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John Kavanaugh

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How do you imagine golfers being transported in 600 years?
« on: January 06, 2012, 12:41:29 PM »
I think we still want to enjoy the time between shots so a I Dream of Jeanie blink is out of the question.  I'm seeing more of a situation where he have learned to harness gravity and we are able to walk and carry but in a much lighter fashion.  Touch walk at approximately 12 miles per hour between shots.

For those of us who prefer to sit between shots and carry much more than just our bags there should be carts without wheels and silent power sources that never touch the turf.  That is kind of old school so we might jazz it up with a Wonder Woman cloaking device.

What do you see 600 years from now and will it change the game?  On a lighter note, how will the ability to harness gravity change the game and/or where we play?  At least no more cart paths.

Tom_Doak

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Re: How do you imagine golfers being transported in 600 years?
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2012, 12:44:40 PM »
Real estate will be so expensive by then that golf will be a luxury few can afford.  But, heck, the way our grandkids are going, most of them will prefer virtual golf to the real thing.  And walking is REALLY easy in virtual golf!

Kalen Braley

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Re: How do you imagine golfers being transported in 600 years?
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2012, 12:49:11 PM »
Solar powered, self-sensing, 100% green and recyclable material, moving walkways.

They only move when people step on them.  They'll be made of "100 green materials" so your ball won't ricochet off them, and they'll be solar powered so they'll cost nothing to operate

John Kavanaugh

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Re: How do you imagine golfers being transported in 600 years?
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2012, 12:50:28 PM »
Real estate will be so expensive by then that golf will be a luxury few can afford.  But, heck, the way our grandkids are going, most of them will prefer virtual golf to the real thing.  And walking is REALLY easy in virtual golf!

The way real estate has been going I figured it would be cheaper.  Touch walking would also eliminate the need for bridges.  I would also use the obscure across the hazard red stake drop more often.

John Kavanaugh

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Re: How do you imagine golfers being transported in 600 years?
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2012, 12:54:37 PM »
Solar powered, self-sensing, 100% green and recyclable material, moving walkways.

They only move when people step on them.  They'll be made of "100 green materials" so your ball won't ricochet off them, and they'll be solar powered so they'll cost nothing to operate


Kalen,

This is 600 years from now.  Wow, I think you just went backwards.

JMEvensky

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Re: How do you imagine golfers being transported in 600 years?
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2012, 12:55:32 PM »
Won't astral projection render walking obsolete?

John Kavanaugh

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Re: How do you imagine golfers being transported in 600 years?
« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2012, 12:58:10 PM »
Won't astral projection render walking obsolete?


600 years ago that is what they said about the horse.

Peter Pallotta

Re: How do you imagine golfers being transported in 600 years?
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2012, 12:59:02 PM »
They'll be playing on the planet Zoltar, actually on the entire planet, which will be one huge golf course, and with the gravitational forces being less pronounced and the need to carry only one club (i.e. TaylorMade's magic club, that shape-shifts into any club required), walking will be a snap and all the rage again, just like it was in Scotland.  They'll still be wearing dorky clothes and having dorky conversations, but since natural methods of pro-creation will have been abandoned and made unnecessary, the fellas won't be worrying what the ladies think of them.

Peter  

John Kavanaugh

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Re: How do you imagine golfers being transported in 600 years?
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2012, 01:02:57 PM »
Hard to believe that the first golf cart was invented only 250 years ago.  Golf will always need to be near work and taverns.  I don't see it limited to pleasure planets.

Eric Smith

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Re: How do you imagine golfers being transported in 600 years?
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2012, 01:08:35 PM »
They'll be playing on the planet Zoltar, actually on the entire planet, which will be one huge golf course, and with the gravitational forces being less pronounced and the need to carry only one club (i.e. TaylorMade's magic club, that shape-shifts into any club required), walking will be a snap and all the rage again, just like it was in Scotland.  They'll still be wearing dorky clothes and having dorky conversations, but since natural methods of pro-creation will have been abandoned and made unnecessary, the fellas won't be worrying what the ladies think of them.

Peter  

Zoltar is too remote to make an effective demonstration.

Peter Pallotta

Re: How do you imagine golfers being transported in 600 years?
« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2012, 01:29:22 PM »
Did I say Zoltar?  I meant Alpha Centuri 5.  They have a bar there that plays modern jazz, backwards.  It also sells cigars from Cuba!

Sorry for the typo, thanks for picking that up Eric. 

jeffwarne

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Re: How do you imagine golfers being transported in 600 years?
« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2012, 01:33:48 PM »
Bandon will stretch from Seattle to San Francisco, eliminating the need for the pesky flight into North Bend.

They'll have a wondeful inner city caddie program.
"Let's slow the damned greens down a bit, not take the character out of them." Tom Doak
"Take their focus off the grass and put it squarely on interesting golf." Don Mahaffey

John Kavanaugh

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Re: How do you imagine golfers being transported in 600 years?
« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2012, 01:34:46 PM »
Bandon will stretch from Seattle to San Francisco, eliminating the need for the pesky flight into North Bend.

They'll have a wondeful inner city caddie program.

How do you get to the island?

jeffwarne

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Re: How do you imagine golfers being transported in 600 years?
« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2012, 01:37:02 PM »
Bandon will stretch from Seattle to San Francisco, eliminating the need for the pesky flight into North Bend.

They'll have a wondeful inner city caddie program.

How do you get to the island?


After Doak's public bridge proclamation, he will get enough positive pr and business to build it pro bono, but will still be accused of favoritism on this site
"Let's slow the damned greens down a bit, not take the character out of them." Tom Doak
"Take their focus off the grass and put it squarely on interesting golf." Don Mahaffey

Ross Tuddenham

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Re: How do you imagine golfers being transported in 600 years?
« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2012, 01:51:26 PM »
Blown in a warm wind as dust particles.  Some sort of global warming catastrophe will have long since wiped us out.

PCCraig

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Re: How do you imagine golfers being transported in 600 years?
« Reply #15 on: January 06, 2012, 02:08:38 PM »
The way the Earth's population is growing I think figuring out how to get around a golf course will be the least of our worries.

But I wonder which of Old Tom's great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great Grandson will be trolling the internet in a vendetta against carts.
H.P.S.

Melvyn Morrow

Re: How do you imagine golfers being transported in 600 years?
« Reply #16 on: January 06, 2012, 03:14:33 PM »
Pat

Have you forgotten Ran & Bens message already, attached a copy for your info, but note that you have already acknowledged it.


GolfClubAtlas.com is in the middle of its thirteenth season. Yes, that puts us behind the Queen as she approaches her Diamond Jubilee and the Simpsons as they head into their 23rd season but we are indeed starting to build history of our own, all the while continuing to ‘promote the frank discussion of golf course architecture.’

The number of kind emails, instant messages of support, impromptu gatherings with visitors to Pinehurst and voluntary donations set records this year. Certainly, the camaraderie displayed at GolfClubAtlas events like the Buda Cup remains as strong as ever with many friendships continuing to develop and flourish around the world. Requests from people to join the Discussion Group melee is constant with four or five new members added each week.

Ironically, the number of cat fights and hair-pulling contests also seems to be at a high, which is both flattering and problematic. Flattering in that people care so much to take the time to go berserk. Problematic in that good people are being chased away by boorish behavior. James Frank’s review in the Met Golfer this past winter said that GolfClubAtlas.com was a ‘noble idea now run by the inmates.’  Ouch – that hurt! Throughout the last several years numerous people have called for posting guidelines. These might be so obvious as to be unnecessary but here are four:

1) Before typing, decide if you are adding to the study of golf course architecture. If not, pause until you are, as this is a golf architecture web site. Sexy here are things like Little Aston, De Pan and Yeamans Hall.

2) While typing, take the time to explain fully the point or points that you intend to make. It is hard to imagine how blurting out incomplete sentences adds much value, either to your life or to those who have to wade past the morass to find the good stuff.

3) Before hitting the Post button consider the tone of your post. Does it encourage others to participate or is its purpose to prove that you are the World’s Smartest Man (the title of World’s Most Interesting Man is already taken)? If you are discussing a subject matter you are likely fine. If you are addressing the perceived ignorance of another human being then you are likely less fine.

4) Before typing your twelfth post of the thread and RESORTING TO ALL CAPS TO DEMONSTRATE YOUR RIGHTEOUSNESS AND THAT YOU MEAN BUSINESS, think of your loved ones and consider why you are embarrassing them by starting to rant like a lunatic in a widely read forum.

Everyone can be a critic – that is easy. Being accurate and offering insight are the real challenges. Some people post with a certitude that defies logic and constrains real debate. It is like stating that the best rock & roll band of all time is the Rolling Stones, that the best motivational speaker of recent times is Chris Gardner, that the year’s best movie is Of Gods and Men and the best book is our own Peter Mallalieu’s “The Artists of the Alpine Club”. Though correct across the board  , others might put forth the Beatles, Billy Graham, Barney’s Version, and Cocktail Hour Under the Tree of Forgetfulness . Misguided opinions like these shouldn’t be scorned and ridiculed, only pitied  . Just kidding! So it goes with posting. Tolerance enables a greater exchange of ideas; which means that more information will be uncovered and disseminated. Meaningful discourse is at the heart of a successful discussion group. Of course, some posters may not care much about anything other than themselves and having a good time. They think they have a right to post here and they could care less in participating in a bigger purpose/picture other than their petty snide remarks. Though few, such folks should either alter their behavior or delete their account (or instant message me to do so).

Both content and tone matter. As an example, Mike Tanier profiles the NFL match-ups for the NY Times every Sunday. Two and three years ago, I thought that he offered some of the best writing on any subject. He was amazingly insightful and coupled hard facts with a blistering wit. As a guesstimate, I would say his game analyses were 80% info and 20% biting commentary. However, this year that ratio seems to have flipped and he appears more focused on being funny than providing useful information. Personally, I find him less funny and insightful but others might prefer today’s writing style. That’s an individual preference but the point is more how someone’s writing changes with time – and not necessarily for the better.

I use this example as part of the rub with GolfClubAtlas.com as it ripens with age. Long-time posters can fall into a trap of making lazy posts that are devoid of meaningful content. Since GolfClubAtlas began we have all become a dozen years older. Some of us are grumpier, some are wiser, some travel less, some travel more. Some are more set in their ways; others are more open to learning. Regardless, frequent posters (defined as those who average posting more than once daily year after year) dictate the tone and should zealously guard the content of the web site. Unfortunately, this is not the case. People become addicted to posting for the sake of posting and the quality of the content deteriorates. Additionally, a poor example is set for those who lurk and then post. The character of the Discussion Group deteriorates into an unctuous ramble and its allure is tarnished. Just like we did last year, some fifteen to twenty pages of meaningless and off-topic threads will be deleted in the month of January as we want the wealth of information found in the Discussion Group to be as tight and user friendly as possible.

Certainly, GolfClubAtlas.com must evolve and we are always looking at how technology can be best used. For instance, a feature exists whereby if you start a thread, you can ban a person from posting within it. Would that help in our case? Maybe/maybe not. There are certain pairs of people who just can’t seem to get along. Frequently, I know both and, individually, each is a fine person with something to offer. Put them together and disaster ensues. Maybe technology can help us head off such situations. Elsewhere within the site, streaming video certainly has a roll to play too. We started using a thing called SEOs  this year. Though we have always featured highly in Google searches for ‘golf course architecture,’ we were bizarrely on the second page for Bing. That has now changed. As our reach expands, so too must our conduct. We are already a niche subject and we are going to perhaps become even more niche because manners will matter here more so than ever, something that is frequently lacking elsewhere on the world wide web.

Mistakes have been made in running this web site. As there is no manual on how to grow a site error free, future mistakes will likely occur as well. Nonetheless, we trudge on, head down into the wind, doing the best we can. Thankfully, Ben and I received more assistance this year than ever with the majority of the heavy lifting done by Chris Buie and Joe Andriole. Chris assembled much of what was put on GolfClubAtlas.com and did a superb job of finding so many fine vignettes to put on the GolfClubAtlas.com Facebook page. His Halloween feature was truly the spookiest  photo I have seen in recent times. Joe vetted each and every course profile. I am convinced that ‘Why use twenty words when nineteen shall suffice’ is somewhere on his family’s coat of arms! Going forward more people will participate into the operation of GolfClubAtlas.com as we continue to expand and strive to offer the best experience possible.

If you heard the Queen’s Christmas Address this year, you heard a message of caring and of family and community. Her message particularly resonated with me during these hard economic times and it also made me think of us. We are all brought together here with the common bond of an appreciation in golf course architecture and for caring how man interacts with nature. We can accomplish more together than apart. We want the website to represent us and our stated goals and adhere to the highest standards. Set in a commercial free environment the core of GolfClubAtlas.com - lively interchanges with people/friends around the world, course profiles, Feature Interviews, In My Opinion pieces - will remain unchanged. Will someone step up in 2012 and profile hidden gems as thoroughly as Sean Arble did with Pennard and Burnham & Berrow or like David Stewart with his profile of the Kampen Course at Purdue? Maybe a monster piece like Kevin Mendik’s Dick Wilson treatise will appear. Let’s all hope! Chris Buie is presently finishing up an article on Pinehurst No.1 which we will post in January. Pictorials like the recent ones of Royal Ashdown Forest, Seacroft and Elie in the Discussion Group add much and are certainly encouraged. Next year the Feature Interview section gets off to a rousing start with a formerMarine in San Francisco, followed by a woman in NYC and then heads to the UK for March’s dialogue which will be rolled out in two parts during that month. Further out in the year, our own George Bahto will (happily and finally!) release his much anticipated follow-on Seth Raynor book. If all of us pitch in, the community that is GolfClubAtlas.com will continue to be the number one source for golf course architecture in the world. That is a true privilege and honor that we should all take pride in.

Fortunately, the janissary of GolfClubAtlas.com continue to support and care for it deeply. Why? Because they love golf and golf course architecture and they believe that good things emanate from this web site. As proof, I have hundreds of emails from club board members expressing their gratitude for this commercial-free resource as well as from people who have formed lasting friendships as a result of this site. Hopefully we can continue that tradition as we charge into 2012.

Happy holidays and thanks to everyone for making GolfClubAtlas.com a unique place to visit and spend time.

Cheers,

Ran & Ben
 





Scott Stearns

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Re: How do you imagine golfers being transported in 600 years?
« Reply #17 on: January 06, 2012, 09:24:26 PM »
Ever notice how people on the Jetsons fly around in saucers, but to call each other they go into a booth? 

Stuart Goldstein

Re: How do you imagine golfers being transported in 600 years?
« Reply #18 on: January 06, 2012, 09:42:56 PM »
The way equipment is going these days, par 3's will be 500 yards so it will be a long good walk spoiled.

John Kavanaugh

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Re: How do you imagine golfers being transported in 600 years?
« Reply #19 on: January 06, 2012, 09:51:14 PM »
The way equipment is going these days, par 3's will be 500 yards so it will be a long good walk spoiled.

I doubt that. People want to see their ball land.  I don't think the game will be any more different 600 years from now than it is from 600 years ago.

Steve Lang

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Re: How do you imagine golfers being transported in 600 years?
« Reply #20 on: January 06, 2012, 10:15:32 PM »
 8) JK,

Mel really PO'd you didn't he?  

Human nature being what it is, I suspect that the old boys of past centuries would have readily seen the clear advantage to powered carts and developing more resiliiant grasses and hiding paths, let alone digging larger traps and moving earth..

in 600 years, it will still be a terrestial thing, on par with hurling today, play speeded moderately by really neat air tiger gravity shoes, but i think more folks will have their own home-made small private retreat courses that can be transformed into replica courses or anything they can think of and model, made possible by state-of-the-art integrated design/construction technology.

or I suspect the answer is 42.  
Inverness (Toledo, OH) cathedral clock inscription: "God measures men by what they are. Not what they in wealth possess.  That vibrant message chimes afar.
The voice of Inverness"

Melvyn Morrow

Re: How do you imagine golfers being transported in 600 years?
« Reply #21 on: January 07, 2012, 01:04:35 AM »

Problem with John is that he can’t equate with 600 years of history – he may make it to the mid 1700 but it all becomes a blur after that. However, my family have been playing golf on TOC back to at least 1720, oh yes and also in the golf industry making balls.

Also he does not like the Scots, because he cannot get his brain around our justice system believing that true justice can only be measured out at Guantanamo Bay detention camp. But he has a right to his opinion.

Melvyn

Mike_Trenham

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Re: How do you imagine golfers being transported in 600 years?
« Reply #22 on: January 07, 2012, 05:13:10 AM »
Probably in Footjoys made on some third world planet.
Proud member of a Doak 3.

Duncan Cheslett

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Re: How do you imagine golfers being transported in 600 years?
« Reply #23 on: January 07, 2012, 06:52:08 AM »
  But, heck, the way our grandkids are going, most of them will prefer virtual golf to the real thing.  And walking is REALLY easy in virtual golf!


A young guy who does some work for me always derided golf as an 'old man's game'. He recently returned from 6 months travelling in east Asia enthused by his new-found interest in 'screen golf', which apparantly is now all the rage in bars over there. He seems to have spent an awful lot of time playing it.

I suggested that he came out for a round of the real thing with me. He was horrified!

Why spend 4 hours trudging round a muddy field when you can play golf indoors with a beer in your hand?


JeffTodd

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Re: How do you imagine golfers being transported in 600 years?
« Reply #24 on: January 08, 2012, 10:30:27 PM »
Having recently re-watched 2001 A Space Odyssey I was struck with how disappointing the "future" is in reality when compared with the visions of those in the past.

I'll wager that we'll be riding in carts made of super lightweight materials, with wide wheels that evenly disperse the weight, making cart paths obsolete. 600 years is a long time, but I suspect that we'll still be a slave to gravity riding on round things that spin.

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