes...  Somewhere in Ponte Vedre there is a different definition of "conduct unbecoming, blah blah" for Tour stars!  I just hate double standards.

This is the way journalism -- or, in this case, TV interviewing -- has worked since the beginning of time. Interviewers bring up (or, in this case, I have no doubt whatsoever, are told by their bosses to bring up) the topics that will attract the most attention from the audience. That is, unless they are interviewing a big catch like Arnie or Tiger who clearly will not cooperate in the future if you ask them something they don't want to talk about.

Each side has its rules. Every is not big enough yet to set his own rules.
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jeffwarne

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« Reply #79 on: January 17, 2012, 10:47:01 AM »
That was just an awful interview, and it had nothing to do with Every.  How is Tilghman still employed by Golf Channel?

Third, I was very impressed with Every's college story.  He received a scholarship to North Florida, but he decided instead to put it on the line and walk on to the Florida golf team.  Of course, he won several tournaments and was an All-American there.  

A University is allowed a very small number (4 1/2 for Division I schools) of scholarships, from which the coach can direct or dole out any way he sees fit. That comes out to a little over 1 full scholarship per class,

David

Does this include endowed scholarships?  

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Sean,

I do not know but common sense dictates that it would include "endowed" scholarships, such the one that Arnold Palmer founded at Wake Forest. Otherwise, what would prohibit a school from "buying" an unbelievably stacked team with the 4 1/2 scholarships + half dozen endowed ones, courtesty of some wealthy alums.

Ask Harvard how they compete nationally in a conference where "athletic" scholarships are forbidden.
If you get into harvard and your parents make $150,000 or less (rich in much of the nation -middle class in some areas) you pay no tuition.(athlete or not)
Plenty of kids nationwide that play pretty good basketball in the $150,000 and under demographic.
and no pesky scholarship rules to meet.

The entire college system is a joke, but don't get me started.
I do offer a bit of advice to those with young families-don't save a nickel for your kid's college. (put it in an IRA)
Because if you've done the prudent thing, you pay full price.
Blew your money on fancy cars, vacations, bling -no problem we've got money for your kid-poor grades and all.
« Last Edit: January 17, 2012, 10:51:04 AM by jeffwarne »
"Let's slow the damned greens down a bit, not take the character out of them." Tom Doak
"Take their focus off the grass and put it squarely on interesting golf." Don Mahaffey

Dan Kelly

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« Reply #80 on: January 17, 2012, 10:52:50 AM »
Ask Harvard how they compete nationally in a conference where "athletic" scholarships are forbidden.
If you get into harvard and your parents make $150,000 or less (rich in much of the nation -middle class in some areas) you pay no tuition.(athlete or not)

Correction:

From the Harvard Website: "All of our financial aid is awarded on the basis of demonstrated financial need – there are no academic, athletic or merit-based awards, and we meet the demonstrated need of every student, including international students, for all four years.  We invite you to explore our web site for a detailed description of all aspects of our aid program, including our Harvard Financial Aid Initiative for low and moderate income students, under which families with incomes currently below $60,000 are not expected to contribute to college costs.  Beginning in the fall of 2012, financial aid will be further expanded for low income students, when this income level will be increased to $65,000."
"There's no money in doing less." -- Joe Hancock, 11/25/2010
"Rankings are silly and subjective..." -- Tom Doak, 3/12/2016

jeffwarne

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« Reply #81 on: January 17, 2012, 11:10:52 AM »
Ask Harvard how they compete nationally in a conference where "athletic" scholarships are forbidden.
If you get into harvard and your parents make $150,000 or less (rich in much of the nation -middle class in some areas) you pay no tuition.(athlete or not)

Correction:

From the Harvard Website: "All of our financial aid is awarded on the basis of demonstrated financial need – there are no academic, athletic or merit-based awards, and we meet the demonstrated need of every student, including international students, for all four years.  We invite you to explore our web site for a detailed description of all aspects of our aid program, including our Harvard Financial Aid Initiative for low and moderate income students, under which families with incomes currently below $60,000 are not expected to contribute to college costs.  Beginning in the fall of 2012, financial aid will be further expanded for low income students, when this income level will be increased to $65,000."

Yes that is what it says.......

Let's agree to disagree on what actually happens or at least on how much actually gets paid as each package is private.

That said(speaking about student population in general), why should someone not be "expected to contribute" to their child's college costs?
Skin in the game would seem to be somewhat important ,though admitedly harvard is a poor example as anyone getting into harvard at least has some hard work invested as their "skin in the game".
a token amount 10%? would seem reasonable even if the college "loaned" them the money. (at least base the loan payments on future earnings of the kid?)
I tire of entitlements at every level, while recognize that there should be avenues for a generation to better itself.
My brother in law went to Medical school for free based on him practicing in a rural area for 7 years.
Never left.   
win win?
« Last Edit: January 17, 2012, 11:22:38 AM by jeffwarne »
"Let's slow the damned greens down a bit, not take the character out of them." Tom Doak
"Take their focus off the grass and put it squarely on interesting golf." Don Mahaffey

Jud_T

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« Reply #82 on: January 17, 2012, 11:25:44 AM »
Jeff,

When you have a $32BB endowment and are looking for diversity this is what you get.  I have more of an issue with the Affirmative Action approach to geographic admittance quotas than with them helping the kids pay for it personally.
Golf is a game. We play it. Somewhere along the way we took the fun out of it and charged a premium to be punished.- - Ron Sirak

jeffwarne

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« Reply #83 on: January 17, 2012, 11:39:17 AM »
Jeff,

When you have a $32BB endowment and are looking for diversity this is what you get.  I have more of an issue with the Affirmative Action approach to geographic admittance quotas than with them helping the kids pay for it personally.

If you're from Arkansas   ;) you certainly can get in any top northeast school
My daughter used to joke she was the most common (therefore least coveted) demographic  
                "blonde haired  girl from long island"
She did get into her first choice (after all somebody has to pay tuition)

Again, I'm all for help but someone paying NOTHING" is actually saving money over that child living at home and those of us who saved yearly for college and therefore considered rich are borrowing to finance that same education.
Let them feel the burden/responsibility of debt even if it's only a tiny fraction of the full price and even if it's merely contingent upon the future income of the graduate.
The worst thing is that the tuition price increases that go up disproportionately every year, are rarely contested because they only affect those(the minority) who pay full price. The rest are capped in their "expected contribution"
« Last Edit: January 17, 2012, 11:49:37 AM by jeffwarne »
"Let's slow the damned greens down a bit, not take the character out of them." Tom Doak
"Take their focus off the grass and put it squarely on interesting golf." Don Mahaffey

Paul Stephenson

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« Reply #84 on: January 17, 2012, 12:34:01 PM »
David,

Some schools do it that way. Others have a certain number of spots reserved for a certain number of players, then the rest play off.

At Ohio State in the 1970s, Coach Brown had no interest in walk-ons.  We had a couple guys in my group who could compete with the 4th player on down and could not even get a look.

At U. of Texas in the early 2000s, Coach Fields had no interest in walk-ons- the "qualifier" required blowing-off the first four days of school and getting to four different Austin area munis on your own, each location posted somewhere on campus the day before for tee times beginning at noon.  A student "qualified" if he shot par for four days from the tips.  No exceptions.  No qualifiers either.  Coach Fields would have no contact with the prospects, having repeated calls answered eventually by an assistant.  It was a fact that if the eight scholarship players were subjected to the same qualifier, one, perhaps two, would make the team.  The asst. commented something to the effect that they liked who they had on the team and that they lacked the facilities and time to take a chance on low-probability players.  

I believe Paul Davis was a walk-on at Ohio State in the 1970s.  He originally went to OSU on a hockey scholarship.